Surely, it should be a priority to extend our border northwards through Italy. I'll agree to let the Papal State keep Roma for the grace of God, but I'm certain His protection doesn't extend to the rich and arrogant of the north? What say you, brothers?

Fruscainte

4596 Posts

November 14 2011 16:29 GMT

#63

By the way, in case some of you don't know -- Galley's and other medium ships get HUGE bonus' in the Mediterranean. Like, to the level where a Galley navy can take on a Carrack navy no problem, whilst also being faster.

nttea

Sweden4353 Posts

November 14 2011 17:14 GMT

#64

On November 14 2011 23:21 Fruscainte wrote:
I think it's rather dangerous to be heading to the Middle East right now. Too many things that can just fuck us up. Namely the Timurds, Mamaluks, etc.

the mameluks are pretty much done for, they were in civil war for my entire turn, and with aragon+us and threats from other muslim nations i see no way they could stabilize and pose a serious threat, the worst the timurids could do is push us back out of jerusalem, bad but not really a disaster.

Fruscainte

4596 Posts

November 14 2011 17:20 GMT

#65

On November 15 2011 02:14 nttea wrote:

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I just think that, logically, Italy should be fought over right now rather than the extremely shitty and poor Middle East. I mean, if you capture Rome you get 100% Papacy relations for like, the entire game no matter what I believe.

nttea

Sweden4353 Posts

November 14 2011 17:24 GMT

#66

On November 15 2011 02:20 Fruscainte wrote:

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well northern italy belongs in the HRE, it's a fucking mess occupying HRE territory so unless we get core missions i don't see the point. Also the papal state is already our ally and i didn't think walking over them without CB and taking a massive infamy hit was that great an idea so i took the best opportunity i could find, the conquest of jerusalem bonus is pretty damn great; +0,50 missionary (allows for a greater innovativeness without losing ability to convert) and +1% prestige/year.

Monsen

Germany2548 Posts

November 14 2011 17:27 GMT

#67

Would have been even sicker with the conquer jerusalem mission though.

Good job so far guys

Simberto

Germany12088 Posts

November 14 2011 18:40 GMT

#68

It's not that hard dealing with HRE territory, just remove it from the empire as soon as you gain it. However, we don't really necessarily need to become Italy. There are many viable things to do now, so lets see what Psycho_Gemni comes up with. For example, there is also still that juicy core in Athens which is not yet reclaimed.

turdburgler

England6749 Posts

November 14 2011 19:09 GMT

#69

On November 15 2011 03:40 Simberto wrote:
It's not that hard dealing with HRE territory, just remove it from the empire as soon as you gain it. However, we don't really necessarily need to become Italy. There are many viable things to do now, so lets see what Psycho_Gemni comes up with. For example, there is also still that juicy core in Athens which is not yet reclaimed.

i have convulsive spasms whenever i have unclaimed territory hurting my prestige, its like i neeeeed to capture it or i cant play on.

On November 15 2011 02:20 Fruscainte wrote:

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some of the middle east is just fine, and depending on the trade situation all territory can be good.

Simberto

Germany12088 Posts

November 14 2011 19:17 GMT

#70

Well, after the next 20 years that should be dealt with one way or the other. Greece is not italian culture, so the core will disappear if it is not claimed.

Capresis

United States518 Posts

November 15 2011 06:48 GMT

#71

Holy crap, I am way too slow. How about I just hand it off where I'm at so we can keep this going? I'm 11 years into my turn. Also I'm too cowardly to accomplish anything anyway, lol.

turdburgler

England6749 Posts

November 15 2011 06:55 GMT

#72

save it now, go ranbo for 9 years, look at the 2 situations, if we are worse off just try again :D

Simberto

Germany12088 Posts

November 15 2011 07:14 GMT

#73

Pfff, don't worry, just play. Even if you don't expand there are a lot of things you could accomplish, like getting rid of that inflation nttea has accumulated, getting our trade running, expanding our fleet and so on. I think techwise you should maybe even be able to steal the azores before portugal has them to get colonisation running if that is what you want. Also, don't let your fears get the better of you, combined with Aragon we should still rule the mediterranean sea, so a war can not really be THAT devastating since noone can reach our homeland. Especially if you avoid getting italian stuff into it, yo Naples is safe, too.

And in my opinion, you don't really have to finish as fast as the first two have. Take your time. I said in the OP something about 3 days, and still think that is a reasonable amount of time. So just play for another day, look how far you can get and what you can accomplish.

Robinsa

Japan1333 Posts

November 15 2011 14:36 GMT

#74

Ok! Ive decided that I have enough time now! Put me in the list of players and Ill see what I can do!

P.s. We really really need to grab northen italy if we want to create an empire.

Zaphod Beeblebrox

Denmark697 Posts

November 15 2011 14:46 GMT

#75

If the mameluks are weak, maybe you should go for northern Egypt. The provinces there are quite valuable, especially Alexandria. You have to hurry though, as Castille, the Ottomans and the Timurids loves steamrolling the mameluks when they are down

Simberto

Germany12088 Posts

November 15 2011 14:51 GMT

#76

I don't think one should listen to Zaphod Beeblebrox when talking about statesmanship. He has a known history of just ignoring all presidential duties, stealing a ship and running off to some remote place.

Also, Northern africa has the disadvantage of being wrong culture group, wrong religion, and distant overseas.

beef42

Denmark1037 Posts

November 15 2011 15:59 GMT

#77

Since I got this post here already I should use it.

I'm pretty sure it was established in the mother thread that if a province is less than 250 units from the capital it can never be distant overseas.

Our strategic position in the Mediterranean can surely facilitate rapid expansion in heathen North Africa, God willing.

Simberto

Germany12088 Posts

November 15 2011 20:11 GMT

#78

No, that was never established. There is some amount of range, but it is very low. Definitively less than 250, from my tests it is about 2-3 provinces far, so maybe a range of 50 at most. In our case for example all of the holy land is already distant overseas. I would not even be surprised if nothing in africa is in range. Maybe something like Tunis or Tripolitania is in range, but nothing further away.

However, if we manage to control all of the mediterranean shore at one point, that is no longer a problem, since in that case we have a land connection to north africa.

Silvanel

Poland4769 Posts

November 15 2011 20:39 GMT

#79

Well when i played my Portugal game Tangiers was a normal province for me, but any other African province was distant overseas. Concluding, no way that Egyptian provinces will be of any us to us in close future.