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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8927 Posts
August 05 2016 06:52 GMT
#25781
law rearranges and dismantles shit. he doesnt 'take something' from them and put it into something else.
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
August 05 2016 09:52 GMT
#25782
On August 05 2016 15:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:
law rearranges and dismantles shit. he doesnt 'take something' from them and put it into something else.

ah right lets just completely ignore the first 60% of the caesar arc where law switched "souls" of nami and sanji, smoker and tashigi etc by switching their "hearts". not similar.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
August 05 2016 12:43 GMT
#25783
On August 05 2016 18:52 Warri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2016 15:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:
law rearranges and dismantles shit. he doesnt 'take something' from them and put it into something else.

ah right lets just completely ignore the first 60% of the caesar arc where law switched "souls" of nami and sanji, smoker and tashigi etc by switching their "hearts". not similar.

There are some similarities but it's more of a minor part of his fruit whereas Morias and Big Moms fruits major focus is the creation of minions (so far at least).
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
August 05 2016 18:32 GMT
#25784
big mom's fruit looks like a passive one, i wonder how it can be used in a actual fight
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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6667 Posts
August 05 2016 18:59 GMT
#25785
On August 06 2016 03:32 Makro wrote:
big mom's fruit looks like a passive one, i wonder how it can be used in a actual fight

Well she straight up grabbed her one sons entire life span in a single swipe iirc, so I imagine it can be pretty brutal to fight against.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-05 20:15:21
August 05 2016 20:15 GMT
#25786
On August 05 2016 13:55 Forikorder wrote:
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On August 05 2016 13:08 Sentenal wrote:
There are some pretty clear, obvious parallels between Big Mom's ability and Moria's, I dunno how anyone can dispute that. Oda even added the line there "Just to be clear, you can't put the souls into corpses or into someone else's body!" just to try and point out how its different, so not to seem completely the same.

if big mom and morias abilities are similar then youd have to say the same for laws since he can take something from someone and implant it into something else too

Sure, Law's shares some similarities too. I don't see what that has to do with anything at all, but whatever.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 06 2016 05:14 GMT
#25787
On August 05 2016 21:43 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2016 18:52 Warri wrote:
On August 05 2016 15:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:
law rearranges and dismantles shit. he doesnt 'take something' from them and put it into something else.

ah right lets just completely ignore the first 60% of the caesar arc where law switched "souls" of nami and sanji, smoker and tashigi etc by switching their "hearts". not similar.

There are some similarities but it's more of a minor part of his fruit whereas Morias and Big Moms fruits major focus is the creation of minions (so far at least).

Moria being able to move shadows is a minor part, the main part of his fruit is manipulating his own shadow, moving shadows into other people/corpses is one of those advanced tricks and honestly has limited use considering how vulnerable the original body becomes, they had to go through alot of hoops at thriller bark to make it work

also we know basically nothing about Big Moms fruit, im willing to bet theres alot more to it then just being able to take soul and sprinkle it around
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
August 06 2016 05:23 GMT
#25788
I almost hope Big Mom's fruit really is as simple as we know, would be awesome to see her just fight and rip people's full life spans out, just one shotting errybody.

If Kaido was so big on death removing his entire life span seems like an easy solution. I mean the ability seems like an instant-KO if it touches you, so whats stopping it?

Does haki stop it? (Im putting money on this, at least to some extent)

It'll probably have a ton of neat tricks to it though, like maybe her lifespan is just gargantuan and she can use her own soul-bits to like, make the ground beneath her come to life to her advantage and she basically just makes the entire area shes fighting in her own personal fighting terrain? Even that seems entry level, could be a lot of weird neat stuff the Soul Soul Fruit could be capable of.

I also look forward to seeing if Brooke is either hard-countered by, or hard-counters this particular fruit.
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ShurykaN
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States338 Posts
August 06 2016 05:57 GMT
#25789
On August 06 2016 14:23 Zambrah wrote:
Does haki stop it? (Im putting money on this, at least to some extent)

Haki is godmode counter to everything \o/
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-06 06:05:36
August 06 2016 06:00 GMT
#25790
Well Vergo's head disagrees. As far as we know you can't infuse haki to DF powers unless the DF power is just your body. For example no haki logia projectiles, haki love arrows or even haki string. Well at least we haven't seen it. Strong projectile users can infuse haki to objects that have left their touch though like Amazon warriors and presumably Benn Beckman.
ShurykaN
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States338 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-06 06:07:22
August 06 2016 06:04 GMT
#25791
maybe vergo didn't have enough haki

oh I figured it out!! One piece ability tier list is sword>haki>devil fruit which is why buggy is the strongest df user because his df can ignore haki and swords
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
August 06 2016 06:23 GMT
#25792
On August 06 2016 14:57 ShurykaN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2016 14:23 Zambrah wrote:
Does haki stop it? (Im putting money on this, at least to some extent)

Haki is godmode counter to everything \o/


Kind of yeah.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 06 2016 07:13 GMT
#25793
The effects of armament haki on devil fruits isn't that hard to understand. Its effects are pretty clear from everything we've seen (though I'm pretty sure people will disagree with me on this engendering another endless debate).

First of all, it doesn't work like seastone. Seastone when in contact with a devil fruit user will both prevent the devil fruit user from using their powers and also cause them to weaken. Armament haki doesn't do that. Armament haki (on top of its normal durability and strength enhancing abilities) protects the coated area from the influence of devil fruit powers. We see that most commonly when people use armament haki to hit a logia devil fruit user's real body with the haki-coated limb or weapon, but we've also seen it used against a variety of powers. Off the top of my head Sentomaru used it to hurt Luffy despite his rubber body (no, that doesn't mean that a reject dial, Lucci's Rokuogan, or Fishman karate is also haki. Shut up Forikorder), the three admirals used it to protect the execution scaffolds from Whitebeard's earthquake attack, Vergo used it to prevent Law's Room from messing with his body.

Haki isn't exactly a silver bullet though. As a devil fruit user there are ways to protect yourself from it. For example Aokiji defended himself against Whitebeard's Bisento and stated that defending against Haki users was tiresome. It isn't exactly clear what he did, but two possibilities come to mind. He either used observation haki to pre-split around the bisento in a way that he doesn't touch the haki, or he used his own armament haki to block Whitebeard's haki. It isn't perfect though since Akainu does get damaged by a few hits from Whitebeard later. The fight between Law and Vergo is another good example of how to fight against an opponent who is good at armament haki. Law provokes Vergo into spreading haki through his entire body to cut him in half when the haki is thinner.

As for Big Mom you can presumably protect yourself from her stealing your lifespan using haki, but if your haki is too weak you might still lose some. It would be pretty typical for Luffy to lose another ten years of his life while fighting Big Mom.
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2057 Posts
August 06 2016 12:27 GMT
#25794
I wonder how old Big Mom is if she can steal others' lifespans and add them to her own. She's practically immortal now, meaning that she can't die of old age.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 06 2016 14:12 GMT
#25795
or he used his own armament haki to block Whitebeard's haki.


im fairly confident its this one, in gear 4 Luffy covered himself in a large concentratin of Haki and when Doflamingo went to kick him he was immune since hes rubber so seems like if you use equal or greater Haki it negates your opponents haki
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6667 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-06 15:06:34
August 06 2016 15:01 GMT
#25796
On August 06 2016 23:12 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
or he used his own armament haki to block Whitebeard's haki.


im fairly confident its this one, in gear 4 Luffy covered himself in a large concentratin of Haki and when Doflamingo went to kick him he was immune since hes rubber so seems like if you use equal or greater Haki it negates your opponents haki

IIRC Dofla was super surprised by it being both armament haki and still rubbery though and that it's not normal. I was under the impression that it was something special about gear 4th that made his body both haki covered and still rubbery.

Could be very wrong but that is how I interpreted that exchange.

Also how funny would it be if Brook just straight hard countered big mom and beat her 1v1 xD Would never actually happen, I just think it would be hilarious. All that hype and Brook ends up just owning her because she can't grab his soul.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 06 2016 15:25 GMT
#25797
On August 07 2016 00:01 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Also how funny would it be if Brook just straight hard countered big mom and beat her 1v1 xD Would never actually happen, I just think it would be hilarious. All that hype and Brook ends up just owning her because she can't grab his soul.

This is definitely going to happen though if Strawhats end up fighting her. I don't think they have much chance in a straight up head on fight, but it's been a theme in One Piece of "abusing" certain fruits (Luffy vs Enel being the first case of 1-sided hilarity)
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12815 Posts
August 08 2016 01:30 GMT
#25798
Come to think of it brook just have to ghost in to read the glyph and transcribe it's entirety as accurately as possible without having to steal the actual stone...
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 08 2016 05:53 GMT
#25799
On August 08 2016 10:30 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Come to think of it brook just have to ghost in to read the glyph and transcribe it's entirety as accurately as possible without having to steal the actual stone...


that would be risky, whatever he copies it down on would obviously be way more fragile then the poneglyph itself, its an incredibly important clue to get to raftel a small mistake could completely change the meaning plus considering how informed Big Mom is it might be easier even to quickly break in, snag it and run then spend a long time in one place writing down everything written on it
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-10 00:48:05
August 10 2016 00:39 GMT
#25800
"run then spend a long time in one place writing down everything written on it" I agree. Best plan
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