On May 27 2014 15:19 Sterlymobile wrote: Why did Hannibal keep Abigail alive all this time? Did he feel some sort of father figure to her?
Yes, he identifies Abigail with his dead sister Mischa. But more importantly he understood how important she was to Will.
On May 27 2014 20:18 BurningSera wrote: Interesting. Please talk about that.
Now the love connection between hannibal and will looks stronger after reading your post lol.
Hannibal is under the impression that they share the highest level of philia (Fuller includes a fair bit of queer baiting but their relationship is not sexual at all) although it's a relationship that necessities his...um, direct involvement. Throughout the series Hannibal's idea of true friendship is to spur people to be their best selves. His conception of "best self" is a twisted version of his obligation as a psychiatrist: to help people recognize and embrace their true nature. In his conceited fashion he pushes people to act upon their darkest aspects, fancying himself as possessing the same prerogatives as God. Hannibal sees no problem in manipulating others to commit horrible acts if said acts are internally motivated. He never lies to get his way except if it would directly harm him.
To Hannibal, Will was the closest thing to he will ever have to a true friend. Will could both see Hannibal as his true self and accept him: unlike Randall, he would never be a puppet or a slave to Hannibal's manipulation. Hannibal wants to mold Will into something similar to himself (obviously the good doctor thinks he is a superior version of man) but he equally admires other traits such as his responsibility he feels towards Abigail. So he goes out of his way to "reverse the teacup" and set up a scenario where Will would have everything he theoretically wants: a friend who intimately understands and accepts him and a substitute daughter bonded through shared experience (although terrible) and mutual need. A family with no secrets and no need to keep them. As it turns out it's Hannibal's projection all along.
On May 27 2014 23:54 stuchiu wrote: Hannibal did compare them to Achilles and Patrocles. Patrocles put on Achilles armor to save the Greeks, Will "becomes" the murderer Hannibal wanted so he can stop Hannibal. Achilles quit the war in a fit of petty rage as his prize was stolen. Hannibal recreates the murder scene of Abigails Hobbs and her father in a fit of petty rage to hurt Will. It is the strongest thing he can do as that murder scene is what made them friends. When it is reenacted again at the end of season 1, it gives both of them the clarity to see and understand each other. And now Hannibal uses it to sever all ties with Will. At least that was the impression I got.
I would say the better comparison is Hannibal sacrificing his old life to Achilles' death wish after Patrocles dies.
What on earth was that episode. Can't say I saw Abigail being alive, so that was certainly a shock. And by my beard, Mads and Hugh put on an incredible performance. Only shame is now we have to wait for season 3.
On May 27 2014 20:18 BurningSera wrote: Interesting. Please talk about that.
Now the love connection between hannibal and will looks stronger after reading your post lol.
Hannibal is under the impression that they share the highest level of philia (Fuller includes a fair bit of queer baiting but their relationship is not sexual at all) although it's a relationship that necessities his...um, direct involvement. Throughout the series Hannibal's idea of true friendship is to spur people to be their best selves. His conception of "best self" is a twisted version of his obligation as a psychiatrist: to help people recognize and embrace their true nature. In his conceited fashion he pushes people to act upon their darkest aspects, fancying himself as possessing the same prerogatives as God. Hannibal sees no problem in manipulating others to commit horrible acts if said acts are internally motivated. He never lies to get his way except if it would directly harm him.
To Hannibal, Will was the closest thing to he will ever have to a true friend. Will could both see Hannibal as his true self and accept him: unlike Randall, he would never be a puppet or a slave to Hannibal's manipulation. Hannibal wants to mold Will into something similar to himself (obviously the good doctor thinks he is a superior version of man) but he equally admires other traits such as his responsibility he feels towards Abigail. So he goes out of his way to "reverse the teacup" and set up a scenario where Will would have everything he theoretically wants: a friend who intimately understands and accepts him and a substitute daughter bonded through shared experience (although terrible) and mutual need. A family with no secrets and no need to keep them. As it turns out it's Hannibal's projection all along.
On May 27 2014 23:54 stuchiu wrote: Hannibal did compare them to Achilles and Patrocles. Patrocles put on Achilles armor to save the Greeks, Will "becomes" the murderer Hannibal wanted so he can stop Hannibal. Achilles quit the war in a fit of petty rage as his prize was stolen. Hannibal recreates the murder scene of Abigails Hobbs and her father in a fit of petty rage to hurt Will. It is the strongest thing he can do as that murder scene is what made them friends. When it is reenacted again at the end of season 1, it gives both of them the clarity to see and understand each other. And now Hannibal uses it to sever all ties with Will. At least that was the impression I got.
I would say the better comparison is Hannibal sacrificing his old life to Achilles' death wish after Patrocles dies.
I just started watching this show, so for no spoilers, I didn't read the thread yet, but damn. This is pure genius.
I chain-watched the first five eps, and took a break even though I wanted to keep going. It's great, but it's also kind of heavy on the mind, I can't explain it. In any case, I absolutely love it. Will watch it all very quickly.
On May 27 2014 15:19 Sterlymobile wrote: Why did Hannibal keep Abigail alive all this time? Did he feel some sort of father figure to her?
Yes, he identifies Abigail with his dead sister Mischa. But more importantly he understood how important she was to Will.
On May 27 2014 20:18 BurningSera wrote: Interesting. Please talk about that.
Now the love connection between hannibal and will looks stronger after reading your post lol.
Hannibal is under the impression that they share the highest level of philia (Fuller includes a fair bit of queer baiting but their relationship is not sexual at all) although it's a relationship that necessities his...um, direct involvement. Throughout the series Hannibal's idea of true friendship is to spur people to be their best selves. His conception of "best self" is a twisted version of his obligation as a psychiatrist: to help people recognize and embrace their true nature. In his conceited fashion he pushes people to act upon their darkest aspects, fancying himself as possessing the same prerogatives as God. Hannibal sees no problem in manipulating others to commit horrible acts if said acts are internally motivated. He never lies to get his way except if it would directly harm him.
To Hannibal, Will was the closest thing to he will ever have to a true friend. Will could both see Hannibal as his true self and accept him: unlike Randall, he would never be a puppet or a slave to Hannibal's manipulation. Hannibal wants to mold Will into something similar to himself (obviously the good doctor thinks he is a superior version of man) but he equally admires other traits such as his responsibility he feels towards Abigail. So he goes out of his way to "reverse the teacup" and set up a scenario where Will would have everything he theoretically wants: a friend who intimately understands and accepts him and a substitute daughter bonded through shared experience (although terrible) and mutual need. A family with no secrets and no need to keep them. As it turns out it's Hannibal's projection all along.
On May 27 2014 23:54 stuchiu wrote: Hannibal did compare them to Achilles and Patrocles. Patrocles put on Achilles armor to save the Greeks, Will "becomes" the murderer Hannibal wanted so he can stop Hannibal. Achilles quit the war in a fit of petty rage as his prize was stolen. Hannibal recreates the murder scene of Abigails Hobbs and her father in a fit of petty rage to hurt Will. It is the strongest thing he can do as that murder scene is what made them friends. When it is reenacted again at the end of season 1, it gives both of them the clarity to see and understand each other. And now Hannibal uses it to sever all ties with Will. At least that was the impression I got.
I would say the better comparison is Hannibal sacrificing his old life to Achilles' death wish after Patrocles dies.
I read that with Hannibal's voice.
Rofl! I did too but I didn't think anything of it until I read your comment hahaha.
Honestly though I thought that season was amazing. I think it easily takes #1 on my TV 2014 list.
JUST finished S2. All I can think is "what the hell with that ending?" that made me scramble to see if there would be a third season. This is one of the few movies / tv-series that has successfully made me somewhat uncomfortable.
On August 21 2014 06:14 ObviousOne wrote: JUST finished S2. All I can think is "what the hell with that ending?" that made me scramble to see if there would be a third season. This is one of the few movies / tv-series that has successfully made me somewhat uncomfortable.
The producers made this season with the mindset of not being able to renew the series.
Hannibal season 3 trailer has been released. Don't know if this video will be blocked eventually or not so I'll provide a second link but it only works for people in the US.
Looks like a William Blake reference at 0:53. Doesn't seem like The Great Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed in Sun though. It could just be a distortion of the image due to use of a projector.
I still can't believe how much stuff this show gets away with. If I recall correctly, the censorship peeps at the FCC wouldn't let the production show a butt crack or something... so the production proposed, "what if we have it covered thickly in blood?" and for some reason that was acceptable.
On January 24 2015 06:29 URfavHO wrote: I still can't believe how much stuff this show gets away with. If I recall correctly, the censorship peeps at the FCC wouldn't let the production show a butt crack or something... so the production proposed, "what if we have it covered thickly in blood?" and for some reason that was acceptable.
It was NBC who took offense not the FCC (although likely because it could have been an FCC violation). The bodies were flayed so the blood/butt cracks weren't even the worst part imo
On June 05 2015 22:32 Oldfool wrote: I had forgotten how exquisite the cinematography in the show is; what a beautifully crafted start to the season.
I agree that the cinematography was excellent and I was really taken aback by how stunning it was, especially the recurring drops of water and blood. Unfortunately I thought the episode itself was rather boring and didn't do much to develop the plot of the season. The second episode looks really promising though.
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