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No, this is not a joke/trolling thread. We don't need more filler posts asking if it is.

Remember to spoiler season 6 content, and clearly label your spoilers.
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 17:24:16
February 13 2012 17:20 GMT
#9281
Well the first season they were restricted by something called ei "educational and informational" standards. So they were forced to make the show more educational and contain less scary things.

Wikipedia'd a bit: Faust also had to write to the E/I ("educational and informational") standards that Hasbro required of the show, making the crafting of some of the situations she would have normally done on other animated shows more difficult; for example, Faust cited having one character call another an "egghead" as "treading a very delicate line", and having one character cheat in a competition as "worrisome to some"
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
February 13 2012 17:20 GMT
#9282
On February 14 2012 01:52 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Are the story writers of MLP adding more and more things into the show in order to give the large group of older generation watchers laughs? Like they did in Shrek with all the subtle hints that caused parents to enjoy the show but at same time still kept it funny for kids?


I don't believe they are. I don't think any show element has been for us, if anything it has been for them themselves to show each other.
FnF
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland200 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 17:48:04
February 13 2012 17:37 GMT
#9283
On February 14 2012 01:52 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Are the story writers of MLP adding more and more things into the show in order to give the large group of older generation watchers laughs? Like they did in Shrek with all the subtle hints that caused parents to enjoy the show but at same time still kept it funny for kids?

Y'know, people really, really like to bring up arguments about how the show has jokes and references that "would go over younger viewers' heads" (I swear 90% of the time it's that exact wording…) but I can't help but feel it's just being used as a flimsy justification rather than as an actual reason for watching and enjoying the show.

I mean, they're entertaining and all, but as far as reactions and appeal go, it's more like "Hah, that's cool" before getting right back to the real meat and potatoes. Fans have interests very different from uninvested parents.
Zoundsforsook
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Scotland636 Posts
February 13 2012 17:45 GMT
#9284
On February 14 2012 01:52 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Are the story writers of MLP adding more and more things into the show in order to give the large group of older generation watchers laughs? Like they did in Shrek with all the subtle hints that caused parents to enjoy the show but at same time still kept it funny for kids?

There is the occasional reference that is put in that would not be familiar to younger viewers certainly, but I think its more just fun for the staff of the show to put them in than directed at anyone in particular (The Big Lebowski ponies come to mind)
Paint it bright and bold.
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
February 13 2012 17:46 GMT
#9285
Well, Faust always wanted the show to be enjoyable to parents who watched it with their kids as well. The Andre Agassi pony early in Season 1 is a sure sign of that.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



The Big Lebowski ponies, coming in Season 2, could be either to parents or bronies. Or a creator of the show is simply a fan.

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


The only thing the Brony community can truly claim is Ditzy Doo's name change. Virtually all of later season 1 and all of season 2 has nothing to do with our community. Though Discord = Q was utterly fantastic to us who watched TNG back in the day, but that coulda been for the parents, bronies, or simply a cool thing for the creators.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
February 13 2012 17:51 GMT
#9286
On February 14 2012 02:37 FnF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 01:52 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Are the story writers of MLP adding more and more things into the show in order to give the large group of older generation watchers laughs? Like they did in Shrek with all the subtle hints that caused parents to enjoy the show but at same time still kept it funny for kids?

Y'know, people really, really like to bring up arguments about how the show has jokes and references that "would go over younger viewers' heads" (I swear 90% of the time it's that exact wording…) but I can't help but feel it's just being used as a flimsy justification rather than as an actual reason for watching and enjoying the show.

I mean, they're entertaining and all, but as far as reactions and appeal go, it's more like "Hah, that's cool" before getting right back to the real meat and potatoes. Fans have interests very different from uninvested parents.


This, so much.

If people go in expecting it to be subversive comedy from everyone telling them things like that, they will be disappointed.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
February 13 2012 18:02 GMT
#9287
[image loading]

http://silvercyh.deviantart.com/art/Game-Over-284629869
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Hacksu
Profile Joined April 2011
Finland23 Posts
February 13 2012 18:19 GMT
#9288
On February 14 2012 02:37 FnF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 01:52 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Are the story writers of MLP adding more and more things into the show in order to give the large group of older generation watchers laughs? Like they did in Shrek with all the subtle hints that caused parents to enjoy the show but at same time still kept it funny for kids?

Y'know, people really, really like to bring up arguments about how the show has jokes and references that "would go over younger viewers' heads" (I swear 90% of the time it's that exact wording…) but I can't help but feel it's just being used as a flimsy justification rather than as an actual reason for watching and enjoying the show.

I mean, they're entertaining and all, but as far as reactions and appeal go, it's more like "Hah, that's cool" before getting right back to the real meat and potatoes. Fans have interests very different from uninvested parents.


I think the "over younger audiences head" argument is only thrown in there after the respectable opposition ponders why we watch a so called "kid's show". Atleast thats how I've used it.
StarDragon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States283 Posts
February 13 2012 18:24 GMT
#9289
Finally got around to watch the new episode, better late then never.

+ Show Spoiler +

So here I'm a day late watching it due to work. So I look at the time its 10:15pm Sweet I can watch it and be to bed before 10:45.

Well its midnight, and I finally turn off the tv.. wtf..
That song just killed me, "His girlfriend sure thinks so" I just died right there laughing.
it was just so hilarious that I had to go back and rewatch and rewatch. Got addicted to it :D.

Great episode, its one of the few that gave me that feeling that I got in season 1 ep's of watching MLP for the first time.
Just grinned the whole time and had a blast, wouldn't give it up for anything.


Ponies? My deviantart: http://stardragon102.deviantart.com/
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
February 13 2012 18:35 GMT
#9290
So this was something that popped up on Reddit:

[image loading]

Now to wonder eternally whether or not that was an intentional self-reference.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
FnF
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland200 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 19:54:35
February 13 2012 19:00 GMT
#9291
On February 14 2012 03:19 Hacksu wrote:
I think the "over younger audiences head" argument is only thrown in there after the respectable opposition ponders why we watch a so called "kid's show". Atleast thats how I've used it.

Exactly. It's used as a justifying argument of "A reference to X proves this isn't a Kids' Show™, which means I'm allowed to watch it!", when the dynamics of audience appeal and engagement are far more complex than a black-and-white content threshold. All it comes across as is a kid tugging your sleeve while jumping up and down going "Look! Look! Adult Stuff™!"

Trying to ride the "adult" parts means acknowledging the Kids'/Adult Show™ mindset, and a few references aren't gonna let you compete against whatever the other person has in mind for an Adult Show™. Our best bet here is in challenging the designations and breaking down the playing field into smaller axes. "What makes a kids' show?", essentially.
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
February 13 2012 20:52 GMT
#9292
On February 14 2012 03:35 Daralii wrote:
So this was something that popped up on Reddit:

[image loading]

Now to wonder eternally whether or not that was an intentional self-reference.


They don't make all of the episodes in the order that they are aired I think, so that is probably a daring-do costume. Also, do is a dumb surname for a pony.
Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
February 13 2012 20:55 GMT
#9293
On February 14 2012 05:52 ampson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 03:35 Daralii wrote:
So this was something that popped up on Reddit:

[image loading]

Now to wonder eternally whether or not that was an intentional self-reference.


They don't make all of the episodes in the order that they are aired I think, so that is probably a daring-do costume. Also, do is a dumb surname for a pony.


It's a pun. http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/derring-do.html
I can't sing and I can't dance, but still I know how to clap my hands.
Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
February 13 2012 20:57 GMT
#9294
I dropped a bunch of links on the floor again.

+ Show Spoiler +

[14:33] <+motbob> http://spark-strudel.deviantart.com/art/Takeoff-284605593
[14:33] <+Camail> bloody u mad bro!?!?!?!?!?
[14:34] <+Camail> oh hey, I can link too
[14:34] <+Bloodynoob> no
[14:34] <+TheDoT42> where is sd?
[14:34] <+Camail> http://opera-romance.deviantart.com/art/Hamony-284857177
[14:34] <+Bloodynoob> last time i use overlord over ahtch
[14:34] <+Camail> http://sh2otingstar.deviantart.com/art/Hearts-and-Hooves-Day-284876580
[14:34] <+Bloodynoob> because its fucking retardet
[14:34] <+Camail> http://durpy.deviantart.com/art/Lotusjack-vector-284887398 4 dub
[14:34] <+Sermok> wow
[14:34] <+Bloodynoob> you still need a drone
[14:34] <+Sermok> xeris is insane
[14:34] <+Camail> http://alexmakovsky.deviantart.com/art/Happy-Valentine-Day-Fluttershy-284887543
[14:34] <+Bloodynoob> to scout for that stuff
[14:34] <+Camail> antoher 4 dub http://durpy.deviantart.com/art/Aloejack-vector-284887958
[14:34] <+Camail> http://sliverlynx.deviantart.com/art/Happy-Hearts-and-Hooves-Day-284615658
[14:34] <+Camail> http://misstickles.deviantart.com/art/Battlefoals-3-Rarity-284884961
[14:34] <+Sermok> hes a grad student is the comish of nasl and the manager of a team
[14:35] <+Camail> http://x-tatik.deviantart.com/art/Be-My-Special-Somepony-284883792
[14:35] <+Camail> http://alexfan101.deviantart.com/art/MLP-Sunset-Pegasi-284878478
[14:35] <+Camail> http://leo3ooox.deviantart.com/art/My-little-Pony-RPG-game-quot-Time-battle-1-quot-284873715
[14:35] <+Camail> http://puzzle-of-life.deviantart.com/art/You-re-VERY-Familair-Pt-2-284873352
[14:35] <+Camail> http://lemguin.deviantart.com/art/Hey-Hey-Hey-284871018 lulz
[14:35] <+Camail> http://ponykillerx.deviantart.com/art/Technology-284871244
[14:35] <+Camail> http://nazoth.deviantart.com/art/Vinyl-Scratch-Element-of-music-284871878 ooh
[14:35] <+Camail> http://alsatianvdk.deviantart.com/art/My-little-Valentine-s-Day-284869749
[14:35] <+Camail> http://thiscrispykat.deviantart.com/art/Mein-Little-Kamfgruppe-Blitzkrieg-284870427 wat?
[14:35] <+Camail> http://emma-hope.deviantart.com/art/Derpy-284870527
[14:35] <+Camail> http://chimerax11.deviantart.com/art/Canterlot-City-of-Stars-284860552
[14:36] <+Camail> http://kimikonyanchan.deviantart.com/art/Lyra-Has-Ze-Remote-284855123
[14:36] <+Camail> http://raikoh14.deviantart.com/art/L-s-a-Brony-284889091 ^_^
[14:36] == Frolossus [Frolossus@c-98-209-64-130.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #tlponies
[14:36] == mode/#tlponies [+v Frolossus] by GaryOak
[14:36] <+Camail> http://veggie55.deviantart.com/art/Show-Time-284870314
[14:36] <+StarDragon> HOLY TRAFFIC!
[14:36] <+Camail> http://churchs.deviantart.com/art/Applebloom-Portrait-284806258
[14:36] <+StarDragon> IM BACK
[14:36] <+Camail> http://wolferahm.deviantart.com/art/Derpy-s-sandwich-shop-284806558
[14:36] <+TheDoT42> ur a bit late
[14:36] <+Njunin> "a bit"
[14:36] <+Camail> http://ruffu.deviantart.com/art/Surprise-284806666
[14:36] <+TheDoT42> lol
[14:36] <+Camail> http://leafgrowth.deviantart.com/art/Well-that-was-awkward-284807792
[14:36] <+Camail> http://kamiase.deviantart.com/art/Total-Caos-284803457
[14:36] <+TheDoT42> u missed my only ever victory
[14:36] <+Hsab> why can't i hold all these links
[14:36] <+Camail> http://iraecoal.deviantart.com/art/Family-Stroll-284803597
[14:36] <+Camail> http://raikoh14.deviantart.com/art/Rainbow-Dash-and-FLuttershy-284851433
[14:37] <+Camail> http://evilfurry.deviantart.com/art/Nightmare-night-284851011
[14:37] <+Camail> http://tetrapony.deviantart.com/art/Derp-Drawing-284846282
[14:37] <+Camail> http://quadice.deviantart.com/art/Pinkie-and-Twilight-having-fun-in-cave-284848114
[14:37] <+Camail> http://tompprime.deviantart.com/art/Western-Applejack-284844894
[14:37] <+Camail> http://darth-franny.deviantart.com/art/Valentine-284832948
[14:37] <+Camail> http://silentbluefoxx.deviantart.com/art/me-gusta-la-gelatina-284819250
[14:37] <+TheDoT42> im hurt
[14:37] <+Phearlock> My poor laptop can't hold all these links.
[14:37] <+Camail> http://docwario.deviantart.com/art/Pia-and-Kia-Ikea-284815268
[14:37] <+Camail> http://indigo-wendigo.deviantart.com/art/Who-s-a-silly-Valentine-284811505
[14:37] <+Camail> http://mr-1.deviantart.com/art/The-Great-and-Powerful-Beepsie-284829978 lulz
[14:37] <+Camail> http://eattoast.deviantart.com/art/My-Little-Marvin-284842937 hmm
[14:37] <+Camail> http://glancojusticar.deviantart.com/art/Super-Speedy-Cider-Squeezy-6000-Flim-Flam-284852138 !!!
[14:37] <+Camail> http://echowolf800.deviantart.com/art/Request-Happy-Valentine-s-284816968 daw
[14:38] <+Camail> no more links
[14:38] <+Phearlock> I really liked the "technology" one btw.
[14:38] <+Yip> ^^ i have officially mastered lighting =D
[14:38] <+Phearlock> Funnies & Twi plot.


^^^^^^^^

Sample:

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Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
February 13 2012 21:21 GMT
#9295
On February 14 2012 03:19 Hacksu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 02:37 FnF wrote:
On February 14 2012 01:52 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Are the story writers of MLP adding more and more things into the show in order to give the large group of older generation watchers laughs? Like they did in Shrek with all the subtle hints that caused parents to enjoy the show but at same time still kept it funny for kids?

Y'know, people really, really like to bring up arguments about how the show has jokes and references that "would go over younger viewers' heads" (I swear 90% of the time it's that exact wording…) but I can't help but feel it's just being used as a flimsy justification rather than as an actual reason for watching and enjoying the show.

I mean, they're entertaining and all, but as far as reactions and appeal go, it's more like "Hah, that's cool" before getting right back to the real meat and potatoes. Fans have interests very different from uninvested parents.


I think the "over younger audiences head" argument is only thrown in there after the respectable opposition ponders why we watch a so called "kid's show". Atleast thats how I've used it.


We need an experiment with an actual person in the target age range, get them to watch an episode and then explain how many of the character's feelings/intentions as well as jokes they understand.

I have a feeling it would be nearly all of them except the direct references to films/TV they haven't watched yet, and those are too few to really call it intentional on the part of the director/writers to add those for adults.
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
February 13 2012 21:30 GMT
#9296
On February 14 2012 03:35 Daralii wrote:
So this was something that popped up on Reddit:

[image loading]

Now to wonder eternally whether or not that was an intentional self-reference.

I knew I wasn't seeing things when I said "hey, isn't that a Daring Do costume?" during the Hub's mareathon when Luna Eclipsed aired.
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
breaker101010
Profile Joined January 2012
United States12 Posts
February 13 2012 22:42 GMT
#9297
The references and the various pop culture icon imagery, whatever, doesn't make it a "adult show that also has a younger audience" demographic. Its selfish to think that the creators did this for us and only for us, and does not take into account whether this was their main intention or not. Rather, the references and the imagery are just... small details that usually don't affect the opinions or the plot of storyline (except for Derpy on the Last Roundup), such as background ponies, or environmental aspects (I suspect a fatal flaw with this argument).

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that the fans do not determine whether this is a "kid's show that also appeals to the adults". I believe its the creator, as they attempt to create and to cater to an audience with whatever they do, AND we, the bronies coincidentally fully agree or enjoy what they have done. It is first and foremost a kid's show (as it is their intended audience). However the presentation and delivery and aspects of the show makes it appeal to a broader audience (such as not being unbearably stupid, realistic presentation of themes, a personal connection, or something to look up to as a role model.) The show for all intents and purposes is a children's show- but they put the effort, work, and time to make it much more than that. The creators made a phenomenon the likes of which nobody could have foretold or foreseen. And we are thankful for this.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -Voltaire
RoKetha
Profile Joined July 2010
United States211 Posts
February 13 2012 22:57 GMT
#9298
On February 14 2012 02:20 Paperplane wrote:
Well the first season they were restricted by something called ei "educational and informational" standards. So they were forced to make the show more educational and contain less scary things.

Wikipedia'd a bit: Faust also had to write to the E/I ("educational and informational") standards that Hasbro required of the show, making the crafting of some of the situations she would have normally done on other animated shows more difficult; for example, Faust cited having one character call another an "egghead" as "treading a very delicate line", and having one character cheat in a competition as "worrisome to some"


The show is still E/I in season 2; they just don't have the logo at the top any more. If you open up a TV guide description, it still says Educational/Informative.

Also, Ditzy Doo was never a name for Derpy at any point in time. The closest it ever got was Faust saying (paraphrased), "well I might use Ditzy Doo or I might use Derpy if we ever give her a name in the show, because we already said the name Ditzy Doo once when it referred to an off-screen pony at the time and kinda fits." All the show staff have used Derpy in interviews at every single occurence, including pre-season 2 and all assets with viewable names containing the pony have used Derpy.

And Jayson Thiessen has said in interviews multiple times that most of the animation jokes are not written in but added by the animators themselves, while other jokes are put in because the staff want to have fun with the show and make something they like, not to please any kind of fanbase or audience.
therockmanxx
Profile Joined July 2010
Peru1174 Posts
February 13 2012 23:10 GMT
#9299
Guys mmm... If I for some reasons I wanna do some MLP charaters impression what should I say
Ideas plz ^^
Derpy: I just dont know what went wrong
Rarity: I am not whining i'm complaining ....
Twi: Dear princess celestia....
RD: The color is fine just make it look cooler, it needs to be about 20%cooler
Tekken ProGamer
jinkyu7
Profile Joined September 2011
United States45 Posts
February 13 2012 23:16 GMT
#9300
one i do alot at school is
fluttershy: Yay!
fluttershy: You rock. Woohoo!
rarity: this is THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. THING!
rainbow dash: needs to be 20% cooler
pinkie pie: okie dokie lokie!
applejack: dont use your fancy mathematics to muddle the issue.
twilight: clock is ticking twilight. clock. is. ticking!
If a man says a truth, we think it a lie. If a man says a lie, we think it the truth.
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