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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 12 2018 10:09 GMT
#21
FTM in big lead here though? Look favorites for game 1 now
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 12 2018 10:13 GMT
#22
Ok not if they fight like that they wont. They were very split up and attacking differnet heroes.
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 12 2018 10:15 GMT
#23
On April 12 2018 19:13 Pandemona wrote:
Ok not if they fight like that they wont. They were very split up and attacking differnet heroes.


They clearly haven't played against Willow enough, that's really what's causing them issues. And they're definitely a Tier 3 team, though that doesn't mean they can't win this.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 12 2018 10:26 GMT
#24
Yeah they are farming way better than VGJ plus imo have the better cores as well. Should still be able to take game 1 comfortably, even with the CIS style brute force high ground sieging they are trying xD
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
April 12 2018 10:26 GMT
#25
Willow isn't a great support against heroes like omni or abaddon that can reactively respond to Willow's disables.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 12 2018 10:29 GMT
#26
Lina build is some big ass right click build! Daedalus and MKB ?
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
April 12 2018 10:30 GMT
#27
Glass cannon hero with glass cannon build, yet she is tanky as hell with all the defensive buffs
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
April 12 2018 10:34 GMT
#28
Pew pew pew. Who needs windrunner waifu when you have lina
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 12 2018 10:34 GMT
#29
Couldn't hold their rax to 35 minutes.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 12 2018 10:35 GMT
#30
Haha yeah that was crazy, good game from FTM.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
April 12 2018 10:35 GMT
#31
nice start to the tournament
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 12 2018 10:36 GMT
#32
The core of the DAC meta was getting the Tier 1s down early so you could farm better until 25 minutes. Treant keeps T1s alive, which is why it helps. Also, big lockdown meta, so the pos 4 Treant worked.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 10:43:19
April 12 2018 10:43 GMT
#33
Plus the gyro has to be banned still because whilst it doesn't farm as well until it has levels it still is fine in the lane and as soon as its level 6, call down is just stupidly strong.

CIS really does like the treant and like you say, just keeps the towers alive whilst also being good in the lane. Oh it's also a walking ward!
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Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 12 2018 10:43 GMT
#34
On April 12 2018 19:36 Taf the Ghost wrote:
The core of the DAC meta was getting the Tier 1s down early so you could farm better until 25 minutes. Treant keeps T1s alive, which is why it helps. Also, big lockdown meta, so the pos 4 Treant worked.

great nice insight
-Terran-
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 12 2018 10:51 GMT
#35
On April 12 2018 19:43 Pandemona wrote:
Plus the gyro has to be banned still because whilst it doesn't farm as well until it has levels it still is fine in the lane and as soon as its level 6, call down is just stupidly strong.

CIS really does like the treant and like you say, just keeps the towers alive whilst also being good in the lane. Oh it's also a walking ward!


Against the Tier 1 teams, I'm sure they'd have warded better and put more pressure on in the early game. Also, against Treant, you have to commit a bit more to taking towers, which VGJ.T just didn't do. They traded even in a few team fights or ahead, but they didn't 5-man the towers. Treant just isn't as useful when you take his towers early.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 12 2018 10:53 GMT
#36
Also, Beastmaster was a much better pick than Doom, and was in the pool.
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 12 2018 10:58 GMT
#37
On April 12 2018 19:51 Taf the Ghost wrote:
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On April 12 2018 19:43 Pandemona wrote:
Plus the gyro has to be banned still because whilst it doesn't farm as well until it has levels it still is fine in the lane and as soon as its level 6, call down is just stupidly strong.

CIS really does like the treant and like you say, just keeps the towers alive whilst also being good in the lane. Oh it's also a walking ward!


Against the Tier 1 teams, I'm sure they'd have warded better and put more pressure on in the early game. Also, against Treant, you have to commit a bit more to taking towers, which VGJ.T just didn't do. They traded even in a few team fights or ahead, but they didn't 5-man the towers. Treant just isn't as useful when you take his towers early.

okay you started to sound like a treant gay-boy now
not that you're wrong though :p
-Terran-
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 12 2018 11:02 GMT
#38
is there another delay?
-Terran-
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 12 2018 11:05 GMT
#39
On April 12 2018 20:02 Vertical wrote:
is there another delay?


ALWAYSWANNAFLY needed time to puke in a bucket.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 12 2018 11:11 GMT
#40
On April 12 2018 18:33 Taf the Ghost wrote:

The important question, since it's China vs CIS, is "can VGJ.T hold their rax to 35 minutes?". VGJ.T should have better Late Game, but they have to get there to win.


Still will be!
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