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On June 03 2016 18:55 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 18:47 Shergal wrote:On June 03 2016 18:46 Danzo wrote:You guys it's just the first day. This Secret has breathing room to improve.  Everyone can improve or recede, but what are we supposed to talk about? "Let's wait until the tournament ends before making judgements"? That's really boring On June 03 2016 18:47 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 18:45 Shergal wrote:
Universe getting exposed. Secret should've gone for Zai. Puppey's offlane always requires mechanical prodigies, something Universe isn't even close to being. Rofl no. Universe has been slumping for 6+ months now but he's been mechanically great in the past. He's got the abilities somewhere in there but there's obviously some problem somewhere. I disagree. Universe has never been a top-tier laner, not even while EG were dominating the scene. His best attritube is timing for initiation, but Puppey's team (and the current offlane in general, really) require a more complete game. Of course confidence has put him even below his real level, but that doesn't come out of nowhere. PPD always accounted for his weaknesses, Puppey expects him to account individually for the drafts' iffy spots; it's a complete reversal of the situation. That's actually wrong, Universe was an absolutely top tier laner, especially in 1v2. He was a safe player and didn't often go for risky plays like iceiceice who could open the match right open or feed like an idiot but he is/was definitely very very good.
To me that's the definition of not top-tier. He can coast through a simple game but he can't gain advantages where there were none to begin with (which is what the top-tier players do). He's top-tier at other aspects of the game but for someone who has been playing professionally since Dota 1 and never made any waves outside of ppd's cozy leadership people really liked to inflate him as some sort of higher being who was above Dota.
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Miss wall, miss black hole, still win fight. Wtf? :D
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WHAT.How do they lose that fight rofl
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On June 03 2016 19:06 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 19:02 Dracolich70 wrote:
These analysts can't understand that placing 5 individual with star quality doesn't a great team make, and never did. Pretty sure Real Madrid could have something to say about that....
Historically, Real Madrid should have won CL like every other year for last 20... But they havent. Theier Galcticos style has not been successfull in thropies. But its been a success in making them the biggest club in the world... + the 2 CL throphies last 3 years ofc makes a differnece, but they are not the same as before (Galcticos) imo
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Some absolutely brilliant play by Empire dealing with notail's alch
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What the hell were OG doing these last 60 seconds?
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On June 03 2016 19:11 CrazyBirdman wrote:
What the hell were OG doing these last 60 seconds?
Never go full retard
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On June 03 2016 19:10 Shergal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 18:55 Diavlo wrote:On June 03 2016 18:47 Shergal wrote:On June 03 2016 18:46 Danzo wrote:You guys it's just the first day. This Secret has breathing room to improve. Everyone can improve or recede, but what are we supposed to talk about? "Let's wait until the tournament ends before making judgements"? That's really boring On June 03 2016 18:47 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 18:45 Shergal wrote:
Universe getting exposed. Secret should've gone for Zai. Puppey's offlane always requires mechanical prodigies, something Universe isn't even close to being. Rofl no. Universe has been slumping for 6+ months now but he's been mechanically great in the past. He's got the abilities somewhere in there but there's obviously some problem somewhere. I disagree. Universe has never been a top-tier laner, not even while EG were dominating the scene. His best attritube is timing for initiation, but Puppey's team (and the current offlane in general, really) require a more complete game. Of course confidence has put him even below his real level, but that doesn't come out of nowhere. PPD always accounted for his weaknesses, Puppey expects him to account individually for the drafts' iffy spots; it's a complete reversal of the situation. That's actually wrong, Universe was an absolutely top tier laner, especially in 1v2. He was a safe player and didn't often go for risky plays like iceiceice who could open the match right open or feed like an idiot but he is/was definitely very very good. To me that's the definition of not top-tier. He can coast through a simple game but he can't gain advantages where there were none to begin with (which is what the top-tier players do). He's top-tier at other aspects of the game but for someone who has been playing professionally since Dota 1 and never made any waves outside of ppd's cozy leadership people really liked to inflate him as some sort of higher being who was above Dota.
In EG, Universe was often given lanes were he could 1v1, and he always did well in 1v1's.
He would struggle more when he was 1 vrs 3 (naturally), but still wouldnt realy die or feed.
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im seeing zai go to secret after ti6. on another note, great to see the puppey greed fail. he wanted an alstar team, now he has it, and they suck...you cant switch out players all the time, and think it will work.
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siiiiiick
Empire, fuck yeah!
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On June 03 2016 19:10 the bear jew wrote:
Miss wall, miss black hole, still win fight. Wtf? :D
DK also popped his BKB.... what the heck happened???
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Well that was unexpected.
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On June 03 2016 19:10 the bear jew wrote:
Miss wall, miss black hole, still win fight. Wtf? :D
They had enough lockdown that N0Tail never did anything in the fights.
Disruptor Aghs is actually a brutal counter to a lot of carries.
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On June 03 2016 19:12 Atoissen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 19:10 Shergal wrote:On June 03 2016 18:55 Diavlo wrote:On June 03 2016 18:47 Shergal wrote:On June 03 2016 18:46 Danzo wrote:You guys it's just the first day. This Secret has breathing room to improve. Everyone can improve or recede, but what are we supposed to talk about? "Let's wait until the tournament ends before making judgements"? That's really boring On June 03 2016 18:47 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 18:45 Shergal wrote:
Universe getting exposed. Secret should've gone for Zai. Puppey's offlane always requires mechanical prodigies, something Universe isn't even close to being. Rofl no. Universe has been slumping for 6+ months now but he's been mechanically great in the past. He's got the abilities somewhere in there but there's obviously some problem somewhere. I disagree. Universe has never been a top-tier laner, not even while EG were dominating the scene. His best attritube is timing for initiation, but Puppey's team (and the current offlane in general, really) require a more complete game. Of course confidence has put him even below his real level, but that doesn't come out of nowhere. PPD always accounted for his weaknesses, Puppey expects him to account individually for the drafts' iffy spots; it's a complete reversal of the situation. That's actually wrong, Universe was an absolutely top tier laner, especially in 1v2. He was a safe player and didn't often go for risky plays like iceiceice who could open the match right open or feed like an idiot but he is/was definitely very very good. To me that's the definition of not top-tier. He can coast through a simple game but he can't gain advantages where there were none to begin with (which is what the top-tier players do). He's top-tier at other aspects of the game but for someone who has been playing professionally since Dota 1 and never made any waves outside of ppd's cozy leadership people really liked to inflate him as some sort of higher being who was above Dota. In EG, Universe was often given lanes were he could 1v1, and he always did well in 1v1's. He would struggle more when he was 1 vrs 3 (naturally), but still wouldnt realy die or feed.
I remember when Sylar obliterated him at TI4 on a relatively even DS vs NP. Which ended up giving VG a 15min victory almost by itself.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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Pandemona
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On June 03 2016 19:10 Atoissen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 19:06 Pandemona wrote:On June 03 2016 19:02 Dracolich70 wrote:
These analysts can't understand that placing 5 individual with star quality doesn't a great team make, and never did. Pretty sure Real Madrid could have something to say about that.... Historically, Real Madrid should have won CL like every other year for last 20... But they havent. Theier Galcticos style has not been successfull in thropies. But its been a success in making them the biggest club in the world... + the 2 CL throphies last 3 years ofc makes a differnece, but they are not the same as before (Galcticos) imo
They either won league or win champions league they are more than successful for what they do. Since 1999 they have only had 3 season where they did not either win champions league or the league title, thats pretty outstanding 
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Secret elimination closer and closer!
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On June 03 2016 19:13 Shergal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 19:12 Atoissen wrote:On June 03 2016 19:10 Shergal wrote:On June 03 2016 18:55 Diavlo wrote:On June 03 2016 18:47 Shergal wrote:On June 03 2016 18:46 Danzo wrote:You guys it's just the first day. This Secret has breathing room to improve. Everyone can improve or recede, but what are we supposed to talk about? "Let's wait until the tournament ends before making judgements"? That's really boring On June 03 2016 18:47 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 18:45 Shergal wrote:
Universe getting exposed. Secret should've gone for Zai. Puppey's offlane always requires mechanical prodigies, something Universe isn't even close to being. Rofl no. Universe has been slumping for 6+ months now but he's been mechanically great in the past. He's got the abilities somewhere in there but there's obviously some problem somewhere. I disagree. Universe has never been a top-tier laner, not even while EG were dominating the scene. His best attritube is timing for initiation, but Puppey's team (and the current offlane in general, really) require a more complete game. Of course confidence has put him even below his real level, but that doesn't come out of nowhere. PPD always accounted for his weaknesses, Puppey expects him to account individually for the drafts' iffy spots; it's a complete reversal of the situation. That's actually wrong, Universe was an absolutely top tier laner, especially in 1v2. He was a safe player and didn't often go for risky plays like iceiceice who could open the match right open or feed like an idiot but he is/was definitely very very good. To me that's the definition of not top-tier. He can coast through a simple game but he can't gain advantages where there were none to begin with (which is what the top-tier players do). He's top-tier at other aspects of the game but for someone who has been playing professionally since Dota 1 and never made any waves outside of ppd's cozy leadership people really liked to inflate him as some sort of higher being who was above Dota. In EG, Universe was often given lanes were he could 1v1, and he always did well in 1v1's. He would struggle more when he was 1 vrs 3 (naturally), but still wouldnt realy die or feed. I remember when Sylar obliterated him at TI4 on a relatively even DS vs NP. Which ended up giving VG a 15min victory almost by itself.
Ok, so u remamber one game he got obliterated I probably should have said something els then "always"... Point still stands, he was usually a reliable 1v1 player, rarely lost.
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I think Invoker QW instead of DP was a much better pick imo.
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