Nahaz made a point if anyone is talking on that team. I feel like the chemistry on the team has completely fell apart. EE+RTZ isn't the vegeta/goku combo I thought they were.

FreakyDroid

Macedonia2616 Posts

June 03 2016 10:00 GMT

#1085

So if Secret looses, we wont be getting Secret Vs DC?

Kamisamanachi

4665 Posts

June 03 2016 10:01 GMT

#1086

Tfw people are still hyping these so called money grabber all star teams and can't relalize the real potential lies in well built teams having balance of players and not just all the talent overstuffed crap.

Daralii

United States16991 Posts

June 03 2016 10:01 GMT

#1087

On June 03 2016 18:59 malcram wrote:
can't make the "wanna hear a joke? navi is back" joke anymore.

Just change it to "Wanna hear a joke? Secret is good."

Xendarii

327 Posts

June 03 2016 10:01 GMT

#1088

On June 03 2016 19:00 FreakyDroid wrote:
So if Secret looses, we wont be getting Secret Vs DC?

You mean WHEN Secret loses. No, we won't. I doubt that Secret will win a single match, so they'll probably drop out of the lower bracket in the first round.

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts

June 03 2016 10:01 GMT

#1089

On June 03 2016 19:00 Danzo wrote:
Nahaz made a point if anyone is talking on that team. I feel like the chemistry on the team has completely fell apart. EE+RTZ isn't the vegeta/goku combo I thought they were.

They are literally Suma1l and Rtz 2.0 but in different roles. Both like to afk farm, both do not like straight up fighting. Only difference in Secret compared to EG was that Suma1l can play way more mids than Rtz can.

Dracolich70

Denmark3820 Posts

June 03 2016 10:02 GMT

#1090

These analysts can't understand that placing 5 individual with star quality doesn't a great team make, and never did.

OuchyDathurts

United States4588 Posts

June 03 2016 10:02 GMT

#1091

On June 03 2016 18:47 Shergal wrote:

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Everyone can improve or recede, but what are we supposed to talk about? "Let's wait until the tournament ends before making judgements"? That's really boring

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I disagree. Universe has never been a top-tier laner, not even while EG were dominating the scene. His best attritube is timing for initiation, but Puppey's team (and the current offlane in general, really) require a more complete game. Of course confidence has put him even below his real level, but that doesn't come out of nowhere. PPD always accounted for his weaknesses, Puppey expects him to account individually for the drafts' iffy spots; it's a complete reversal of the situation.

Universe was a fucking god for ~ a year. He always got a ton out of his lane, even if he died in lane he'd always manage to take someone with him, had insane positioning, brought new heroes into the meta. If anything the offlane getting easier and easier with map changes has meant worse player's can get decent results in the offlane weakening his stock. At TI5 Zai's offlane was garbage and while I think Universe was starting his decline then he was still good enough to win TI so...Universe's mechanical skills were absolutely top tier, to think otherwise is delusional.

Elurie

4716 Posts

June 03 2016 10:03 GMT

#1092

On June 03 2016 18:58 ahswtini wrote:
secret crumbling makes me feel warm inside

I read that wrong. Way wrong.

Or did I......?

FreakyDroid

Macedonia2616 Posts

June 03 2016 10:03 GMT

#1093

On June 03 2016 19:01 Xendarii wrote:

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You mean WHEN Secret loses. No, we won't. I doubt that Secret will win a single match, so they'll probably drop out of the lower bracket in the first round.

Lol, yeah you got a point there. But thing is, as much as I want Secret to lose, I want to see them dumpstered by DC more :D

Talin

Montenegro10532 Posts

June 03 2016 10:05 GMT

#1094

Universe was definitely overrated before, he was basically invisible in Dignitas and EG 1.0, he's either invisible or bad after he left the new EG.

He's super reliable in functional teams, but he was essentially a cog in PPD's machine. On his own, outside his comfort zone, he never added much to any team.

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts

June 03 2016 10:06 GMT

#1095

On June 03 2016 19:02 Dracolich70 wrote:
These analysts can't understand that placing 5 individual with star quality doesn't a great team make, and never did.

Pretty sure Real Madrid could have something to say about that....

OuchyDathurts

United States4588 Posts

June 03 2016 10:06 GMT

#1096

Mechanical skills is pretty much a wash at the highest level. You're not going to just beat people with sheer mechanical skill anymore. So you can't look to that for wins, you've gotta look elsewhere.

Drafting you can still flat out win through, that's a place people can look for an edge.
Synergy/Chemistry you can still win through. I feel like this is where most teams are looking right now.
One thing I think people aren't necessarily looking to is emotionally/mentally being stronger. I feel like that's the front teams need to be looking into.