On May 01 2018 05:57 spacecoke wrote:
I suspect VP lost on purpose to Na'Vi because they share the same owner. VP's picks are extremely countered by Na'Vis according to dota counter app.

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i... wtf?

the bear jew

United States3674 Posts

April 30 2018 21:20 GMT

#5122

Dream of Top 2 of group is still alive!

Conjurusrex2002

46 Posts

April 30 2018 21:38 GMT

#5123

On May 01 2018 05:57 spacecoke wrote:
I suspect VP lost on purpose to Na'Vi because they share the same owner. VP's picks are extremely countered by Na'Vis according to dota counter app.

Edit: But if they didn't, then props to Na'Vi.

Ehhh, for sure not what happened lol. Credit due.

hunter_x

Germany2762 Posts

April 30 2018 23:11 GMT

#5124

Awesome series and especially game 3 from Navi. They looked like a real team for once;)

arghyad1

India243 Posts

May 01 2018 02:20 GMT

#5125

Na'vi seems to be specializing in winning full BO3 series. Yesterday their last game vs Secret was almost perfect and today vs VP (though I could not see this 1, but LD comments telling me they did pretty well). Also their only loss this tourney has been a straight out 2 game series that did not make it to the 3rd game.

So either 2-0 Na'vi or don't beat them at all..?

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

May 01 2018 03:38 GMT

#5126

Cool wi and congrats! Hope the upset is not due to streaky form. I'd be happier if they show consistency, like constantly beating tier 2s, constantly putting up a fight (although losing) against tier 1s etc.

nayumi

Australia6499 Posts

May 01 2018 04:08 GMT

#5127

On May 01 2018 12:38 DucK- wrote:
Cool wi and congrats! Hope the upset is not due to streaky form. I'd be happier if they show consistency, like constantly beating tier 2s, constantly putting up a fight (although losing) against tier 1s etc.

i think in dota everything starts off with a streak... because you then realise what youve done right or wrong and continue capitalising on...

for the past 2 days i can see their drafting has been much better... they are comfortable trying out Zeus, WR .etc while getting results... also getting better at sticking with their game plan and not tilted... in g3 they were 0 5 down with 3k behind in the first 10 mins... everyone expected a 16 mins gg but the boys knew exactly what their lineup was capable of and worked with that...

Conjurusrex2002

46 Posts

May 01 2018 06:13 GMT

#5128

Agreed. We executed OUR game plan and applied the preasure on our terms. If we beat newbee in next series we pretty much lock up a playoff spot and give ourselves a really good chance of top 2 upper bracket.

Racket

3023 Posts

May 01 2018 07:35 GMT

#5129

I still don't buy it. If they show consistency for some weeks, then we are good. It is nice to watch them win but this could just be some luck of the draw, hope it is not.

arghyad1

India243 Posts

May 01 2018 10:02 GMT

#5130

On May 01 2018 16:35 Racket wrote:
I still don't buy it. If they show consistency for some weeks, then we are good. It is nice to watch them win but this could just be some luck of the draw, hope it is not.

Na'vi beat Secret and VP on consecutive days, which are 2 of the top 3 DPC point holders. Whatever it is that Na'vi got going it is definitely not luck of the draw.

But the wins still might be fluke. There might still be 2 more tier 2 teams that Na'vi face in this tournament. Those 2 games might give us an indication of how good Na'vi is actually playing right now. If they beat them convincingly like tier 1's should, then they might actually be on the up.

Faruko

Chile34171 Posts

May 01 2018 12:11 GMT

#5131

Give my biy crystallize heroes that do shit and they have a good combo, they have great success with that, also lil getting a lot more involved with lesh and slardar

Bisu-Fan

Russian Federation3329 Posts

May 01 2018 16:00 GMT

#5132

my goodness of course we lose to Newbee :/ lolll

Racket

3023 Posts

May 01 2018 16:56 GMT

#5133

Well, even if they lose to Pain, as long as Secret and Newbee lose they qualify. Hopefully they win and not depend on others.

Conjurusrex2002

46 Posts

May 01 2018 17:01 GMT

#5134

Tough loss. Such a big deal having been able to lock up a top two finish and get into upper bracket bo3s. We’re definitely favorites to get 3-4, but bo1 lower bracket is brutal. We’ve shown we can win any game but also lose any game.

Archeon

3253 Posts

May 01 2018 22:08 GMT

#5135

Same, VP's and Secret's performance really didn't convince me. Secret's game 1 draft was beyond wonky f.e. Considering the last results of epicenter it's fairly safe to say that some stronger teams just tried stuff out because the patch just came out.

Not trying to take away that Navi is playing way better than ever since they kicked Sonneiko and lost Rodjer, the Navi of the last few tournaments wouldnt have won game 3 vs Secret nor give Newbee a challenge.
But I think it's too soon to say whether they aren't just back to being a mid-level team profiting from the chaos of the early patch or are actually a team that could take a top tier team down mid patch.

It was still fun seeing them win vs Secret, I hope it lasts.

Rebs

Pakistan10726 Posts

May 02 2018 14:26 GMT

#5136

On May 02 2018 02:01 Conjurusrex2002 wrote:
Tough loss. Such a big deal having been able to lock up a top two finish and get into upper bracket bo3s. We’re definitely favorites to get 3-4, but bo1 lower bracket is brutal. We’ve shown we can win any game but also lose any game.

ehmm there is every chance of losing to Pain aswell and just getting knocked out.

Faruko

Chile34171 Posts

May 02 2018 14:46 GMT

#5137

yah, bye bye epicenter

Faruko

Chile34171 Posts

May 02 2018 14:53 GMT

#5138

i think the problem with navi is that they are bad but they just don't know it 🤔

Salazarz

Korea (South)2591 Posts

May 02 2018 14:59 GMT

#5139

So we beat VP & Secret to get knocked out by Brazil? Man, can't even be mad any more at this stuff.

Racket

3023 Posts

May 02 2018 15:03 GMT

#5140

On May 01 2018 19:02 arghyad1 wrote:

Show nested quote +

Now you get what I meant?

They are not consistent. Winning against VP and Secret means nothing if don't get out of group stage..

Lucky days ended in wins we never saw coming. Normal days ended like they normally do, with NaVi losing to anyone.

The only thing that bothers me about all this is that those two wins will likely postpone the so much needed change in the team dynamic.