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the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-23 14:05:54
April 23 2017 14:05 GMT
#4441
On April 23 2017 08:28 midou wrote:
Again draft wins and losses.


The draft wasn't awful game 3, they just didn't use their burst right, nightstalker took all the damage, died and then 3 or 4 of navi died. And Dendi Lina did not get off his ult most fights. I love Dendi and he's shown he is still good, but he did not have a good day at all.

That said, I'm not giving up on them yet.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3338 Posts
April 30 2017 23:45 GMT
#4442
Chances of reso coming to navi and pajkatt becoming coach/sub? Back to the TI3 squad comp of 4 cis +1. reso and pajkatt were together for dc, and it'd be a shame to see pajkatt leave the team completely
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
May 01 2017 00:51 GMT
#4443
DreamLeague is in 3 days boys Should be some good doto coming up...

Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
May 01 2017 04:14 GMT
#4444
On May 01 2017 08:45 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Chances of reso coming to navi and pajkatt becoming coach/sub? Back to the TI3 squad comp of 4 cis +1. reso and pajkatt were together for dc, and it'd be a shame to see pajkatt leave the team completely


Who drafts/captains though...

Sonneiko didn't feel comfortable with it. Best bet is still to go for what they originally wanted and should have been:

1. Reso
2. Dendi
3. General
4. Sonneiko
5. The Hallowed One
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
May 02 2017 11:25 GMT
#4445
On May 01 2017 13:14 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2017 08:45 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Chances of reso coming to navi and pajkatt becoming coach/sub? Back to the TI3 squad comp of 4 cis +1. reso and pajkatt were together for dc, and it'd be a shame to see pajkatt leave the team completely


Who drafts/captains though...

Sonneiko didn't feel comfortable with it. Best bet is still to go for what they originally wanted and should have been:

1. Reso
2. Dendi
3. General
4. Sonneiko
5. The Hallowed One

So much win!!
lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
May 02 2017 11:50 GMT
#4446
that would be ez TI7-10
fromis_9 enjoyer
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
May 04 2017 18:47 GMT
#4447
Meh
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3338 Posts
May 04 2017 18:53 GMT
#4448
Barring one teamfight that lost them the game in the first, I'd say overall ok results. Theyll have to be much better soon and hopefully the bootcamp allows them to get better. General was so good in the second game holy moly.
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-04 21:07:33
May 04 2017 21:04 GMT
#4449
On May 05 2017 03:53 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Barring one teamfight that lost them the game in the first, I'd say overall ok results. Theyll have to be much better soon and hopefully the bootcamp allows them to get better. General was so good in the second game holy moly.

Yes no and yes. With Paj I always get the feeling they are a headless chicken. Like with PSM but with some wind pushing them forward.

Edit: Let me clarify. It seems like there is no real direction, something like: hey supports make us get some advantages wherever you think you can do it, hey cores, if we actually get an advantage lets try do something with it, and if we get no advantage lets try it anyway...
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3338 Posts
May 04 2017 21:24 GMT
#4450
On May 05 2017 06:04 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2017 03:53 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Barring one teamfight that lost them the game in the first, I'd say overall ok results. Theyll have to be much better soon and hopefully the bootcamp allows them to get better. General was so good in the second game holy moly.

Yes no and yes. With Paj I always get the feeling they are a headless chicken. Like with PSM but with some wind pushing them forward.

Edit: Let me clarify. It seems like there is no real direction, something like: hey supports make us get some advantages wherever you think you can do it, hey cores, if we actually get an advantage lets try do something with it, and if we get no advantage lets try it anyway...

It's like looking at the games at my skill level! Supports know they should be roaming and doing something but not exactly sure what. While watching the games, I could just tell that those movements would put them behind against a team like OG
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
May 05 2017 06:34 GMT
#4451
On May 05 2017 06:24 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2017 06:04 Racket wrote:
On May 05 2017 03:53 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Barring one teamfight that lost them the game in the first, I'd say overall ok results. Theyll have to be much better soon and hopefully the bootcamp allows them to get better. General was so good in the second game holy moly.

Yes no and yes. With Paj I always get the feeling they are a headless chicken. Like with PSM but with some wind pushing them forward.

Edit: Let me clarify. It seems like there is no real direction, something like: hey supports make us get some advantages wherever you think you can do it, hey cores, if we actually get an advantage lets try do something with it, and if we get no advantage lets try it anyway...

It's like looking at the games at my skill level! Supports know they should be roaming and doing something but not exactly sure what. While watching the games, I could just tell that those movements would put them behind against a team like OG

Yea, sadly that is the problem NaVi had for like the last 3 years (not counting ArtStyle). Hope it gets better, because planning on winning just by getting an advantage early game and using it to "do something" later on seems quite plain to work in the current state of Dota.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
May 05 2017 07:46 GMT
#4452
On May 05 2017 06:04 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2017 03:53 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Barring one teamfight that lost them the game in the first, I'd say overall ok results. Theyll have to be much better soon and hopefully the bootcamp allows them to get better. General was so good in the second game holy moly.

Yes no and yes. With Paj I always get the feeling they are a headless chicken. Like with PSM but with some wind pushing them forward.

Edit: Let me clarify. It seems like there is no real direction, something like: hey supports make us get some advantages wherever you think you can do it, hey cores, if we actually get an advantage lets try do something with it, and if we get no advantage lets try it anyway...


Heh anyone is better than PSM. Ay pajkatt clearly should go but then we have no one to lead. Biver has proven himself but sadly the need for a leader is more important. Both should leave imo.

Sometimes I wonder if sqreen would work haha
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
May 05 2017 08:10 GMT
#4453
On May 05 2017 16:46 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2017 06:04 Racket wrote:
On May 05 2017 03:53 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Barring one teamfight that lost them the game in the first, I'd say overall ok results. Theyll have to be much better soon and hopefully the bootcamp allows them to get better. General was so good in the second game holy moly.

Yes no and yes. With Paj I always get the feeling they are a headless chicken. Like with PSM but with some wind pushing them forward.

Edit: Let me clarify. It seems like there is no real direction, something like: hey supports make us get some advantages wherever you think you can do it, hey cores, if we actually get an advantage lets try do something with it, and if we get no advantage lets try it anyway...


Heh anyone is better than PSM. Ay pajkatt clearly should go but then we have no one to lead. Biver has proven himself but sadly the need for a leader is more important. Both should leave imo.

Sometimes I wonder if sqreen would work haha

I don't know anymore. I think it is more likely for Dendi to switch to the offlane than for NaVi to find the right captain. If you know what I mean.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
May 05 2017 09:26 GMT
#4454
On May 05 2017 17:10 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2017 16:46 DucK- wrote:
On May 05 2017 06:04 Racket wrote:
On May 05 2017 03:53 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Barring one teamfight that lost them the game in the first, I'd say overall ok results. Theyll have to be much better soon and hopefully the bootcamp allows them to get better. General was so good in the second game holy moly.

Yes no and yes. With Paj I always get the feeling they are a headless chicken. Like with PSM but with some wind pushing them forward.

Edit: Let me clarify. It seems like there is no real direction, something like: hey supports make us get some advantages wherever you think you can do it, hey cores, if we actually get an advantage lets try do something with it, and if we get no advantage lets try it anyway...


Heh anyone is better than PSM. Ay pajkatt clearly should go but then we have no one to lead. Biver has proven himself but sadly the need for a leader is more important. Both should leave imo.

Sometimes I wonder if sqreen would work haha

I don't know anymore. I think it is more likely for Dendi to switch to the offlane than for NaVi to find the right captain. If you know what I mean.


What about general though
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
May 05 2017 14:18 GMT
#4455
On May 05 2017 18:26 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2017 17:10 Racket wrote:
On May 05 2017 16:46 DucK- wrote:
On May 05 2017 06:04 Racket wrote:
On May 05 2017 03:53 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Barring one teamfight that lost them the game in the first, I'd say overall ok results. Theyll have to be much better soon and hopefully the bootcamp allows them to get better. General was so good in the second game holy moly.

Yes no and yes. With Paj I always get the feeling they are a headless chicken. Like with PSM but with some wind pushing them forward.

Edit: Let me clarify. It seems like there is no real direction, something like: hey supports make us get some advantages wherever you think you can do it, hey cores, if we actually get an advantage lets try do something with it, and if we get no advantage lets try it anyway...


Heh anyone is better than PSM. Ay pajkatt clearly should go but then we have no one to lead. Biver has proven himself but sadly the need for a leader is more important. Both should leave imo.

Sometimes I wonder if sqreen would work haha

I don't know anymore. I think it is more likely for Dendi to switch to the offlane than for NaVi to find the right captain. If you know what I mean.


What about general though

GeneRaL could go mid, I don't know, I am just focusing on Dendi.
I cannot deny that even tho Dendi has what it takes to do whatever is needed from him, he just does not do it. That is plain.
He sees himself (and is) a playmaker and does not take as much as farm as he should (as shown by other teams). Every successful team has a mid player who takes either pos 1 or is on par with it. He is not doing that, he has not been doing that for the last year or more.
He is the same kind of player s4 is. If he were to mirror him and go offlane, a more selfish player could take the mid and make NaVi fit the current game dynamics.
What Ana did for OG in the last game against VP isn't anything out of the ordinary, right-click+BKB. The only thing Ana did that Dendi wouldn't have done is take that much farm from the team.
I believe this is one of the reasons NaVi struggle so much, even without matching the current dynamics they can do more than many other teams there but nothing compared to the likes of Liquid/OG.

If he wants so much to make plays and gank and help the team, the offlane is where he should go. And the new mid could abandon the team instead. Right now he does not farm to go gank or help the team in some way, losing in the process that much need farm.
I don't think we will see that anytime soon.
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
May 05 2017 21:38 GMT
#4456
Here's the sequence of events I'd like to see happen. Pie-cat is gone, Sonneiko mans up and takes over captaining, and Navi goes back to their tried and true tactic of poaching Team Empire players by filling the 1 position with Chappie who is looking pretty hot right now. Then hope for another separate CIS region qualifier for TI where they'll only have to worry about beating Vega Squadron because Virtus Pro will get a direct invite. Then Dondo won't have to miss a TI.
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
_Elendil
Profile Joined July 2016
Italy192 Posts
May 07 2017 15:39 GMT
#4457
Incredible, a Na'Vi iteration that's even worse than PSM one.
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
May 07 2017 20:20 GMT
#4458
Well I'm watching the rematch of Navi vs Vega right now. Vega's dominant performance this morning is turning into a feed train of Afterlife, G, and Cema.
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
May 07 2017 20:27 GMT
#4459
"get out of my game"
There can only be one Geisterkarle
_Elendil
Profile Joined July 2016
Italy192 Posts
May 07 2017 20:31 GMT
#4460
On May 08 2017 05:20 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
Well I'm watching the rematch of Navi vs Vega right now. Vega's dominant performance this morning is turning into a feed train of Afterlife, G, and Cema.


Weird. Na'Vi lost 3 games in a row, and badly. Then apparently Na'Vi players had their coffees, finally.
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