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On September 10 2012 04:35 ChrisXIV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 04:26 Shikyo wrote:On September 10 2012 04:21 ChrisXIV wrote:On September 10 2012 04:12 Kipsate wrote:
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NS is in that game aswell.
As for PA and her laning
Well if you compare any melee laning hero to Naga then yeah they will suck, but compared to Faceless Void or AM she has much stronger laning. She has kill potential much sooner then other heroes and the ability to farm(with dagger) while other carries are unable to. I don't see it. I don't lose the laning phase with other carries that hard, and I play a lot of them. If you have to resort to using Dagger as your only way to farm, you've already lost imo. you've already lost on other carries than PA. Also sometimes you just can't run up to get the lasthit vs like a double stunner lane or a trilane but you can with PA .. Also you ignored the thing about kill potential, as I've said PA has super strong gank assist Yeah, I've lost. But I'm 10-3 with Juggernaut, 10-5 with DK, 5-4 with AM, 7-4 with Naga, 7-5 with Riki, 5-2 with Spectre, 13-10 with FV...etc etc. The games I've won I won them by getting fed in lane i.e. winning it hard. I'm 5-11 with PA. And I didn't ignore it. I said "I don't see it". I still don't. Yeah, 4 seconds slow is awesome, but if nobody ganks the lane it does shit-all. And ganking with her is way too risky against most lineups.
What on earth you talking about o_O
I think you need to read our posts again, I'm thinking you're missing something. Also I don't think you mentioned the gank assist at all. It also helps if your lane partner stuns or slows them(or attacks in any way). You can't really expect solo kills in DotA laning anyway.
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On September 10 2012 04:47 Shikyo wrote:
You can't really expect solo kills in DotA laning anyway.
Eh, what?
This happens often.
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On September 10 2012 04:47 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 04:35 ChrisXIV wrote:On September 10 2012 04:26 Shikyo wrote:On September 10 2012 04:21 ChrisXIV wrote:On September 10 2012 04:12 Kipsate wrote:
^
NS is in that game aswell.
As for PA and her laning
Well if you compare any melee laning hero to Naga then yeah they will suck, but compared to Faceless Void or AM she has much stronger laning. She has kill potential much sooner then other heroes and the ability to farm(with dagger) while other carries are unable to. I don't see it. I don't lose the laning phase with other carries that hard, and I play a lot of them. If you have to resort to using Dagger as your only way to farm, you've already lost imo. you've already lost on other carries than PA. Also sometimes you just can't run up to get the lasthit vs like a double stunner lane or a trilane but you can with PA .. Also you ignored the thing about kill potential, as I've said PA has super strong gank assist Yeah, I've lost. But I'm 10-3 with Juggernaut, 10-5 with DK, 5-4 with AM, 7-4 with Naga, 7-5 with Riki, 5-2 with Spectre, 13-10 with FV...etc etc. The games I've won I won them by getting fed in lane i.e. winning it hard. I'm 5-11 with PA. And I didn't ignore it. I said "I don't see it". I still don't. Yeah, 4 seconds slow is awesome, but if nobody ganks the lane it does shit-all. And ganking with her is way too risky against most lineups. What on earth you talking about o_O I think you need to read our posts again, I'm thinking you're missing something. Also I don't think you mentioned the gank assist at all. It also helps if your lane partner stuns or slows them(or attacks in any way). You can't really expect solo kills in DotA laning anyway.
What do you not understand.
1) You say I've lost with others. I agree and post the winrates, showing that they are way higher than the one of PA. I already adressed the second part about farming with dagger in my previous post.
2) I'm not missing anything.
3) I don't need to mention it specifically if I disagree with the entire post, do I? Maybe it wasn't obvious, but "I don't see it" was aimed at PA having strong laning.
4) Duh, of course it helps, but again - I'm usually up against kill lanes and nobody wants to gank that. Better farm that Radiance on Enigma.
5) I get so many solo kills in lane...
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did some small study on why vietnamese dota is so bad recently. Turn out as the biggest community website VNB got bought out by Garena into GarenaVN, they were pretty much forced to play LoL as a lot of pillar in the community switched :-/... Main line up of StarBoba also now playing LoL and just won SEA LoL WCG or sm shit 
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On September 10 2012 04:54 ChrisXIV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 04:47 Shikyo wrote:On September 10 2012 04:35 ChrisXIV wrote:On September 10 2012 04:26 Shikyo wrote:On September 10 2012 04:21 ChrisXIV wrote:On September 10 2012 04:12 Kipsate wrote:
^
NS is in that game aswell.
As for PA and her laning
Well if you compare any melee laning hero to Naga then yeah they will suck, but compared to Faceless Void or AM she has much stronger laning. She has kill potential much sooner then other heroes and the ability to farm(with dagger) while other carries are unable to. I don't see it. I don't lose the laning phase with other carries that hard, and I play a lot of them. If you have to resort to using Dagger as your only way to farm, you've already lost imo. you've already lost on other carries than PA. Also sometimes you just can't run up to get the lasthit vs like a double stunner lane or a trilane but you can with PA .. Also you ignored the thing about kill potential, as I've said PA has super strong gank assist Yeah, I've lost. But I'm 10-3 with Juggernaut, 10-5 with DK, 5-4 with AM, 7-4 with Naga, 7-5 with Riki, 5-2 with Spectre, 13-10 with FV...etc etc. The games I've won I won them by getting fed in lane i.e. winning it hard. I'm 5-11 with PA. And I didn't ignore it. I said "I don't see it". I still don't. Yeah, 4 seconds slow is awesome, but if nobody ganks the lane it does shit-all. And ganking with her is way too risky against most lineups. What on earth you talking about o_O I think you need to read our posts again, I'm thinking you're missing something. Also I don't think you mentioned the gank assist at all. It also helps if your lane partner stuns or slows them(or attacks in any way). You can't really expect solo kills in DotA laning anyway. What do you not understand. 1) You say I've lost with others. I agree and post the winrates, showing that they are way higher than the one of PA. I already adressed the second part about farming with dagger in my previous post. 2) I'm not missing anything. 3) I don't need to mention it specifically if I disagree with the entire post, do I? Maybe it wasn't obvious, but "I don't see it" was aimed at PA having strong laning. 4) Duh, of course it helps, but again - I'm usually up against kill lanes and nobody wants to gank that. Better farm that Radiance on Enigma. 5) I get so many solo kills in lane...
1. The fact that I wasnt saying that, but was instead saying that in those scenarios you've lost the lane with other hardcarries but not with PA who can still get farm until the situation gets better.
The word "you" used as a passive.
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If your only farm is from stifling dagger, that's not a won lane at all. Even if it's some farm that some other carries wouldn't have gotten, it's definitely not a won lane.
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On September 10 2012 05:12 Unleashing wrote:
If your only farm is from stifling dagger, that's not a won lane at all. Even if it's some farm that some other carries wouldn't have gotten, it's definitely not a won lane.
Thanks mister theorycraft, I'm talking about actual situations.
Namely, in what situations will that be your ONLY farm? And in what situations when it's your only farm when is the lane not won? We're talking about the easy lane here, the one that's pullable. I'm also not sure what you mean with a won lane. Lane can be something other than "won" or "lost" you know.
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rumor: quantic picked up broodstar after mikey left......
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Lalalaland34505 Posts
Can we get off the PA bandwaggon...............T_T
you'd think we were discussing world hunger or something
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On September 10 2012 05:06 NB wrote:did some small study on why vietnamese dota is so bad recently. Turn out as the biggest community website VNB got bought out by Garena into GarenaVN, they were pretty much forced to play LoL as a lot of pillar in the community switched :-/... Main line up of StarBoba also now playing LoL and just won SEA LoL WCG or sm shit
How big was the scene to begin with?
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Bfury is fine on wr and on medusa. Not optimal or suitable for competitive but for pub its kay.
PA is very funny to play when you win, but so is Huskar :D (achevied 800+gpm with huskar)
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On September 10 2012 05:18 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 05:12 Unleashing wrote:
If your only farm is from stifling dagger, that's not a won lane at all. Even if it's some farm that some other carries wouldn't have gotten, it's definitely not a won lane. Thanks mister theorycraft, I'm talking about actual situations. Namely, in what situations will that be your ONLY farm? And in what situations when it's your only farm when is the lane not won? We're talking about the easy lane here, the one that's pullable. I'm also not sure what you mean with a won lane. Lane can be something other than "won" or "lost" you know.
If you can get farm that isn't from stifling dagger, then so could other carries.
Dagger is nice, but it doesn't win a lane if you have to resort to that for all last hits.
On September 10 2012 05:11 Shikyo wrote:but was instead saying that in those scenarios you've lost the lane with other hardcarries but not with PA who can still get farm until the situation gets better.
If you for an extended period of time is forced to resort to the dagger, then yes it's better than nothing, but it's still not good.
Pulling can be stopped and isn't risk-free, FYI.
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This thread sucks lately
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PAIKYO vs the world ruined it
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Hmmm and here I was thinking it's become a lot more active lately~ And yeah Stifling Daggers is just going to be a bonus, it could be the difference between 50 vs 65 lasthits at 10min for instance on a relatively tough lane. It also helps when something screws up your lasthitting at the tower, and if you need to sideshop you can snipe an extra creep you might've missed, and so on.
I guess I'll continue trying to become non-awful at Void ...
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Did i hear that TL sign Potm Bottom?!
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On September 10 2012 06:06 BurningSera wrote:
Did i hear that TL sign Potm Bottom?!
either you post a source or you gtfo.
okay maybe thats a little too intense, but dont toy with my heart here ((
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Oi don't say that kind of stuff without proof.
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On September 10 2012 06:08 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 06:06 BurningSera wrote:
Did i hear that TL sign Potm Bottom?! either you post a source or you gtfo. okay maybe thats a little too intense, but dont toy with my heart here ((
TITS or gtfo ! ....oh, or proof
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Oke this thread just turned to shit, don't spread rumors unless you have a credible source.
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EPT
