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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
April 04 2012 17:42 GMT
#6661
beautiful play by WW on that sand king! loving it.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
April 04 2012 17:42 GMT
#6662
On April 05 2012 02:28 dtz wrote:
US east is something like 280-300 for AL and 120 for EU teams though on average.

US west is like 250 for AL and 200 for EU.

In any case , this is an age old argument and there is no way to answer this outside of LAN. Anything else is baseless and hypothetical.

edit : btw ww vs devilmice is quite a terrible game :S

this ^^ australians have shitty pings regardless of the server. the whole "but euros aren't used to lag" is bullshit. they play a ton on all different types of servers, and still have a better ping than the aussies. you cant "get used" to lag. if you're fighting a lane and someone has a 100 ping and you have 300, it's pretty much impossible to win last hit wise unless your hero has an innate advantage (like laning an OD vs an int hero or whatever). if the aussies could play on a 100 ping they'd rape the euro teams even harder than they are now
Writer
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
April 04 2012 17:42 GMT
#6663
On April 05 2012 02:37 dragonborn wrote:
next star series match is EG vs dignitas.

im interest in EG's roster, even with stand ins.


Lol, its not a roster if its stand-ins. It's like a pro-level IH match then.
Never make a hydralisk.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
April 04 2012 17:45 GMT
#6664
On April 05 2012 02:42 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 02:28 dtz wrote:
US east is something like 280-300 for AL and 120 for EU teams though on average.

US west is like 250 for AL and 200 for EU.

In any case , this is an age old argument and there is no way to answer this outside of LAN. Anything else is baseless and hypothetical.

edit : btw ww vs devilmice is quite a terrible game :S

this ^^ australians have shitty pings regardless of the server. the whole "but euros aren't used to lag" is bullshit. they play a ton on all different types of servers, and still have a better ping than the aussies. you cant "get used" to lag. if you're fighting a lane and someone has a 100 ping and you have 300, it's pretty much impossible to win last hit wise unless your hero has an innate advantage (like laning an OD vs an int hero or whatever). if the aussies could play on a 100 ping they'd rape the euro teams even harder than they are now


Ignoring the fact that you are most probably biased

1.) when 2 players with high ping lane each other, who will win the one who always plays on lag or the one who always plays on <50ms
2.) many european player just lose any motivation when they play with such a delay, while it is completly normal for australian.
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
April 04 2012 17:48 GMT
#6665
God I forgot how fun Storm Spirit is with a stacked Bloodstone
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
April 04 2012 17:49 GMT
#6666
On April 05 2012 02:45 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 02:42 Kiante wrote:
On April 05 2012 02:28 dtz wrote:
US east is something like 280-300 for AL and 120 for EU teams though on average.

US west is like 250 for AL and 200 for EU.

In any case , this is an age old argument and there is no way to answer this outside of LAN. Anything else is baseless and hypothetical.

edit : btw ww vs devilmice is quite a terrible game :S

this ^^ australians have shitty pings regardless of the server. the whole "but euros aren't used to lag" is bullshit. they play a ton on all different types of servers, and still have a better ping than the aussies. you cant "get used" to lag. if you're fighting a lane and someone has a 100 ping and you have 300, it's pretty much impossible to win last hit wise unless your hero has an innate advantage (like laning an OD vs an int hero or whatever). if the aussies could play on a 100 ping they'd rape the euro teams even harder than they are now


Ignoring the fact that you are most probably biased

1.) when 2 players with high ping lane each other, who will win the one who always plays on lag or the one who always plays on <50ms
2.) many european player just lose any motivation when they play with such a delay, while it is completly normal for australian.

they get paid to play (well, some). they're playing in a tournament that can/will win them money if they're good enough. they know ahead of time what server they'll be playing on. there's no excuse. if they lost because "they weren't used to lag" they were the inferior team plain and simple. i'm so sick of europeans having a cry about lag honestly
Writer
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 17:58:30
April 04 2012 17:53 GMT
#6667
On April 05 2012 02:49 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 02:45 Yoshi- wrote:
On April 05 2012 02:42 Kiante wrote:
On April 05 2012 02:28 dtz wrote:
US east is something like 280-300 for AL and 120 for EU teams though on average.

US west is like 250 for AL and 200 for EU.

In any case , this is an age old argument and there is no way to answer this outside of LAN. Anything else is baseless and hypothetical.

edit : btw ww vs devilmice is quite a terrible game :S

this ^^ australians have shitty pings regardless of the server. the whole "but euros aren't used to lag" is bullshit. they play a ton on all different types of servers, and still have a better ping than the aussies. you cant "get used" to lag. if you're fighting a lane and someone has a 100 ping and you have 300, it's pretty much impossible to win last hit wise unless your hero has an innate advantage (like laning an OD vs an int hero or whatever). if the aussies could play on a 100 ping they'd rape the euro teams even harder than they are now


Ignoring the fact that you are most probably biased

1.) when 2 players with high ping lane each other, who will win the one who always plays on lag or the one who always plays on <50ms
2.) many european player just lose any motivation when they play with such a delay, while it is completly normal for australian.

they get paid to play (well, some). they're playing in a tournament that can/will win them money if they're good enough. they know ahead of time what server they'll be playing on. there's no excuse. if they lost because "they weren't used to lag" they were the inferior team plain and simple. i'm so sick of europeans having a cry about lag honestly

Most team don't even get paid to play.

Okay since lag doesn't matter. Just play all games on useast since they get paid to play (well, some). they're playing in a tournament that can/will win them money if they're good enough. they know ahead of time what server they'll be playing on. there's no excuse. if they lost because "they weren't used to lag" they were the inferior team plain and simple.

I mean what kind of argument is that?
Shall european teams now play on chinas server all the time, so that nobody gets an advantage by forcing other people to play on unusual ping?
dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
April 04 2012 17:54 GMT
#6668
Noone in CIS community takes AL seriously because they never played on Lan yet. Regardless of their online achievements. This is very common in cs, ql (and was in dota 1) community.
Until they prove themselves on Lan the ping discussions will continue.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 04 2012 17:58 GMT
#6669
Pretty sure WW have 2 Meka's and no pipe?O.o.
WriterXiao8~~
imweakless
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
757 Posts
April 04 2012 18:00 GMT
#6670
if no one takes aL seriously then all teams are irrelevant aside from navi..
KMK,Qri,GsD#1, UEE,stork jangbi for life!
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
April 04 2012 18:04 GMT
#6671
lol at random ravage.
dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
April 04 2012 18:04 GMT
#6672
On April 05 2012 03:00 imweakless wrote:
if no one takes aL seriously then all teams are irrelevant aside from navi..

Basicly thats true, dota 1 showed that only lan matters, a lot of people still think that way.
AL are unique in this situation because they force other teams to play on high ping due to their geographic location.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 18:12:39
April 04 2012 18:10 GMT
#6673
On April 05 2012 03:04 dfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 03:00 imweakless wrote:
if no one takes aL seriously then all teams are irrelevant aside from navi..

Basicly thats true, dota 1 showed that only lan matters, a lot of people still think that way.
AL are unique in this situation because they force other teams to play on high ping due to their geographic location.


That's very true. DTS / Navi used to not be a strong team online but was no doubt the best in Europe for dota 1.

What Dota 1 also showed is that a lot of EU teams can be really overrated due to their high visibility ( or SEA teams underrated) as shown in ESWC. Even worse was MYM's pathetic SMM display where they couldn't even get out of the group stage , losing to a B-tier Malaysian Team whom no one has ever heard before.

That said, dota 2 is different as it feels like more teams are really putting in a lot of effort. So it's really unwise to say this team is definitely better than that team etc. No one really knows how good each teams are especially those from different regions.
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
April 04 2012 18:12 GMT
#6674
what game is everyone watching???? starladder stream is still in pregame for a game i don't know which teams are playing...
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
eqez
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden837 Posts
April 04 2012 18:12 GMT
#6675
On April 05 2012 02:42 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 02:28 dtz wrote:
US east is something like 280-300 for AL and 120 for EU teams though on average.

US west is like 250 for AL and 200 for EU.

In any case , this is an age old argument and there is no way to answer this outside of LAN. Anything else is baseless and hypothetical.

edit : btw ww vs devilmice is quite a terrible game :S

this ^^ australians have shitty pings regardless of the server. the whole "but euros aren't used to lag" is bullshit. they play a ton on all different types of servers, and still have a better ping than the aussies. you cant "get used" to lag. if you're fighting a lane and someone has a 100 ping and you have 300, it's pretty much impossible to win last hit wise unless your hero has an innate advantage (like laning an OD vs an int hero or whatever). if the aussies could play on a 100 ping they'd rape the euro teams even harder than they are now


Why even bother getting used to play with over 100 ping?

All teams final goal is to perform on LAN events, and since Valve is gonna implement LAN to Dota2 the ping will be 0-5. So tell me, why should teams play with over 100 ping?

( I choose 100 cause thats the limit where it effects my play )
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
April 04 2012 18:13 GMT
#6676
On April 05 2012 03:12 zeehar wrote:
what game is everyone watching???? starladder stream is still in pregame for a game i don't know which teams are playing...

WW vs PR will happen
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 18:15:35
April 04 2012 18:15 GMT
#6677
On April 05 2012 03:12 eqez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 02:42 Kiante wrote:
On April 05 2012 02:28 dtz wrote:
US east is something like 280-300 for AL and 120 for EU teams though on average.

US west is like 250 for AL and 200 for EU.

In any case , this is an age old argument and there is no way to answer this outside of LAN. Anything else is baseless and hypothetical.

edit : btw ww vs devilmice is quite a terrible game :S

this ^^ australians have shitty pings regardless of the server. the whole "but euros aren't used to lag" is bullshit. they play a ton on all different types of servers, and still have a better ping than the aussies. you cant "get used" to lag. if you're fighting a lane and someone has a 100 ping and you have 300, it's pretty much impossible to win last hit wise unless your hero has an innate advantage (like laning an OD vs an int hero or whatever). if the aussies could play on a 100 ping they'd rape the euro teams even harder than they are now


Why even bother getting used to play with over 100 ping?

All teams final goal is to perform on LAN events, and since Valve is gonna implement LAN to Dota2 the ping will be 0-5. So tell me, why should teams play with over 100 ping?

( I choose 100 cause thats the limit where it effects my play )


i really want to know what less than 100 ping feels like... i live in korea ATM and singapore is the best server for me at about 150. i really don't notice a difference up until 250, after that you really do start noticing the delay between commands. though LH still isn't really affected up until past 300
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 04 2012 18:15 GMT
#6678
On April 05 2012 03:12 eqez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 02:42 Kiante wrote:
On April 05 2012 02:28 dtz wrote:
US east is something like 280-300 for AL and 120 for EU teams though on average.

US west is like 250 for AL and 200 for EU.

In any case , this is an age old argument and there is no way to answer this outside of LAN. Anything else is baseless and hypothetical.

edit : btw ww vs devilmice is quite a terrible game :S

this ^^ australians have shitty pings regardless of the server. the whole "but euros aren't used to lag" is bullshit. they play a ton on all different types of servers, and still have a better ping than the aussies. you cant "get used" to lag. if you're fighting a lane and someone has a 100 ping and you have 300, it's pretty much impossible to win last hit wise unless your hero has an innate advantage (like laning an OD vs an int hero or whatever). if the aussies could play on a 100 ping they'd rape the euro teams even harder than they are now


Why even bother getting used to play with over 100 ping?

All teams final goal is to perform on LAN events, and since Valve is gonna implement LAN to Dota2 the ping will be 0-5. So tell me, why should teams play with over 100 ping?

( I choose 100 cause thats the limit where it effects my play )

Because there's a lot of money to win in 100-ping events ?
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 18:18:52
April 04 2012 18:18 GMT
#6679
On April 05 2012 03:15 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 03:12 eqez wrote:
On April 05 2012 02:42 Kiante wrote:
On April 05 2012 02:28 dtz wrote:
US east is something like 280-300 for AL and 120 for EU teams though on average.

US west is like 250 for AL and 200 for EU.

In any case , this is an age old argument and there is no way to answer this outside of LAN. Anything else is baseless and hypothetical.

edit : btw ww vs devilmice is quite a terrible game :S

this ^^ australians have shitty pings regardless of the server. the whole "but euros aren't used to lag" is bullshit. they play a ton on all different types of servers, and still have a better ping than the aussies. you cant "get used" to lag. if you're fighting a lane and someone has a 100 ping and you have 300, it's pretty much impossible to win last hit wise unless your hero has an innate advantage (like laning an OD vs an int hero or whatever). if the aussies could play on a 100 ping they'd rape the euro teams even harder than they are now


Why even bother getting used to play with over 100 ping?

All teams final goal is to perform on LAN events, and since Valve is gonna implement LAN to Dota2 the ping will be 0-5. So tell me, why should teams play with over 100 ping?

( I choose 100 cause thats the limit where it effects my play )

Because there's a lot of money to win in 100-ping events ?


Not really.
Starladder has only european/american teams
Premierleague too
the defense will most probably also only feature european/american teams
And many tournament now do asian grid and european/american grid. So no interaction at all.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 04 2012 18:20 GMT
#6680
Leave the poor aussies alone. Lan is closer than you think. Everything will get in place then.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
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