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crms
United States11933 Posts
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On April 05 2012 02:28 dtz wrote: US east is something like 280-300 for AL and 120 for EU teams though on average. US west is like 250 for AL and 200 for EU. In any case , this is an age old argument and there is no way to answer this outside of LAN. Anything else is baseless and hypothetical. edit : btw ww vs devilmice is quite a terrible game :S this ^^ australians have shitty pings regardless of the server. the whole "but euros aren't used to lag" is bullshit. they play a ton on all different types of servers, and still have a better ping than the aussies. you cant "get used" to lag. if you're fighting a lane and someone has a 100 ping and you have 300, it's pretty much impossible to win last hit wise unless your hero has an innate advantage (like laning an OD vs an int hero or whatever). if the aussies could play on a 100 ping they'd rape the euro teams even harder than they are now | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On April 05 2012 02:37 dragonborn wrote: next star series match is EG vs dignitas. im interest in EG's roster, even with stand ins. Lol, its not a roster if its stand-ins. It's like a pro-level IH match then. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On April 05 2012 02:42 Kiante wrote: this ^^ australians have shitty pings regardless of the server. the whole "but euros aren't used to lag" is bullshit. they play a ton on all different types of servers, and still have a better ping than the aussies. you cant "get used" to lag. if you're fighting a lane and someone has a 100 ping and you have 300, it's pretty much impossible to win last hit wise unless your hero has an innate advantage (like laning an OD vs an int hero or whatever). if the aussies could play on a 100 ping they'd rape the euro teams even harder than they are now Ignoring the fact that you are most probably biased 1.) when 2 players with high ping lane each other, who will win the one who always plays on lag or the one who always plays on <50ms 2.) many european player just lose any motivation when they play with such a delay, while it is completly normal for australian. | ||
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Candadar
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On April 05 2012 02:45 Yoshi- wrote: Ignoring the fact that you are most probably biased 1.) when 2 players with high ping lane each other, who will win the one who always plays on lag or the one who always plays on <50ms 2.) many european player just lose any motivation when they play with such a delay, while it is completly normal for australian. they get paid to play (well, some). they're playing in a tournament that can/will win them money if they're good enough. they know ahead of time what server they'll be playing on. there's no excuse. if they lost because "they weren't used to lag" they were the inferior team plain and simple. i'm so sick of europeans having a cry about lag honestly | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On April 05 2012 02:49 Kiante wrote: they get paid to play (well, some). they're playing in a tournament that can/will win them money if they're good enough. they know ahead of time what server they'll be playing on. there's no excuse. if they lost because "they weren't used to lag" they were the inferior team plain and simple. i'm so sick of europeans having a cry about lag honestly Most team don't even get paid to play. Okay since lag doesn't matter. Just play all games on useast since they get paid to play (well, some). they're playing in a tournament that can/will win them money if they're good enough. they know ahead of time what server they'll be playing on. there's no excuse. if they lost because "they weren't used to lag" they were the inferior team plain and simple. I mean what kind of argument is that? Shall european teams now play on chinas server all the time, so that nobody gets an advantage by forcing other people to play on unusual ping? | ||
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dfs
Russian Federation4050 Posts
Until they prove themselves on Lan the ping discussions will continue. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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imweakless
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dtz
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dfs
Russian Federation4050 Posts
On April 05 2012 03:00 imweakless wrote: if no one takes aL seriously then all teams are irrelevant aside from navi.. Basicly thats true, dota 1 showed that only lan matters, a lot of people still think that way. AL are unique in this situation because they force other teams to play on high ping due to their geographic location. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
On April 05 2012 03:04 dfs wrote: Basicly thats true, dota 1 showed that only lan matters, a lot of people still think that way. AL are unique in this situation because they force other teams to play on high ping due to their geographic location. That's very true. DTS / Navi used to not be a strong team online but was no doubt the best in Europe for dota 1. What Dota 1 also showed is that a lot of EU teams can be really overrated due to their high visibility ( or SEA teams underrated) as shown in ESWC. Even worse was MYM's pathetic SMM display where they couldn't even get out of the group stage , losing to a B-tier Malaysian Team whom no one has ever heard before. That said, dota 2 is different as it feels like more teams are really putting in a lot of effort. So it's really unwise to say this team is definitely better than that team etc. No one really knows how good each teams are especially those from different regions. | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
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eqez
Sweden837 Posts
On April 05 2012 02:42 Kiante wrote: this ^^ australians have shitty pings regardless of the server. the whole "but euros aren't used to lag" is bullshit. they play a ton on all different types of servers, and still have a better ping than the aussies. you cant "get used" to lag. if you're fighting a lane and someone has a 100 ping and you have 300, it's pretty much impossible to win last hit wise unless your hero has an innate advantage (like laning an OD vs an int hero or whatever). if the aussies could play on a 100 ping they'd rape the euro teams even harder than they are now Why even bother getting used to play with over 100 ping? All teams final goal is to perform on LAN events, and since Valve is gonna implement LAN to Dota2 the ping will be 0-5. So tell me, why should teams play with over 100 ping? ( I choose 100 cause thats the limit where it effects my play ) | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On April 05 2012 03:12 zeehar wrote: what game is everyone watching???? starladder stream is still in pregame for a game i don't know which teams are playing... WW vs PR will happen | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On April 05 2012 03:12 eqez wrote: Why even bother getting used to play with over 100 ping? All teams final goal is to perform on LAN events, and since Valve is gonna implement LAN to Dota2 the ping will be 0-5. So tell me, why should teams play with over 100 ping? ( I choose 100 cause thats the limit where it effects my play ) i really want to know what less than 100 ping feels like... i live in korea ATM and singapore is the best server for me at about 150. i really don't notice a difference up until 250, after that you really do start noticing the delay between commands. though LH still isn't really affected up until past 300 | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On April 05 2012 03:12 eqez wrote: Why even bother getting used to play with over 100 ping? All teams final goal is to perform on LAN events, and since Valve is gonna implement LAN to Dota2 the ping will be 0-5. So tell me, why should teams play with over 100 ping? ( I choose 100 cause thats the limit where it effects my play ) Because there's a lot of money to win in 100-ping events ? | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On April 05 2012 03:15 MrCon wrote: Because there's a lot of money to win in 100-ping events ? Not really. Starladder has only european/american teams Premierleague too the defense will most probably also only feature european/american teams And many tournament now do asian grid and european/american grid. So no interaction at all. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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