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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 08 2013 21:19 GMT
#55581
Finally, an excuse to dodge playing with my friends!
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 21:23:25
May 08 2013 21:22 GMT
#55582
On May 09 2013 06:18 eluv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 06:14 kirsed wrote:
I don't understand the point of even having reports if you only get two.

Do you really have actual "reportable" behavior that often in your games? I think they're just trying to send the message that stuff like poor play isn't actually reportable, and leavers are already handled by the system, so they're mostly just looking for the guys that are either actively and obviously trying to feed, or the ones who do nothing but insult everyone in the game, from minute one.

If that's actually happening to you that often, well, I guess I feel sorry for you then.


This same argument as few patches ago. Tell me, when do you report someone in-game or do you even bother?

Never got this "why do you even need X amount of reports anyway" talk.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
May 08 2013 21:23 GMT
#55583
Wonder if all of these different modes will have separate MMR.

Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
May 08 2013 21:23 GMT
#55584
I report people that I don't want to play again with for reasons other than their skill level. I am also very moody so it is not a consistent thing
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 08 2013 21:23 GMT
#55585
On May 09 2013 06:22 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 06:18 eluv wrote:
On May 09 2013 06:14 kirsed wrote:
I don't understand the point of even having reports if you only get two.

Do you really have actual "reportable" behavior that often in your games? I think they're just trying to send the message that stuff like poor play isn't actually reportable, and leavers are already handled by the system, so they're mostly just looking for the guys that are either actively and obviously trying to feed, or the ones who do nothing but insult everyone in the game, from minute one.

If that's actually happening to you that often, well, I guess I feel sorry for you then.


This same argument as few patches ago. Tell me, when do you report someone in-game or do you even bother?

Never got this "why do you even need X amount of reports anyway" talk.

I still like the idea of the number of reports being related to games played. Seems the most logical.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
May 08 2013 21:24 GMT
#55586
On May 09 2013 06:23 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 06:22 Grettin wrote:
On May 09 2013 06:18 eluv wrote:
On May 09 2013 06:14 kirsed wrote:
I don't understand the point of even having reports if you only get two.

Do you really have actual "reportable" behavior that often in your games? I think they're just trying to send the message that stuff like poor play isn't actually reportable, and leavers are already handled by the system, so they're mostly just looking for the guys that are either actively and obviously trying to feed, or the ones who do nothing but insult everyone in the game, from minute one.

If that's actually happening to you that often, well, I guess I feel sorry for you then.


This same argument as few patches ago. Tell me, when do you report someone in-game or do you even bother?

Never got this "why do you even need X amount of reports anyway" talk.

I still like the idea of the number of reports being related to games played. Seems the most logical.


I agree, if there HAS to be limited reports, at least set it so, instead of 2 per week.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 21:27:27
May 08 2013 21:25 GMT
#55587
I know you can't report for being bad, but at the same time there should be a method to indicate to valve that an ally you have is basely un-skilled and doesn't belong in your skill bracket.

Mostly reserved for 30-minute battlefury bounty hunters. etc.

EDIT: oh yeah, there needs to be a "Skilled" or similar commend option. I played with legitimately the most awesome support player the other time. Only he didn't really fit into any of the "commend" categories (leadership, friendliness, forgiving, teaching I think). He didn't even speak english very well lol (he called sentries "centrals" once lmao).
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eluv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
May 08 2013 21:27 GMT
#55588
On May 09 2013 06:22 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 06:18 eluv wrote:
On May 09 2013 06:14 kirsed wrote:
I don't understand the point of even having reports if you only get two.

Do you really have actual "reportable" behavior that often in your games? I think they're just trying to send the message that stuff like poor play isn't actually reportable, and leavers are already handled by the system, so they're mostly just looking for the guys that are either actively and obviously trying to feed, or the ones who do nothing but insult everyone in the game, from minute one.

If that's actually happening to you that often, well, I guess I feel sorry for you then.


This same argument as few patches ago. Tell me, when do you report someone in-game or do you even bother? Never got this "why do you even need X amount of reports anyway" talk.

I definitely do report people, I just distinguish between ruining a game because you're playing badly, which sucks for everyone involved, but is not malicious, and actively trying to ruin it. Reports are, at least in my understanding, only meant for people who's goal it is to ruin the game for the other players involved, not just people who happen to ruin it inadvertently.
"Yes I fucked my way to the GSL partnership" - Sundance
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 21:29:07
May 08 2013 21:27 GMT
#55589
On May 09 2013 06:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
I know you can't report for being bad, but at the same time there should be a method to indicate to valve that an ally you have is basely un-skilled and doesn't belong in your skill bracket.

Mostly reserved for 30-minute battlefury bounty hunters. etc.

I agree with this so much. Sure you can't report someone for being bad atm. But when somebody is obviously WAY below the skill level of the 9 other people in the game (yeah I've had this happen) you should be able to give some kind of feedback about that.


*@below: Dammit thats true ofcourse, but still... it just really sucks when it happens
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 08 2013 21:27 GMT
#55590
On May 09 2013 06:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
I know you can't report for being bad, but at the same time there should be a method to indicate to valve that an ally you have is basely un-skilled and doesn't belong in your skill bracket.

Mostly reserved for 30-minute battlefury bounty hunters. etc.

Nah.

People have bad games.

Proof: http://dotabuff.com/matches/189976747
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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
May 08 2013 21:31 GMT
#55591
Actually I would prefer a commend option "can be discussed with" or something. There are people that don't talk, some that talk but only complain about everything they don't understand and others that you can actually talk to.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 21:45:18
May 08 2013 21:34 GMT
#55592
On May 09 2013 06:27 eluv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 06:22 Grettin wrote:
On May 09 2013 06:18 eluv wrote:
On May 09 2013 06:14 kirsed wrote:
I don't understand the point of even having reports if you only get two.

Do you really have actual "reportable" behavior that often in your games? I think they're just trying to send the message that stuff like poor play isn't actually reportable, and leavers are already handled by the system, so they're mostly just looking for the guys that are either actively and obviously trying to feed, or the ones who do nothing but insult everyone in the game, from minute one.

If that's actually happening to you that often, well, I guess I feel sorry for you then.


This same argument as few patches ago. Tell me, when do you report someone in-game or do you even bother? Never got this "why do you even need X amount of reports anyway" talk.

I definitely do report people, I just distinguish between ruining a game because you're playing badly, which sucks for everyone involved, but is not malicious, and actively trying to ruin it. Reports are, at least in my understanding, only meant for people who's goal it is to ruin the game for the other players involved, not just people who happen to ruin it inadvertently.


Yeah, i definitely agree that if you are just a bad player, you shouldn't be reported. But if you do feed, play like a fucking idiot just for fun, you definitely deserve to be reported. But i also report people, who speak nothing but their own language, other than English obviously, when you que to English speaking servers/matchmaking. in my opinion that is good enough reason to report. As well as people acting like an ass in the chat or voice, of course.

So now i really wonder, if people do bother report people for malicious things such as above, how on earth is 4 reports/week or even two a week after this patch, enough? Because four reports wasn't enough last week and i don't report someone for bad play (unless it's intentional). To add, i played 15-20 games last week.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 21:38:27
May 08 2013 21:35 GMT
#55593
On May 09 2013 06:27 solidbebe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 06:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
I know you can't report for being bad, but at the same time there should be a method to indicate to valve that an ally you have is basely un-skilled and doesn't belong in your skill bracket.

Mostly reserved for 30-minute battlefury bounty hunters. etc.

I agree with this so much. Sure you can't report someone for being bad atm. But when somebody is obviously WAY below the skill level of the 9 other people in the game (yeah I've had this happen) you should be able to give some kind of feedback about that.


*@below: Dammit thats true ofcourse, but still... it just really sucks when it happens

If that's the case then usually there's a stack involved. They shouldn't do this because your perception of skill is subjective. A guy might just be having a bad game, experimenting, never played that hero before, hasn't played in a while, etc.

Edit: Why did Asha's initial patch update post say that Legion Commander was added..?
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
May 08 2013 21:50 GMT
#55594
Nice, Solo MM
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 21:51:07
May 08 2013 21:50 GMT
#55595
On May 09 2013 06:35 Kishin2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 06:27 solidbebe wrote:
On May 09 2013 06:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
I know you can't report for being bad, but at the same time there should be a method to indicate to valve that an ally you have is basely un-skilled and doesn't belong in your skill bracket.

Mostly reserved for 30-minute battlefury bounty hunters. etc.

I agree with this so much. Sure you can't report someone for being bad atm. But when somebody is obviously WAY below the skill level of the 9 other people in the game (yeah I've had this happen) you should be able to give some kind of feedback about that.


*@below: Dammit thats true ofcourse, but still... it just really sucks when it happens


Edit: Why did Asha's initial patch update post say that Legion Commander was added..?


you must be imagining things kishin, I definitely wouldn't copy/paste patch notes without checking they were real, no sir...
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
May 08 2013 21:55 GMT
#55596
Added Solo Matchmaking option. This is an experimental feature that will match you with players who also queued without being in a party. This is the first step in a series aimed at improving the matchmaking system.

COMMUNITY
- Reduced the number of negative reports per week to 2 as part of our ongoing efforts to improve and tune the reporting and ban systems.


Phew, for a second there, I thought they were trying to make the game worse.
Writer
Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
May 08 2013 21:56 GMT
#55597
On May 09 2013 06:27 solidbebe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 06:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
I know you can't report for being bad, but at the same time there should be a method to indicate to valve that an ally you have is basely un-skilled and doesn't belong in your skill bracket.

Mostly reserved for 30-minute battlefury bounty hunters. etc.

I agree with this so much. Sure you can't report someone for being bad atm. But when somebody is obviously WAY below the skill level of the 9 other people in the game (yeah I've had this happen) you should be able to give some kind of feedback about that.


*@below: Dammit thats true ofcourse, but still... it just really sucks when it happens

I certainly see no reason why a "This player is worse than me"-button wouldn't work out and be abused.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 21:57:56
May 08 2013 21:57 GMT
#55598
On May 09 2013 06:56 Appendix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2013 06:27 solidbebe wrote:
On May 09 2013 06:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
I know you can't report for being bad, but at the same time there should be a method to indicate to valve that an ally you have is basely un-skilled and doesn't belong in your skill bracket.

Mostly reserved for 30-minute battlefury bounty hunters. etc.

I agree with this so much. Sure you can't report someone for being bad atm. But when somebody is obviously WAY below the skill level of the 9 other people in the game (yeah I've had this happen) you should be able to give some kind of feedback about that.


*@below: Dammit thats true ofcourse, but still... it just really sucks when it happens

I certainly see no reason why a "This player is worse than me"-button wouldn't work out and be abused.


What are you trying to say?
That it works but will be abused?
Or that it it will work and not be abused?
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
May 08 2013 22:05 GMT
#55599
I think after a few hundred games, another player doesn't randomly end up in the same skill bracket as you by sheer luck, and is actually significantly worse than you. Who knows though. Or maybe they are queuing with friends who are a lot better than them.

also what other people said basically
sorry for not contributing anything new to the discussion
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
May 08 2013 22:10 GMT
#55600
Things like BF gondar don't show the player is significantly worse than you. Shitty builds show they don't know how to build that particular hero correctly. If after a lot of games he has a similar MMR than you, he probally compensates that by either skill or not being as bad on other games. A MMR system, as flawed as it can be, is still far more reliable than your biased opinion after a single match.
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