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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 21:49:34
March 07 2013 21:49 GMT
#46541
They should've gotten tobi to voice tresdin if she had remained male, would've been perfect.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
March 07 2013 22:11 GMT
#46542
On March 08 2013 06:49 Unleashing wrote:
They should've gotten tobi to voice tresdin if she had remained male, would've been perfect.


On Death:
"That was lame as an urghh"
"I was a victim.....of......rage"
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 07 2013 22:13 GMT
#46543
I feel like there's a joke about "Black" holes around here somewhere, but its probably better we just leave it alone.
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Aixler
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands946 Posts
March 07 2013 22:15 GMT
#46544
Why does gyro buy mkb instead of daedalus when the enemy has neither evasion nor channeled spells?
Daedalus is always better dps, and the difference in dps on your main target is very big when you are 40+min in.
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 22:21:12
March 07 2013 22:18 GMT
#46545
On March 08 2013 07:15 Aixler wrote:
Why does gyro buy mkb instead of daedalus when the enemy has neither evasion nor channeled spells?
Daedalus is always better dps, and the difference in dps on your main target is very big when you are 40+min in.


u cant crit on flak cannon apart from main target

so mkb provides a better overall dps boost when using flak cannon

then entire idea of flak/gyro is that you are hitting everyone, he's an aoe moster with ult plus flak
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
March 07 2013 22:21 GMT
#46546
On March 08 2013 07:15 Aixler wrote:
Why does gyro buy mkb instead of daedalus when the enemy has neither evasion nor channeled spells?
Daedalus is always better dps, and the difference in dps on your main target is very big when you are 40+min in.

Also n'aix has a S&Y, can turn that into a HH and manta, potentially. Better to be prepared since upping to HH would only be 1800 gold.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 07 2013 22:21 GMT
#46547
On March 08 2013 07:18 Klonere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 07:15 Aixler wrote:
Why does gyro buy mkb instead of daedalus when the enemy has neither evasion nor channeled spells?
Daedalus is always better dps, and the difference in dps on your main target is very big when you are 40+min in.


u cant crit on flak cannon apart from main target

so mkb provides a better overall dps boost when using flak cannon

Better dps by 7 damage and 15 attack speed. The only thing I can think of is if the enemy carry is going to get a butterfly, and you envision that some point it will come down to a man fight where you are forced to click on the enemy carry.

Umm, maybe planning on clicking uphill on t3 towers?
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
March 07 2013 22:22 GMT
#46548
On March 08 2013 07:21 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 07:18 Klonere wrote:
On March 08 2013 07:15 Aixler wrote:
Why does gyro buy mkb instead of daedalus when the enemy has neither evasion nor channeled spells?
Daedalus is always better dps, and the difference in dps on your main target is very big when you are 40+min in.


u cant crit on flak cannon apart from main target

so mkb provides a better overall dps boost when using flak cannon

Better dps by 7 damage and 15 attack speed. The only thing I can think of is if the enemy carry is going to get a butterfly, and you envision that some point it will come down to a man fight where you are forced to click on the enemy carry.

Umm, maybe planning on clicking uphill on t3 towers?


Heaven's Halberd has evasion as well, and Naix has a SnY, it's possible.
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
March 07 2013 22:24 GMT
#46549
I love all the gifs in the patch thread, they're the only reason I'm still reading. Funny as hell how many disappointed people there are
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 07 2013 22:24 GMT
#46550
On March 08 2013 07:22 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 07:21 Comeh wrote:
On March 08 2013 07:18 Klonere wrote:
On March 08 2013 07:15 Aixler wrote:
Why does gyro buy mkb instead of daedalus when the enemy has neither evasion nor channeled spells?
Daedalus is always better dps, and the difference in dps on your main target is very big when you are 40+min in.


u cant crit on flak cannon apart from main target

so mkb provides a better overall dps boost when using flak cannon

Better dps by 7 damage and 15 attack speed. The only thing I can think of is if the enemy carry is going to get a butterfly, and you envision that some point it will come down to a man fight where you are forced to click on the enemy carry.

Umm, maybe planning on clicking uphill on t3 towers?


Heaven's Halberd has evasion as well, and Naix has a SnY, it's possible.

Oh, didn't know we were talking about a specific game. Its for that then - at some point, due to life leech, you will have to manfight against the naix in one way or another (because everything else will be dead, and flak cannon won't be enough to kill the naix, so you can't target another unit to bypass the dodge).
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
March 07 2013 22:29 GMT
#46551
On March 08 2013 07:24 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 07:22 SKC wrote:
On March 08 2013 07:21 Comeh wrote:
On March 08 2013 07:18 Klonere wrote:
On March 08 2013 07:15 Aixler wrote:
Why does gyro buy mkb instead of daedalus when the enemy has neither evasion nor channeled spells?
Daedalus is always better dps, and the difference in dps on your main target is very big when you are 40+min in.


u cant crit on flak cannon apart from main target

so mkb provides a better overall dps boost when using flak cannon

Better dps by 7 damage and 15 attack speed. The only thing I can think of is if the enemy carry is going to get a butterfly, and you envision that some point it will come down to a man fight where you are forced to click on the enemy carry.

Umm, maybe planning on clicking uphill on t3 towers?


Heaven's Halberd has evasion as well, and Naix has a SnY, it's possible.

Oh, didn't know we were talking about a specific game. Its for that then - at some point, due to life leech, you will have to manfight against the naix in one way or another (because everything else will be dead, and flak cannon won't be enough to kill the naix, so you can't target another unit to bypass the dodge).


For some reason I thought this was the LR thread, the subject just fit so well. But well, if the enemy has HH or you are fighting against Brewmaster, Troll, etc. you can also go for MKB, there are a few other sources of dodge.
Aixler
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands946 Posts
March 07 2013 22:33 GMT
#46552
Even if the enemy carry, in this case naix, gets HH, mkb is only slightly better due to the 15% attack speed and 100dmg ministun. (25% for 2.4 crit = 135% dmg, 75% chance to hit * 135% = 101,25% dmg)

Once you have some good attack speed, due to butterfly etc, more attack speed won't increase your flak cannon damage in any meaningful way.

But having crit on your main attack will make a big difference, compared to the inferior mkb dps.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 22:36:42
March 07 2013 22:36 GMT
#46553
ENchantresss wins :D :D TY fluff.
Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 22:39:01
March 07 2013 22:36 GMT
#46554
On March 08 2013 07:24 Incze wrote:
I love all the gifs in the patch thread, they're the only reason I'm still reading. Funny as hell how many disappointed people there are

Link please?

Edit: The fluff(y things) on enchantress have overcome any and all adversity. Take from that what you will :D
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Imbajoe
Profile Joined September 2010
United States857 Posts
March 07 2013 22:58 GMT
#46555
patch is up on the main client

was there any noticeable effects from the change to the small neutral camps
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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
March 07 2013 23:06 GMT
#46556
I just wanted to say, this is the best thread in the world.

All we need now is another of Gosis masterpieces for Fluffchantress.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
March 07 2013 23:19 GMT
#46557
On March 08 2013 07:36 Kittan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 07:24 Incze wrote:
I love all the gifs in the patch thread, they're the only reason I'm still reading. Funny as hell how many disappointed people there are

Link please?

Edit: The fluff(y things) on enchantress have overcome any and all adversity. Take from that what you will :D



Here you go
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=77147
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SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
March 07 2013 23:23 GMT
#46558
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/19viqo/new_lina_fiery_soul_of_the_slayer_35/

Oh the delicious tears. I agree it's expensive but then don't buy it. It.s not like you need it.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 07 2013 23:27 GMT
#46559
On March 08 2013 08:23 SilverStar wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/19viqo/new_lina_fiery_soul_of_the_slayer_35/

Oh the delicious tears. I agree it's expensive but then don't buy it. It.s not like you need it.

We're such a spoiled community. So fickle.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 07 2013 23:36 GMT
#46560
Just wait, they're going to release one that actually makes Storm a panda, and then everyone will be scrambling to buy it.
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