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CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
June 30 2007 00:38 GMT
#221
so, is SindongWook NaDa? can anyone confirm that? romad? nt.emperor?
SNSD fan
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
June 30 2007 00:41 GMT
#222
judging from the gameplay of the replay posted, i'd say it's not NaDa. but if he was just being really lazy or drunk or something, it could be him. his apm was a bit lower than normal too
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
June 30 2007 00:55 GMT
#223
On June 30 2007 09:41 NonY[rC] wrote:
judging from the gameplay of the replay posted, i'd say it's not NaDa. but if he was just being really lazy or drunk or something, it could be him. his apm was a bit lower than normal too


i'm not sure about the gameplay, but i think SindongWook's apm could be NaDa's.
here's the rep of NaDa vs Draco match 2, in which NaDa has 335 apm in the 14 min long game, and in the game vs TL_typeS, NaDa has 327 apm in the 27 min long game.

http://download.yousendit.com/C2335C0D2A3817DD
SNSD fan
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
June 30 2007 00:56 GMT
#224
There's a lot of 400 apm korean amateurs and semi-pros. His apm proves nothing.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
June 30 2007 00:59 GMT
#225
On June 30 2007 09:56 FirstBorn wrote:
There's a lot of 400 apm korean amateurs and semi-pros. His apm proves nothing.


when NonY and i were talking about APM, we meant APM and Hotkeys.
SNSD fan
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-30 01:25:55
June 30 2007 01:24 GMT
#226
Yes, similar hotkeys, similar apm, similar starting split method and spam, similar build order. As for the hotkeys, notice how SinDongWook copies his 3 key to his 2 key at 1:41, and then the 3 key Command Center he replaces with his Barracks, Nada does the exact same thing.

As for building placement, check out the Nada vs Bisu first game from their match (May 19, 2007), played in Longinus. Nada starts out at 3 o'clock base just like the SinDongWook rep, notice how Nada places the buildings just like SinDongWook does. Everything, the supply depots, the barracks, the factory, exactly the same.

SinDongWook = Nada
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6986 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-30 01:25:58
June 30 2007 01:25 GMT
#227
On June 30 2007 09:55 CapO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2007 09:41 NonY[rC] wrote:
judging from the gameplay of the replay posted, i'd say it's not NaDa. but if he was just being really lazy or drunk or something, it could be him. his apm was a bit lower than normal too


i'm not sure about the gameplay, but i think SindongWook's apm could be NaDa's.
here's the rep of NaDa vs Draco match 2, in which NaDa has 335 apm in the 14 min long game, and in the game vs TL_typeS, NaDa has 327 apm in the 27 min long game.

http://download.yousendit.com/C2335C0D2A3817DD

I'm pretty sure NaDa has higher apm in such a short games, more like 400~
But if it is NaDa, he probably does not play too seriously, so the APM probably is not as much as in actual pro matches.
CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
June 30 2007 01:27 GMT
#228
On June 30 2007 10:25 Puosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2007 09:55 CapO wrote:
On June 30 2007 09:41 NonY[rC] wrote:
judging from the gameplay of the replay posted, i'd say it's not NaDa. but if he was just being really lazy or drunk or something, it could be him. his apm was a bit lower than normal too


i'm not sure about the gameplay, but i think SindongWook's apm could be NaDa's.
here's the rep of NaDa vs Draco match 2, in which NaDa has 335 apm in the 14 min long game, and in the game vs TL_typeS, NaDa has 327 apm in the 27 min long game.

http://download.yousendit.com/C2335C0D2A3817DD

I'm pretty sure NaDa has higher apm in such a short games, more like 400~
But if it is NaDa, he probably does not play too seriously, so the APM probably is not as much as in actual pro matches.


the game was from WWI, which means it was broadcasted on tv. the replay isn't fake
SNSD fan
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
June 30 2007 01:33 GMT
#229
http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tltypeslw5.png

As you can see TL_TypeS was banned for inspecific reasons
<3's Mani and Seraphim, thx for the second chance. TSL Name: TSL-mSLeGenD
CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
June 30 2007 01:35 GMT
#230
On June 30 2007 10:33 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tltypeslw5.png

As you can see TL_TypeS was banned for inspecific reasons


half of server? i'd say it's a pretty good reason.
SNSD fan
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5516 Posts
June 30 2007 01:39 GMT
#231
Half of server what? I cant see the pic
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
June 30 2007 01:45 GMT
#232
On June 30 2007 10:39 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Half of server what? I cant see the pic


it says, "TL_typeS - clear and lock - half of server have complaints on it."
SNSD fan
CruiseR
Profile Joined November 2004
Poland4014 Posts
June 30 2007 02:00 GMT
#233
huh, yes, sindongwook's hotkey usage graphic looks very similar to nada's...

i would be surprised if its really him, since he's got so many (for one of top players ever) losses o.o
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
June 30 2007 02:03 GMT
#234
I'm in no way on hungs side on this one but where are the REAL proofs? This is like a judge saying well 50% of the people says hes guilty, so I convict him.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
June 30 2007 02:09 GMT
#235
On June 30 2007 10:25 Puosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2007 09:55 CapO wrote:
On June 30 2007 09:41 NonY[rC] wrote:
judging from the gameplay of the replay posted, i'd say it's not NaDa. but if he was just being really lazy or drunk or something, it could be him. his apm was a bit lower than normal too


i'm not sure about the gameplay, but i think SindongWook's apm could be NaDa's.
here's the rep of NaDa vs Draco match 2, in which NaDa has 335 apm in the 14 min long game, and in the game vs TL_typeS, NaDa has 327 apm in the 27 min long game.

http://download.yousendit.com/C2335C0D2A3817DD

I'm pretty sure NaDa has higher apm in such a short games, more like 400~
But if it is NaDa, he probably does not play too seriously, so the APM probably is not as much as in actual pro matches.


From the NaDa rep pack that I found somewhere in the forums here, NaDa's apm average is 318 based on 637 games which have an average length of 20 minutes. His APM ranges from a high of 559 (from a 15 minute game played in 2003 against starrbren), to a low of 158 (from a 38 minute game played in 2001 against Garimto).

That rep pack has 26 of his games from his time on Gamei back in 2001, there his apm average was 263. It's interesting to note that even back in 2001 NaDa still used the same hotkey signature he has now.

NaDa = SinDongWook
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
June 30 2007 02:20 GMT
#236
For those who haven't seen the recent NaDa vs Bisu game on Longinus: http://www.mediafire.com/?1lyqyg3hvct

Compare NaDa's building placement in that rep with SinDongWook's building placement in this rep:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/kp90ji

identical
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
June 30 2007 02:49 GMT
#237
awesome SindongWook's definately NaDa
SNSD fan
IefNaij
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada291 Posts
June 30 2007 03:04 GMT
#238
I havent seen the replay but building placement proves nothing...Same with APM and similar hotkeys, they prove nothing, theres many koreans out there whose apm/hotkeying is similar to famous progamers -_-
CruiseR
Profile Joined November 2004
Poland4014 Posts
June 30 2007 03:08 GMT
#239
On June 30 2007 12:04 IefNaij wrote:
I havent seen the replay but building placement proves nothing...Same with APM and similar hotkeys, they prove nothing, theres many koreans out there whose apm/hotkeying is similar to famous progamers -_-


Some "detectives" like roMAD and MidiaN can discover the player looking only at the BWChart Hotkeys (assigning+ hotkey selection on).

In fact, APM and micro/macro can be very similar, but this Hotkey Chart during all game is very characteristic for every player.
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
June 30 2007 03:10 GMT
#240
IefNaij sure, but when you add everything up it seems to be logical. You might be right, that many players might be similar, but when you take 5-6 different things that nada does, and they all seem to appear in his hotkeys/replay actions then you really gotta start narrowing it down to possibly be him!
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