EPThttp://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/gateway-gateway-2nd-gen-intel-core-i7-2600-desktop-computer-dx4860-ef12p-dx4860-ef12p/10191921.aspx?path=8f44e5d5a90c94f9d16e1aae6333d381en02&lang=fr-CA&pcname=&sku=10191921
Thanks!
Is this a good Computer?
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Zoaam
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http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/gateway-gateway-2nd-gen-intel-core-i7-2600-desktop-computer-dx4860-ef12p-dx4860-ef12p/10191921.aspx?path=8f44e5d5a90c94f9d16e1aae6333d381en02&lang=fr-CA&pcname=&sku=10191921 Thanks! | ||
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skyR
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Blueheart
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
Why is it bad for the price? First, it's a premade, so you're already losing a sizeable chunk of change by not building yourself. Second, it overspends on processor (i7 is not better for gaming than i5) and dramatically underspends on GPU (for gaming purposes). Yes, SC2 and Diablo 3 should look ok, but only because they're among the most graphically undemanding games out there. Other games will look fairly bad compared to what you should buy for about that price. Especially in the states and especially for gaming, it's practically a necessity to build your own computer (do not worry, it's pretty easy) unless you want to pay a $200-500 premium to one of the "custom-build" companies. I suggest going to the Computer Build Resource Thread, filling out the questionnaire in the OP, and getting ready for a fun project. Edit: Oh, from Canada. Then do just like I said above to get a parts list, but tack on to wherever you order (probably ncix.com) the building fee. Much better solution than we have in the U.S. | ||
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jacosajh
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On June 22 2012 01:23 skyR wrote: No it's not. Buy parts separately and get NCIX or any other Canadian retailer to assemble it for ~$50. Quoting this for emphasis. Also, that won't run everything on max graphics at 1080p for SC2/D3. The graphics card isn't good enough. At a lower resolution, it might though. | ||
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Zoaam
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jacosajh
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We can tell what parts to order (so you can have them build it). | ||
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Zoaam
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jacosajh
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http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69230&promoid=1048 CPU: Intel i5 3570k - $230 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70541&promoid=1027 HDD: 500GB 7200 RPM - $80 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58402 CD/DVD DRIVE - $20 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=49597&promoid=1048 RAM: 4GB DDR3 - $24 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=47642&promoid=1027 PSU: XFX PRO550W - $70 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59615 GPU: HD 7850 - $255 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=71671 Case: Cooler Master 912 - $60 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55583 PC Assembly - $50 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=7842 Total Price is ~$910 before taxes / shipping You can get it cheaper by not getting an i5 3570k (if you don't want to overclock) and not getting an HD 7850 (which is a pretty beastly GPU; if all you're doing is playing SC2 and D3, you definitely don't need this). You can also pick any case you want. I also didn't even pricematch, so there might be some other savings to be had. If you just want the most PC for ~$900, that's about it. This system is (arbitrarily assigning numbers) 5x better than the one you linked too. | ||
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LJ
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TheFlock
United States389 Posts
I just wanted to add a couple more small things to also think about (given the parts list above): 1) The desktop you chose comes with WiFi, so if you want that, you need to remember to add a WiFi PCI card or USB dongle. Perhaps around $30 but a bit of variety here to suit your needs. 2) Usually desktops like the pre-built one linked in OP come with HUGE HDDs. You should think about how much space you really need when buying a HDD. I got a relatively small one to start and if I fill it up in a couple years I can just add another... Depending on the size it will influence the price fairly significantly as well. 3) The cost of an OS should not be forgotten as well so that'll tack on another ~$100 4) The Gateway comes with a card reader so if you really wanted that feature, you'll have to add an external one or similar. These are super cheap and negligible compared to the overall cost. I know this is the small *insignificant stuff* but when I was comparing Pre-built to my computer build list, it's easy to get lost in the big cool components and forget about the little things that Pre-builts have added in that the OP might still be interested in. All these things considered, I'll say that building your own PC like this is (arbitrarily) ~2.5x better than the one OP linked for the same money  | ||
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jacosajh
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But you can downsize to an i5 3550 and maybe an HD 6850 to fit an OS within the ~$900 budget. It'll still be a lot better for your money. | ||
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minitelemaster
United States95 Posts
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Zoaam
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Zoaam
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Motherboard: MSI Z77-G43 - $120 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69230&promoid=1048 CPU: Intel i5 3570k - $230 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70541&promoid=1027 HDD: 500GB 7200 RPM - $80 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58402 CD/DVD DRIVE - $20 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=49597&promoid=1048 RAM: 4GB DDR3 - $24 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=47642&promoid=1027 PSU: XFX PRO550W - $70 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59615 GPU: HD 7850 - $255 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=71671 Case: Cooler Master 912 - $60 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55583 PC Assembly - $50 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=7842 Is this all the parts that i will need or more? | ||
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jacosajh
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If so, you will need to buy one. Here it is for another $106. http://ncix.com/products/?sku=45269&vpn=GFC-00564&manufacture=Microsoft As I was saying in my other post, you can downgrade the Motherboard / CPU / GPU a slight bit to fit it into the budget of ~$900. What I linked in my previous post is a build that is overclockable and a very beastly graphics card (GPU). If you are not interested in overclocking and don't need a high-end graphics card (SC2 and D3 don't classify as requiring high-end graphics card), I can link cheaper ones. But, if you are wanting to play something like Crysis 2, Metro 2033, Dirt 3, or Battlefield 3 at 1080p on the absolute maximum settings, you will want the best GPU you can get. Otherwise, you can get away with a weaker graphics card and just scale back on graphic settings for these games. Also, this doesn't include a keyboard, mouse, and monitor; if you need this we will need to start all over. | ||
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Zoaam
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Blackhawk13
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Zoaam
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Medrea
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Disregard
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edit: Is it still $50? | ||
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Zoaam
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jacosajh
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Motherboard: MSI H77MA-G43 - $95 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69922&promoid=1360 CPU: Intel i5 3450 - $200 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70543 HDD: 500GB 7200 RPM - $80 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58402 CD/DVD DRIVE - $20 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=49597&promoid=1048 RAM: 4GB DDR3 - $24 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=47642&promoid=1027 PSU: XFX PRO550W - $70 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59615 GPU: HD 6850 - $140 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=63985&promoid=1027 Case: Cooler Master 912 - $60 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55583 Windows 7 Home Premium - $120 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=45271 PC Assembly - $50 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=7842 Total Price is ~$860 before taxes / shipping This includes the operating system which I was talking about AND assembly (they put it together for you) from NCIX. | ||
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jacosajh
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The student discount for Windows 7, you buy it direct from Microsoft IIRC (so NCIX wouldn't install it for you). Also, AFAIK, they stopped doing it. So unless you're confident in installing Windows 7 yourself (otherwise, NCIX would do it for you), I would not bother and just eat up the cost of full-priced Windows. Especially considering, in hindsight, you were willing to buy a desktop that was significantly worse for the same price from futureshop. Edit: Actually, it looks like the Student discount still does apply, but is now up to $65 for the digital version and $80 for the hard copy. It's probably more for Canada (I'm looking at US version). If you got the cheaper digital version, you would need to have an existing computer and knowledge how to "manipulate" it to install from a USB drive or some other way. $80 for the hard copy is not bad, but you would need to install it yourself. In my opinion, it's not worth it if for you. I would just get everything from NCIX like I linked, and have them do everything for you. | ||
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Zoaam
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jacosajh
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The most recent list I sent you will be able to play SC2 and D3 on near max settings at 1080p. If you want, you can swap the Video Card from the HD 6850 ($140) to an HD 6870 ($170) for $30 more. I don't have D3, but I've read many reports that it would run fine on an HD 6850 at max settings. But what people find as acceptable gameplay varies. I would, however, feel comfortable saying that an HD 6870 would for sure run it on max settings; not to mention benefit any other games you might play in the future which may require more GPU power. Here is the link to the HD 6870 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62756&vpn=HD687AZHFC&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1048 TL:DR version - The HD 6850 is fine too; but I don't think it's a waste of money to get an HD 6870 if you can afford it for an extra $30 | ||
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Zoaam
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mahnini
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