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On June 24 2011 08:07 XsebT wrote:Contrary to popular belief (at least beliefs among the iccup staff) there are plenty of other servers to play on.  It's really sad that these iccup motherfuckers controlling this stuff now feel like heroes when they had nothing to with the creation of what actually makes iccup amazing.
BOOM *Headshot*
Finally someone posts this insightful post.
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Ouch. This agreement is rough. At least I won't have to fly the ICCup flag on my tourney stream.
Now, we gotta do all we can to make it awesome. The better each is, the more and greater they will become. That's the rule.
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It's upsetting to see that the iccup staff is more interested in ego battling with Game then helping promote foreign bw.
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Agreed. TO be honest, Iccup is like a leech trying to power grab everything it sees. Bullying the free enterprise tournaments who are just minding their own business. I mean really? Its just a PvPGN server, if anything they should be ones to be thanked for the support into server development, running the server itself is a no brains easy job.
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hmmm,with this agree, the next fase not need be played on west. right ?
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Disclaimer: I am an iccup admin, but I do not speak for iccup in this post.
I think everyone is taking it like iccup wants a powergrab. This is not it at all.
Game has insulted iccup staff nemrous times both on tl and through other means. He has had multiple account banned due to it on iccup.
I'll give a little analogy.
You have a guest in you're home. He eats and takes whatever he wants. You are nice enough to let him stay because you don't want to start anything.
the guest always bitches about the house "well its a garbage shack,' he says. He always bitches about how you should be doing more to take care of him. He trashes you and is always insulting you.
Now he wants to have his friends come over, meanwhile in front of those friends he is saying how much of a crappy house you have.
What would you say to him?
Personally like most i would say to him if he doesn't like it, then don't be here, go somewhere else.
That is essentially what iccup is doing. the admins are being insulted and belittled by Game. Yet game wants to run events here? why would iccup let him? doesn't make much sense.
So yes if you look at it from Game's prospective. yes it is iccup being bastards and trying to ruin the fun. But from iccup position. Why would they let someone in who is insulting the server and the people who work hard to keep it going. looking at it from there makes total sense.
There is no reason that Game couldn't take isl2 to another server. But Game wated to use iccup.
to reuse the analogy. Game is wanting to use our house to have his party. And expects iccup staff to pick up the mess while he is insulting us about doing a bad job and also insulting the house.
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On June 24 2011 08:33 masterbreti wrote:
Disclaimer: I am an iccup admin, but I do not speak for iccup in this post.
I think everyone is taking it like iccup wants a powergrab. This is not it at all.
Game has insulted iccup staff nemrous times both on tl and through other means. He has had multiple account banned due to it on iccup.
I'll give a little analogy.
You have a guest in you're home. He eats and takes whatever he wants. You are nice enough to let him stay because you don't want to start anything.
the guest always bitches about the house "well its a garbage shack,' he says. He always bitches about how you should be doing more to take care of him. He trashes you and is always insulting you.
Now he wants to have his friends come over, meanwhile in front of those friends he is saying how much of a crappy house you have.
What would you say to him?
Personally like most i would say to him if he doesn't like it, then don't be here, go somewhere else.
That is essentially what iccup is doing. the admins are being insulted and belittled by Game. Yet game wants to run events here? why would iccup let him? doesn't make much sense.
So yes if you look at it from Game's prospective. yes it is iccup being bastards and trying to ruin the fun. But from iccup position. Why would they let someone in who is insulting the server and the people who work hard to keep it going. looking at it from there makes total sense.
There is no reason that Game couldn't take isl2 to another server. But Game wated to use iccup.
to reuse the analogy. Game is wanting to use our house to have his party. And expects iccup staff to pick up the mess while he is insulting us about doing a bad job and also insulting the house.
As I am not part of this tournament anymore, I think this warrants the idiot mark that all of your other posts get. But bro, can I come over and bring you more food than you had the means of producing on your own behalf? Please.
I like how you conveniently left out that iCCup also benefits from the free advertising and server population booms.
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On June 24 2011 08:40 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 08:33 masterbreti wrote:
Disclaimer: I am an iccup admin, but I do not speak for iccup in this post.
I think everyone is taking it like iccup wants a powergrab. This is not it at all.
Game has insulted iccup staff nemrous times both on tl and through other means. He has had multiple account banned due to it on iccup.
I'll give a little analogy.
You have a guest in you're home. He eats and takes whatever he wants. You are nice enough to let him stay because you don't want to start anything.
the guest always bitches about the house "well its a garbage shack,' he says. He always bitches about how you should be doing more to take care of him. He trashes you and is always insulting you.
Now he wants to have his friends come over, meanwhile in front of those friends he is saying how much of a crappy house you have.
What would you say to him?
Personally like most i would say to him if he doesn't like it, then don't be here, go somewhere else.
That is essentially what iccup is doing. the admins are being insulted and belittled by Game. Yet game wants to run events here? why would iccup let him? doesn't make much sense.
So yes if you look at it from Game's prospective. yes it is iccup being bastards and trying to ruin the fun. But from iccup position. Why would they let someone in who is insulting the server and the people who work hard to keep it going. looking at it from there makes total sense.
There is no reason that Game couldn't take isl2 to another server. But Game wated to use iccup.
to reuse the analogy. Game is wanting to use our house to have his party. And expects iccup staff to pick up the mess while he is insulting us about doing a bad job and also insulting the house.
As I am not part of this tournament anymore, I think this warrants the idiot mark that all of your other posts get. But bro, can I come over and bring you more food than you had the means of producing on your own behalf? Please. I like how you conveniently left out that iCCup also benefits from the free advertising and server population booms.
Nice hearing from you too Game
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You can argue about these problems and past issues for days but it ignores the real issue. the bottom line is, someone is either for esports or against it. and imo if iccup doesnt want esports then let them eat cake. because esports must advance, with or without them, period.
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Why do you dislike Game so much masterbreti? I have seen you post every time a discussion about Game arises, and every time you supported the side opposed to Game. But this time, your arguments are just supported by some fallacious analogies. A 1500 dollars tournaments is not a random house party, it is the most important event for Broodwar in well over a year or two. The Iccup administrators were ready to shut it down and fuck over the entire foreign community, or at least all the people that were interested on a foreign tournament, just for some personal conflict? And you are explaining that it is perfectly fine for administrators to treat a server like their personal domain?
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On June 24 2011 08:33 masterbreti wrote:
Disclaimer: I am an iccup admin, but I do not speak for iccup in this post.
I think everyone is taking it like iccup wants a powergrab. This is not it at all.
Game has insulted iccup staff nemrous times both on tl and through other means. He has had multiple account banned due to it on iccup.
I'll give a little analogy.
You have a guest in you're home. He eats and takes whatever he wants. You are nice enough to let him stay because you don't want to start anything.
the guest always bitches about the house "well its a garbage shack,' he says. He always bitches about how you should be doing more to take care of him. He trashes you and is always insulting you.
Now he wants to have his friends come over, meanwhile in front of those friends he is saying how much of a crappy house you have.
What would you say to him?
Personally like most i would say to him if he doesn't like it, then don't be here, go somewhere else.
That is essentially what iccup is doing. the admins are being insulted and belittled by Game. Yet game wants to run events here? why would iccup let him? doesn't make much sense.
So yes if you look at it from Game's prospective. yes it is iccup being bastards and trying to ruin the fun. But from iccup position. Why would they let someone in who is insulting the server and the people who work hard to keep it going. looking at it from there makes total sense.
There is no reason that Game couldn't take isl2 to another server. But Game wated to use iccup.
to reuse the analogy. Game is wanting to use our house to have his party. And expects iccup staff to pick up the mess while he is insulting us about doing a bad job and also insulting the house.
How about this for analogy?
Two kids are taking a test, the one kid(Kid A) has no idea what the test is over while one kid(Kid B) does all the correct work. Kid A who doesn't have any idea on what to do abuses his size and strength to steal Kid B's test who has worked extremely hard to get a good grade. Kid A proceed to erase Kid B's name from the test an replace it with his own and take all the credit.
Seems familiar does it not?
Sorry game but with this turn of events I really don't know if I want to donate money to a cause such as this. If ISL 3 comes around I will be more than willing but This is ridiculous.
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I must say I am amused at people speaking about 'iCCup motherfuckers' and going out of their way to insult iCCup ... then expect to be welcome and respected on the very server they abuse.
About this:
On June 24 2011 07:51 Ribbon wrote:How does this affect other tournaments run by Game on ICCUP?
I think the post made by the iCCup Management earlier in this thread answers this question.
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On June 24 2011 08:57 ThePaladin wrote:I must say I am amused at people speaking about 'iCCup motherfuckers' and going out of their way to insult iCCup ... then expect to be welcome and respected on the very server they abuse. About this: I think the post made by the iCCup Management earlier in this thread answers this question.
I have a SS of your confirmation for this tournament. SS, ironic.
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On June 24 2011 08:54 legaton wrote:
The Iccup administrators were ready to shut it down and fuck over the entire foreign community, or at least all the people that were interested on a foreign tournament, just for some personal conflict? And you are explaining that it is perfectly fine for administrators to treat a server like their personal domain?
How is iCCup 'fucking over the entire foreign community' if there are so many servers to host events on?
Or is it maybe that iCCup has the only functioning Ladder outside of Korea, and a CAT Section?
Everybody is free to play on any server he wants to.
If you want to play on iCCup, then adhere to the (fair and valid-for-everybody) iCCup Rules: don't use hacks, and you won't be banned; don't BM players or staff members, and you won't be banned; don't insult the people who are spending their free time to keep the site and server up, and you are welcome ... nobody will bother you.
But: hack, BM or insult our volunteer staff and you will be removed.
Period.
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On June 24 2011 08:57 ThePaladin wrote:About this: I think the post made by the iCCup Management earlier in this thread answers this question.
Edit: nvm
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On June 24 2011 09:02 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 08:57 ThePaladin wrote:I must say I am amused at people speaking about 'iCCup motherfuckers' and going out of their way to insult iCCup ... then expect to be welcome and respected on the very server they abuse. About this: On June 24 2011 07:51 Ribbon wrote:How does this affect other tournaments run by Game on ICCUP? I think the post made by the iCCup Management earlier in this thread answers this question. I have a SS of your confirmation for this tournament. SS, ironic.
I am sure that screenshot is dated prior to my informing you that you will host no more events on iCCup.
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On June 24 2011 09:06 ThePaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 08:54 legaton wrote:
The Iccup administrators were ready to shut it down and fuck over the entire foreign community, or at least all the people that were interested on a foreign tournament, just for some personal conflict? And you are explaining that it is perfectly fine for administrators to treat a server like their personal domain? How is iCCup 'fucking over the entire foreign community' if there are so many servers to host events on? Or is it maybe that iCCup has the only functioning Ladder outside of Korea, and a CAT Section? Everybody is free to play on any server he wants to. If you want to play on iCCup, then adhere to the (fair and valid-for-everybody) iCCup Rules: don't use hacks, and you won't be banned; don't BM players or staff members, and you won't be banned; don't insult the people who are spending their free time to keep the site and server up, and you are welcome ... nobody will bother you. But: hack, BM or insult our volunteer staff and you will be removed. Period.
And when Admins do same, they will be removed from the Admin list.
Oh wait...
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On June 24 2011 05:25 Sayle wrote:
It sounds like we can go ahead with the event as long as Game is not officially involved. I'm discussing this now with various people. I will contact Paladin as soon as we have something sorted out.
Precisely this, I don't see why anyone cares. We can still make a team and just have everyone make a different tag and not say it's for ISL, when it actually is. The actual qualification doesn't matter that much as long as every1 abides by the same ruling.
edit: wow I should read previous comments before I post, so is the latter stages of this tour still on west where game can run it... I am confused now O,o
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On June 24 2011 09:30 dRaW wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 05:25 Sayle wrote:
It sounds like we can go ahead with the event as long as Game is not officially involved. I'm discussing this now with various people. I will contact Paladin as soon as we have something sorted out. Precisely this, I don't see why anyone cares. We can still make a team and just have everyone make a different tag and not say it's for ISL, when it actually is. The actual qualification doesn't matter that much as long as every1 abides by the same ruling. edit: wow I should read previous comments before I post, so is the latter stages of this tour still on west where game can run it... I am confused now O,o
No the whole thing is now taking place on ICCup as far as I can tell with Game not being able to take part in it in any way shape or form.
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Wow
This is pretty sad considering that ICCup basically hijacked Game's tournament that he worked hard to make worthwhile.
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