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Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
June 02 2011 23:14 GMT
#21
On June 03 2011 07:53 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 07:48 Ganfei2 wrote:
known hackers and "BMers" like Game and JoeKim, .

Source ?


Agreed! Source? I would love to know where I'm a known hacker! I wouldn't bless this blog with any "trolling", it's just a thread filled with the pot calling the kettle black. The fact that I'm sourced commenting on someone derailing a thread, followed by a blog that has been derailed by nothing but personal hatred and spite and nothing with value is a dime a dozen among this team and their few fans.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3048 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 23:16:49
June 02 2011 23:15 GMT
#22
Time for me to move onto StarCraft 2. Will be back when drama's finished.


"TeamLiquidBW. We know Drama."


gg gl hf.
ppp
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
June 02 2011 23:22 GMT
#23
If iccup really wanted to help the brood war community, it would relinquish leadership to people who actually care. As far as I know Cheloman doesn't even play brood war and when is the last time you've heard from someone who likes Messer? Messer is a troll, if it isn't intentionnal then GOD HELP HIM!!
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Boky
Profile Joined December 2010
7 Posts
June 02 2011 23:23 GMT
#24
On June 03 2011 08:09 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 08:05 WiredBomb wrote:
On June 03 2011 07:53 Boblion wrote:
On June 03 2011 07:48 Ganfei2 wrote:
known hackers and "BMers" like Game and JoeKim, .

Source ?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=106047&currentpage=9#176

JoeKim cheated in the TSL by having a korean play for him.

Interesting, didn't know he abused during the TSL but that doesn't mean he is an hacker.

Same for game.

Example of JoeKim being caught hacking is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69911
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
June 02 2011 23:25 GMT
#25
You could say it is somewhat more mature, given the distribution density function of the server. That is, compared to SC2. You see, the premises of drama are taken to a more abstract level, with concepts like personalization of game's death and second order causes of it, with the end result being only indirectly hinted at, but sufficiently enough to trigger a subconscious response on the part of those replying to it.
Aah thats the stuff..
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
June 02 2011 23:30 GMT
#26
On June 03 2011 08:25 xarthaz wrote:
You could say it is somewhat more mature, given the distribution density function of the server. That is, compared to SC2. You see, the premises of drama are taken to a more abstract level, with concepts like personalization of game's death and second order causes of it, with the end result being only indirectly hinted at, but sufficiently enough to trigger a subconscious response on the part of those replying to it.


I will reply to this once I have a Ph.D. in Psychology.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
June 02 2011 23:32 GMT
#27
On June 03 2011 08:14 Game wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 07:53 Boblion wrote:
On June 03 2011 07:48 Ganfei2 wrote:
known hackers and "BMers" like Game and JoeKim, .

Source ?


Agreed! Source? I would love to know where I'm a known hacker! I wouldn't bless this blog with any "trolling", it's just a thread filled with the pot calling the kettle black. The fact that I'm sourced commenting on someone derailing a thread, followed by a blog that has been derailed by nothing but personal hatred and spite and nothing with value is a dime a dozen among this team and their few fans.


Absolutely. This thread is irrelevant because you didn't write it. As far as the "source" is concerned, it was provided for Joekim, but I think you personally fall into the "BMer" category.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 23:37:29
June 02 2011 23:37 GMT
#28
On June 03 2011 08:32 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 08:14 Game wrote:
On June 03 2011 07:53 Boblion wrote:
On June 03 2011 07:48 Ganfei2 wrote:
known hackers and "BMers" like Game and JoeKim, .

Source ?


Agreed! Source? I would love to know where I'm a known hacker! I wouldn't bless this blog with any "trolling", it's just a thread filled with the pot calling the kettle black. The fact that I'm sourced commenting on someone derailing a thread, followed by a blog that has been derailed by nothing but personal hatred and spite and nothing with value is a dime a dozen among this team and their few fans.


Absolutely. This thread is irrelevant because you didn't write it. As far as the "source" is concerned, it was provided for Joekim, but I think you personally fall into the "BMer" category.


Game has nothing to do with JoeKim's abuse, why is he included in your post? Like you wonder why people hate iCCup? NEED A PHD TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT?
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3048 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 23:47:55
June 02 2011 23:47 GMT
#29
Honestly, if this post explained why JoeKim wanted to start a new league while slightly bashinc iCCup, then I would be fine with it.

Including someone else who wasn't involved in the actual incident is not okay. It's more of personal hatred/attack instead of criticizing someone who didn't do anything to 'cheat' in iCCL
ppp
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
June 02 2011 23:49 GMT
#30
On June 03 2011 08:37 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 08:32 ninazerg wrote:
On June 03 2011 08:14 Game wrote:
On June 03 2011 07:53 Boblion wrote:
On June 03 2011 07:48 Ganfei2 wrote:
known hackers and "BMers" like Game and JoeKim, .

Source ?


Agreed! Source? I would love to know where I'm a known hacker! I wouldn't bless this blog with any "trolling", it's just a thread filled with the pot calling the kettle black. The fact that I'm sourced commenting on someone derailing a thread, followed by a blog that has been derailed by nothing but personal hatred and spite and nothing with value is a dime a dozen among this team and their few fans.


Absolutely. This thread is irrelevant because you didn't write it. As far as the "source" is concerned, it was provided for Joekim, but I think you personally fall into the "BMer" category.


Game has nothing to do with JoeKim's abuse, why is he included in your post? Like you wonder why people hate iCCup? NEED A PHD TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT?


People don't hate iCCup, except for mostly abusers and trolls who got shut down. Like, for example, you spamming the News Section with comments, then trying to get me demoted, then making a fake-flag smurf account to spam-comment the news some more.

The reason he was included, Mr. "damn-near-genius", is because he is consistently demeaning and slandering the current iCCup staff, as well as him posting on Joekim's thread to cover his own ass after he said, as I mentioned in the first post:

[To Joekim "With that said, I think you are the best person to do it. You aren't greedy in projects that you work with, and you know a shitton more than any other organizers of clan leagues. In conclusion, I think if you get it up on its feet it will thrive for at least 4 seasons and I'll definitely have my clan participate. Thanks for your foresight and effort Joe."

and then trying to cover his ass by saying "A true testament to iCCupCL =)" after the evidence against Joekim was posted, sarcastically blaming it on us. This is what this post is about. People baselessly bashing iCCup out of spite, like yourself.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
June 02 2011 23:51 GMT
#31
Does not matter what people say, it is the only decent ladder server, use it or do not use it. The moderators are not that strict, definitely not as much as TL, you can still use slight BM and humor and manage to keep your account. If you do get banned on iCCup it is definitely something you deserve,it is just that the public never look at things from the moderator's point of view.
710+ Posts with a Probe Icon =D
anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
June 02 2011 23:57 GMT
#32
the people who are supposed to keep the western bw scene going are burying it deeper and deeper with petty bickering over irrelevant issues, on and on.
'Tis with our Judgements as our Watches, none / Go just alike, yet each believes his own.
Kassploj
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden67 Posts
June 02 2011 23:58 GMT
#33
You claim Eywa and like a dozen other ex-admins were lazy and thus dismissed from their duties. Even if that's true, rather an admin that does nothing than one that does nothing but ban people because they don't like him like Messer does.

It's just silly how iCCup defends Messer and what he does, this morning before work I entertained myself for an hour by just going through his posts in the CAA section. Someone complains about admins passing an unreasonable sentence, and he responds with "not your problem anymore, site ban". You wonder why people doubt your adminstration, look no further than CAA.

I also saw great admin work (read: iCCup.Tenshi), and that deserves to be praised. But if you seriously establish rules that draconically strike down people questioning admins' judgement ("keep your opinions to yourself and you will get the job done"), don't expect to be popular.

dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 00:02:14
June 03 2011 00:00 GMT
#34
Holy Crap!! Needs more popcorn. You guys are great, first on iccup.com page, now on teamliquid.net good reads everywhere to be found. Also, someone should find the definition of hypocrite, I think we all learned something here.

edit: Kass~ above me makes a good point it is illegal to moderate complaints against yourself.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
June 03 2011 00:07 GMT
#35
On June 03 2011 08:58 Kassploj wrote:
You claim Eywa and like a dozen other ex-admins were lazy and thus dismissed from their duties. Even if that's true, rather an admin that does nothing than one that does nothing but ban people because they don't like him like Messer does.

It's just silly how iCCup defends Messer and what he does, this morning before work I entertained myself for an hour by just going through his posts in the CAA section. Someone complains about admins passing an unreasonable sentence, and he responds with "not your problem anymore, site ban". You wonder why people doubt your adminstration, look no further than CAA.

I also saw great admin work (read: iCCup.Tenshi), and that deserves to be praised. But if you seriously establish rules that draconically strike down people questioning admins' judgement ("keep your opinions to yourself and you will get the job done"), don't expect to be popular.


Agreed. Nina employs the classic redefinition trick. Commonly used in political science, demagogy and economics, to implicitly alter the meaning of terms used, hence making them incorrect or correct as desired, while the original taboo or distaste of the word remains despite altered context.
Aah thats the stuff..
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 00:11:55
June 03 2011 00:10 GMT
#36
Derp, got back to this post 10 minutes later after a business conversation, got other things to do.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
June 03 2011 00:42 GMT
#37
The foreign BW community needs iCCup. I hope we can just try to get together as a community...
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
June 03 2011 01:00 GMT
#38
On June 03 2011 09:42 Arnstein wrote:
The foreign BW community needs iCCup. I hope we can just try to get together as a community...


Wrong.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
June 03 2011 01:05 GMT
#39
On June 03 2011 09:07 xarthaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 08:58 Kassploj wrote:
You claim Eywa and like a dozen other ex-admins were lazy and thus dismissed from their duties. Even if that's true, rather an admin that does nothing than one that does nothing but ban people because they don't like him like Messer does.

It's just silly how iCCup defends Messer and what he does, this morning before work I entertained myself for an hour by just going through his posts in the CAA section. Someone complains about admins passing an unreasonable sentence, and he responds with "not your problem anymore, site ban". You wonder why people doubt your adminstration, look no further than CAA.

I also saw great admin work (read: iCCup.Tenshi), and that deserves to be praised. But if you seriously establish rules that draconically strike down people questioning admins' judgement ("keep your opinions to yourself and you will get the job done"), don't expect to be popular.


Agreed. Nina employs the classic redefinition trick. Commonly used in political science, demagogy and economics, to implicitly alter the meaning of terms used, hence making them incorrect or correct as desired, while the original taboo or distaste of the word remains despite altered context.


Here's the problem with that supposition, which is that you make the incorrect assumption that I dictated the original post under a false pretext. If Messer or any admin on iCCup is abusing their authority inequitably, they will be held accountable. The original thesis of this thread I assumed was scripted with the utmost explicable intentions; to counter-argue iCCup's case in a forum which has increasingly becoming a pulpit for propagating baseless anti-iCCup inculcation.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
June 03 2011 01:10 GMT
#40
On June 03 2011 10:00 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 09:42 Arnstein wrote:
The foreign BW community needs iCCup. I hope we can just try to get together as a community...


Wrong.


I'm glad we know where you stand on this issue. Someone says something to try and make peace, and you reply with "wrong."
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
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