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I'm getting really sick of all the misinformation being posted on TL about how the iCCup staff is running some fascist police-state server that hates all dissent and punishes it with bans. I'm not saying that the admin team and leadership is perfect, because we make mistakes, but we don't intentionally go around banning people out of spite.
This is a perfect example:
Champions Clan League Post.
Joekim goes out of his way to say that iCCup "ruined 2 years of my hard work", and that iCCup's clan league was going to end up dying because of how it's being run. The real reason for Joekim's new league post was quickly disclosed, as Tesla explains on her somewhat-difficult-to-read blog:
Tesla's Blog
Here's the official announcement from Messer:
Messer's post on iccup.com
That's right.
Joekim gave a secret account admin powers after he was done serving as an admin, which is absolutely prohibited on iCCup, and he knew this the entire time.
As usual, Game has to pounce on any opportunity to slander iCCup, after getting site-banned and chat-banned multiple times for bm. So, of course, we have this nonsensical statement from him:
Game's usual trolling.
How does this situation pertain to ICC-CL in any way? It doesn't. This was entirely on Joekim's shoulders. We weren't "out to get him". He abused and got caught. ICC-CL admins did what they were supposed to. Joekim even admitted that he knew what it was like to take senseless trash-talk from people in the BroodWar community for no reason, and I agree. I'm tired of people iCCup-bashing on TL like babies when they don't get their own way. It's not that I can't take criticism -- but give it where it is due.
iCCup is trying hard to build BroodWar back up and be a great server. All the admins I work with work hard on a volunteer basis to keep the server going, especially since we've been under-staffed lately. I hope you can appreciate that hard work, and help us with this project bring back the game that we love.
Edit: This thread really turned into a prime example of how some people have a vendetta against iCCup. I hate to single people out, but people who are deliberately divisive in the community should not be supported or encouraged. It's clear from Eywa's posts that he sees himself as a "mastermind" with a self-serving agenda, rather than someone who genuinely wants to help the community.
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Good on you for setting people Straight Nina. For those of you who doubt the image of my blog that nina posted:
http://djtesla.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/vtv-management-scandel/
There is the direct link to the article posted by me. This is no lie. Everything is explained there. As the former Co-Leader of vTv and now the full leader, I must say that this was unprofessional of JoeKim and NO one in the clan knew he did it. We do not support what he did. Infact we thank ICCup and their admins for catching it quickly and not punishing our team for his actions. So thank you ICCup & ICCup Staff
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I don't understand this post... However, I will sit back and wait for it to build up as it's potentially a good read. (After all the comments roll in of course)
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The reason people call this stuff fascist etc is because they're generally uneducated, immature little kids i.e. Game, Joekim. There will ALWAYS be small fry players, in any game with any sort of competitive scene, who assign to themselves exaggerated value and talk about being "targeted" and this or that.
I haven't played SC in 2 years but ICCUP was definitely run by a lot of immature morons, especially at the higher level of administration. Calling them fascists may be a stretch but they were definitely idiots, especially unk and I believe mai-k or something like that, can't really remember.
How long have you been around? There have been a lot of incidents in the history of ICCUP that demonstrate the complete absurdness of their administration's method of dealing with problems. Many of the admins on ICCUP are without even a sliver of a doubt complete idiots.
However, that doesn't necessarily mean that what the people you name are whining about is true either. I think you've got it backwards; many ICCUP admins as well as these two you list are idiots. People who have a history of such idiocy will naturally be taken less seriously, especially known hackers and "BMers" like Game and JoeKim, but even so, their accusations are baseless. When your own ego clouds your judgement of situations that are honestly of no importance whatsoever, there is a problem.
It's kinda funny that they're still playing BW. I guess that when all the better players leave, the mediocre players get to rise to the top.
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Also awaiting Games and JoeKims response since there's nothing better then good BW drama.
Also shiny star for you.
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Post was in vain because doesn't matter how brutal the event came about, something beautiful arose from it, no one cares about Game's trolling because realistically, he's hosting the best BW events. Think about the following questiosn and you might find an answer to the team's confusion as to why people hate them so.
What does iCCup offer? What is keeping people attached to it? When was the last time a tournament organizer hasn't been hated by the iccup team? Why do they troll tournament links when they are uninformed+don't organize their own?
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On June 03 2011 07:48 Ganfei2 wrote:
known hackers and "BMers" like Game and JoeKim, .
Source ?
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On June 03 2011 07:51 Eywa- wrote:
Post was in vain because doesn't matter how brutal the event came about, something beautiful arose from it, no one cares about Game's trolling because realistically, he's hosting the best BW events. Think about the following questiosn and you might find an answer to the team's confusion as to why people hate them so.
What does iCCup offer? What is keeping people attached to it? When was the last time a tournament organizer hasn't been hated by the iccup team? Why do they troll tournament links when they are uninformed+don't organize their own?
Let me counter your statements then. You say he runs the best BW events..Maybe its cause he is the only person really running them right now? If others ran events I am sure they would be just as good IF NOT BETTER. There would at least be less bm. Further more - What does ICCup not have to offer? Do they not offer a FREE server for people to use, FREE of charge? Do they not offer a FREE ladder system, FREE of charge? Do they NOT offer a free admin support team? Do those admins give support to the players, for FREE without getting ANYTHING in return? Since when is anyone who is bad mannered LIKED by ICCup? Oh wait...All of those are clear answers. Never mind :D
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On June 03 2011 07:51 Eywa- wrote:
Post was in vain because doesn't matter how brutal the event came about, something beautiful arose from it, no one cares about Game's trolling because realistically, he's hosting the best BW events. Think about the following questiosn and you might find an answer to the team's confusion as to why people hate them so.
What does iCCup offer? What is keeping people attached to it? When was the last time a tournament organizer hasn't been hated by the iccup team? Why do they troll tournament links when they are uninformed+don't organize their own?
People DO care about trolling, which is why it's calling trolling.
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On June 03 2011 07:54 ICCup.Tesla wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 07:51 Eywa- wrote:
Post was in vain because doesn't matter how brutal the event came about, something beautiful arose from it, no one cares about Game's trolling because realistically, he's hosting the best BW events. Think about the following questiosn and you might find an answer to the team's confusion as to why people hate them so.
What does iCCup offer? What is keeping people attached to it? When was the last time a tournament organizer hasn't been hated by the iccup team? Why do they troll tournament links when they are uninformed+don't organize their own? Let me counter your statements then. You say he runs the best BW events..Maybe its cause he is the only person really running them right now? If others ran events I am sure they would be just as good IF NOT BETTER. There would at least be less bm. Further more - What does ICCup not have to offer? Do they not offer a FREE server for people to use, FREE of charge? Do they not offer a FREE ladder system, FREE of charge? Do they NOT offer a free admin support team? Do those admins give support to the players, for FREE without getting ANYTHING in return? Since when is anyone who is bad mannered LIKED by ICCup? Oh wait...All of those are clear answers. Never mind :D
So simple yet they're hated still?
Also, I'd like to point out Game doesn't seem to be the only one organizing events? Maybe you should read more on TL before saying that.
Edit: haven't seen you post where you weren't hating on someone. Trend?
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On June 03 2011 07:51 Eywa- wrote:
When was the last time a tournament organizer hasn't been hated by the iccup team?
Well, I personally hold no grudge against xts (rD tour) and yoda (nostalgia, defiler.ru). In contrary. I don't think many of the (nowadays active) admins are so emotionally attached to that story/events that you could speak of "hate" or anything that points to undermining events that follow a certain way of manner, respect and common sense. You can accuse the team of many things, doesn't make them true 
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Agreed. IMO iccup staff needs to be taught a lesson in humility and respect. How much longer can this shit go on, even regular guys just minding their own business on the server get griefed by bitter staff. Im not gonna describe in detail cos i dont want to get banned so dont get mad, but im only being real.
And btw gecko u got a lot of nerve to talk like that after all the shit you did, just sayin.
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On June 03 2011 07:57 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 07:54 ICCup.Tesla wrote:On June 03 2011 07:51 Eywa- wrote:
Post was in vain because doesn't matter how brutal the event came about, something beautiful arose from it, no one cares about Game's trolling because realistically, he's hosting the best BW events. Think about the following questiosn and you might find an answer to the team's confusion as to why people hate them so.
What does iCCup offer? What is keeping people attached to it? When was the last time a tournament organizer hasn't been hated by the iccup team? Why do they troll tournament links when they are uninformed+don't organize their own? Let me counter your statements then. You say he runs the best BW events..Maybe its cause he is the only person really running them right now? If others ran events I am sure they would be just as good IF NOT BETTER. There would at least be less bm. Further more - What does ICCup not have to offer? Do they not offer a FREE server for people to use, FREE of charge? Do they not offer a FREE ladder system, FREE of charge? Do they NOT offer a free admin support team? Do those admins give support to the players, for FREE without getting ANYTHING in return? Since when is anyone who is bad mannered LIKED by ICCup? Oh wait...All of those are clear answers. Never mind :D So simple yet they're hated still? Also, I'd like to point out Game doesn't seem to be the only one organizing events? Maybe you should read more on TL before saying that. Edit: haven't seen you post where you weren't hating on someone. Trend?
They do not hate to hate. It is a very well known fact that Game is bm. However this thread is not really about game, its about people getting the wrong Idea about ICCup and what the admins of iccup do. It also explains how JoeKim has clearly abused and can't say anything against ICCup.
Maybe others do host events, you might be right. I haven't read TL in a while.
Also as for your edit, I do not hate on people. I am simply stating facts as they are. Sorry if you take it the wrong way.
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On June 03 2011 07:51 Eywa- wrote:
Post was in vain because doesn't matter how brutal the event came about, something beautiful arose from it, no one cares about Game's trolling because realistically, he's hosting the best BW events. Think about the following questiosn and you might find an answer to the team's confusion as to why people hate them so.
What does iCCup offer? What is keeping people attached to it? When was the last time a tournament organizer hasn't been hated by the iccup team? Why do they troll tournament links when they are uninformed+don't organize their own?
Unfortunately, people will stay on iccup because it's a ladder server so the hate for it is really detrimental, you should try to improve it instead (or when you guys had the chance)*. Furthermore, why would you retort to such a post if it was in vain? Seems to be a conflicting argument since you have so many opinions about it...
* I left the star there because most of the people who bash iccup and how it's run do only that instead of actually trying to help, condescension and trash-talk isn't "helping".
To wrap this up, I just started some popcorn so hopefully there will be plenty of action going down...
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And... here we... go!
I don't care who did the right thing or the bad thing; don't go creating unnecessary drama. JoeKim did the wrong thing before, but that might not be the cause (99% assumption does not mean 100% true), and then someone comes crashing through the door bashing on JoeKim.
Instead of leaving them in their little circle, you chase them down to the end of the Earth to knock'em down? In fact, if people didn't like JoeKim from iCCup-CL (and their POV), then there is no reason to join the tournament in the first place. Hell, they didn't even need a notification on TL stating what he did, since most teams are already on iccup, and most teams are aware of what's going on.
@Tesla
On June 03 2011 07:54 ICCup.Tesla wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 07:51 Eywa- wrote:
Post was in vain because doesn't matter how brutal the event came about, something beautiful arose from it, no one cares about Game's trolling because realistically, he's hosting the best BW events. Think about the following questiosn and you might find an answer to the team's confusion as to why people hate them so.
What does iCCup offer? What is keeping people attached to it? When was the last time a tournament organizer hasn't been hated by the iccup team? Why do they troll tournament links when they are uninformed+don't organize their own? Since when is anyone who is bad mannered LIKED by ICCup? Oh wait...All of those are clear answers. Never mind :D
Do I need to explain one particular person who's always been cleared from every BM he created on the server? I don't think so since you were also a victim.
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Figures a cheater would also host cheaters in his tournaments.
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I don't think this will help anything.
Everyone should just chill out.
We all love this game. Let's not fight amongst ourselves.
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Interesting, didn't know he abused during the TSL but that doesn't mean he is an hacker.
Same for game.
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On June 03 2011 08:02 dRaW wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 07:51 Eywa- wrote:
Post was in vain because doesn't matter how brutal the event came about, something beautiful arose from it, no one cares about Game's trolling because realistically, he's hosting the best BW events. Think about the following questiosn and you might find an answer to the team's confusion as to why people hate them so.
What does iCCup offer? What is keeping people attached to it? When was the last time a tournament organizer hasn't been hated by the iccup team? Why do they troll tournament links when they are uninformed+don't organize their own? Unfortunately, people will stay on iccup because it's a ladder server so the hate for it is really detrimental, you should try to improve it instead (or when you guys had the chance)*. Furthermore, why would you retort to such a post if it was in vain? Seems to be a conflicting argument since you have so many opinions about it... * I left the star there because most of the people who bash iccup and how it's run do only that instead of actually trying to help, condescension and trash-talk isn't "helping". To wrap this up, I just started some popcorn so hopefully there will be plenty of action going down...
Community can be helped without helping iccup.
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