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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8067 Posts
July 11 2009 06:38 GMT
#501
I don't really see how Flash was all that greedy against Kwanro.. 1Rax CC is standard. Anyways, down one game, I expect Flash to lose this series, but it would be cool if he pulled out a 2-1 and advanced. The guy just doesn't seem to pull wins when it counts anymore.
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 07:27:08
July 11 2009 07:26 GMT
#502
On July 11 2009 15:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
I don't really see how Flash was all that greedy against Kwanro.. 1Rax CC is standard. Anyways, down one game, I expect Flash to lose this series, but it would be cool if he pulled out a 2-1 and advanced. The guy just doesn't seem to pull wins when it counts anymore.


It's not the 1rax CC that was overly greedy. It's Flash not getting the comstat after the academy. He chose to save 100mineral 100 gas and to make more SCVs. Not to take away from Kwanro's victory, Flash fell for Kwanro's strategy while Kwanro played it brilliantly.
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8067 Posts
July 11 2009 08:04 GMT
#503
On July 11 2009 16:26 [X]Ken_D wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 15:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
I don't really see how Flash was all that greedy against Kwanro.. 1Rax CC is standard. Anyways, down one game, I expect Flash to lose this series, but it would be cool if he pulled out a 2-1 and advanced. The guy just doesn't seem to pull wins when it counts anymore.


It's not the 1rax CC that was overly greedy. It's Flash not getting the comstat after the academy. He chose to save 100mineral 100 gas and to make more SCVs. Not to take away from Kwanro's victory, Flash fell for Kwanro's strategy while Kwanro played it brilliantly.


Yeah but what I'm saying is when you're controlling a group of marines and SCV's trying to properly trap a group of speedlings in your base without losing too many marines, while another group of speedlings run in, you don't have the money to spend on a comsat, let alone two simultaniously. Flash didn't even have stim or medics when the first group ran in, and didn't even have range (150/150) researched yet for the Lurk attack (or at least not moments before it happened).

If Flash had built the comsats and a bunch of mutas flew in and his marine/turrent count sucked, everybody would have been like "omggggg Flash so greedy! why no marines? why no turrents? NO RANGE?" and people would have been saying the same thing as they are now.

Kwanro did a great build and it's Flash's fault for letting the inital group of speedlings in, but after that there was nothing he could really do without knowing how Kwanro was teching. He chose to expect mutas and got raped by Lurkers. It had nothing to do with a greedy build... and like you said, I'm not saying that to take away from Kwanro's victory or build. It worked perfectly.
GoodWill
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada149 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 10:54:25
July 11 2009 10:53 GMT
#504
On July 11 2009 17:04 Vasoline73 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 16:26 [X]Ken_D wrote:
On July 11 2009 15:38 Vasoline73 wrote:
I don't really see how Flash was all that greedy against Kwanro.. 1Rax CC is standard. Anyways, down one game, I expect Flash to lose this series, but it would be cool if he pulled out a 2-1 and advanced. The guy just doesn't seem to pull wins when it counts anymore.


It's not the 1rax CC that was overly greedy. It's Flash not getting the comstat after the academy. He chose to save 100mineral 100 gas and to make more SCVs. Not to take away from Kwanro's victory, Flash fell for Kwanro's strategy while Kwanro played it brilliantly.


Yeah but what I'm saying is when you're controlling a group of marines and SCV's trying to properly trap a group of speedlings in your base without losing too many marines, while another group of speedlings run in, you don't have the money to spend on a comsat, let alone two simultaniously. Flash didn't even have stim or medics when the first group ran in, and didn't even have range (150/150) researched yet for the Lurk attack (or at least not moments before it happened).

If Flash had built the comsats and a bunch of mutas flew in and his marine/turrent count sucked, everybody would have been like "omggggg Flash so greedy! why no marines? why no turrents? NO RANGE?" and people would have been saying the same thing as they are now.

Kwanro did a great build and it's Flash's fault for letting the inital group of speedlings in, but after that there was nothing he could really do without knowing how Kwanro was teching. He chose to expect mutas and got raped by Lurkers. It had nothing to do with a greedy build... and like you said, I'm not saying that to take away from Kwanro's victory or build. It worked perfectly.


I agree with this, also I want to add that had kwanro's lurkers been scouted on their way to flash's natural, kwanro would have lost. He invested so much into lings and later lurkers that his economy was in shambles. Flash almost saw the lurkers, only if he had sent a second scouting SCV or left one hiding out in the wild ... I know pros don't do that but he could consider that especially given how he had a late satcom, he should have relied more on stray SCVs.

So Flash lost to an ALL-in, what's the big deal?
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
July 11 2009 12:36 GMT
#505
On July 11 2009 15:06 [X]Ken_D wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 10:58 Zoler wrote:
mutas or hydras? lol


You're new. You need early hydra to defend against 1 fact fast 1-2 starport.


I've played for 1.5 years np
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