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fearus
China2164 Posts
On June 25 2009 20:34 samuraibael wrote: Can someone explain how bisu didnt lose that? He was never really behind -lost proxy gates +free had to pull 7 probes at the start and have them kill plyons n gateways -lost expo +killed 12 probes and stopped mining | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
Free allowed Bisu to expo to a 3rd at the same time as him despite his army and econ advantage. That allowed Bisu to come back into the game. Edit: +above post | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On June 25 2009 20:37 fearus wrote: He was never really behind -lost proxy gates +free had to pull 7 probes at the start and have them kill plyons n gateways -lost expo +killed 12 probes and stopped mining free had his 2nd a lot earlier than Bisu and then Bisu lost it too. So he was behind... | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On June 25 2009 20:34 disciple wrote: no, maybe you havent noticed but bisu's core and tech was like a hole minute faster than free's. Bisu's opening was great, he screwed a bit afterwords but he clearly showed better strategic play if not else It's not uncommon to be ahead in tech when you go behind in bases. As a matter of fact, that's pretty much what you always do. Bisu played predictably into Free's build and the only reason he won after the DTs was the impressive storm drops and Free's own incompetence in defending his third. | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
Bisu red at 3 Jangbi white at 9 | ||
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iPF[Div]
Spain572 Posts
On June 25 2009 20:36 kemoryan wrote: What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was. well what i hate about Bisu's "cheeses" is that if he's supposedly the best player in the world he should be able to take a game straight up instead of having to pull stupid shit like this. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 25 2009 20:37 fearus wrote: He was never really behind -lost proxy gates +free had to pull 7 probes at the start and have them kill plyons n gateways -lost expo +killed 12 probes and stopped mining Bisu was actually way behind after he lost his expo. Free had his up and running and even with 12 probes dead he still had 2 nexus going. Free just let Bisu do whatever the hell he wanted for the next few minutes including taking an uncontested third. | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
On June 25 2009 20:36 kemoryan wrote: What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was. Fyi Bisu was ahead after so called "proxy" in front of Free's nat. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On June 25 2009 20:36 kemoryan wrote: What's great about Bisu's "cheeses" is that it gives him the chance to win the game or putting him not too far behind otherwise. So he failed proxy gates, failed DT, and yes he was behind and Free fucked up, but has any of these cheeses succeded Bisu would have been in a greater advantage Free was. Pretty sure that's the case for all cheeses, not just when Bisu does it. | ||
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kemoryan
Spain1506 Posts
On June 25 2009 20:38 SuperArc wrote: free had his 2nd a lot earlier than Bisu and then Bisu lost it too. So he was behind... Yeah he was, but not THAT much. I think the HT drops and good map control were enough to bring him back. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
On June 25 2009 20:37 o3.power91 wrote: Free allowed Bisu to expo to a 3rd at the same time as him despite his army and econ advantage. That allowed Bisu to come back into the game. Edit: +above post But you must consider the map distance, free couldnt attack even if he had 4 more goons or smth. I mean wtf, its not like free killed his own nexus, storm his units or smth? Bisu had faster tech, faster upgrades and abused map distance thats all | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
On June 25 2009 20:38 iPF[Div] wrote: well what we hate about Bisu's "cheeses" is that if he's supposedly the best player in the world he should be able to take a game straight up instead of having to pull stupid shit like this. Jaedong 5 pools sometimes. He's still awesome and loved | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
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craaaaack
479 Posts
On June 25 2009 20:33 GTR wrote: Hwasin is probably the most popular out of the new-gen players. how is hwasin new-gen? he has been around forever <.< | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1711 Posts
bisu at 3 jangbi at 9 | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
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kemoryan
Spain1506 Posts
On June 25 2009 20:40 craaaaack wrote: how is hwasin new-gen? he has been around forever <.< I guess he meant comparing him to the likes of Boxer, Yellow, Nada, Reach, etc. | ||
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iPF[Div]
Spain572 Posts
On June 25 2009 20:40 craaaaack wrote: how is hwasin new-gen? he has been around forever <.< pretty sure he debuted like a year before bisu too. New-gen would be like skyhigh, hiya, gogo, movie, effort, etc imo | ||
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On June 25 2009 20:38 iPF[Div] wrote: well what we hate about Bisu's "cheeses" is that if he's supposedly the best player in the world he should be able to take a game straight up instead of having to pull stupid shit like this. His games vs jaehoon n free shows that his 2 gate dt forge expo isn't really an all in cheese. He planted the expo and canons before the dts even popped and realised free went obs and yes he lost his expo and free had a 2nd BUT: 1 base with 30 probes isnt really very far behind 2 bases with 16 probes | ||
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