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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
February 17 2009 10:29 GMT
#381
On February 17 2009 19:28 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2009 19:28 bumatlarge wrote:
well in all honesty kal got a lucky scout, savior went hte wrong direction. Savior assumed kal wouldnt be a faggot and took the min only BUT LO AND BE-FUCKING-HOLD 2gate.


how is going two gate "fag"...?

-__________-;;

It used to be called manly...


Depends who's doing it. Double standards and all that.
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Fwmeh
Profile Joined April 2008
1286 Posts
February 17 2009 10:30 GMT
#382
IMHO, Savior should not have wasted lings early on, and gone in with ling/muta/scourge during the time the pylon to the two gates were gone. He only had two goon out at that time IIRC, and sairs dont do much against lings.
A parser for things is a function from strings to lists of pairs of things and strings
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 10:33:42
February 17 2009 10:30 GMT
#383
Edit: That poll was blasphemous. Removed.
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10833 Posts
February 17 2009 10:30 GMT
#384
On February 17 2009 19:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Most people bitch when people try to correct pros because they believe they are infallable but savior REALLY handled that zealot rush horribly. The opening I don't blame him for because he didnt scout p early BUT:

It was inexcuseable for him to not cancel the 3rd hatch right away once the zeals arrived at his nat. Instead he waited for the zs to compeltely finish off his nat and then canceled it as soon as they walked up to it. Making it nothing more than a completely waste of minerals and a big delay. He shouldve canceled immediately upon seeing the zs and remade it in his main. This would have made his muta transition a lot more smooth.


Yeah that was really weird, I kept thinking "why isnt he cancelling that hatch?"
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iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
February 17 2009 10:30 GMT
#385
all is lost =(
Xellos <3
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
February 17 2009 10:31 GMT
#386
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
February 17 2009 10:31 GMT
#387
On February 17 2009 19:27 Cambium wrote:
I'm pretty certain he can take kal... so it's really just hwasin

lol

Skyhigh is a dog to Kal, July, Hwasin, Notice, Bogus, Calm and probably even Shuttle and SoO.

But, you know, if STX puts out Tossgirl he has a shot.
amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
February 17 2009 10:31 GMT
#388
On February 17 2009 19:27 Cambium wrote:
skyhigh all kill?

I'm pretty certain he can take kal... so it's really just hwasin

Both Calm and July are still there.
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
February 17 2009 10:31 GMT
#389
On February 17 2009 19:31 3clipse wrote:
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On February 17 2009 19:27 Cambium wrote:
I'm pretty certain he can take kal... so it's really just hwasin

lol

Skyhigh is a dog to Kal, July, Hwasin, Notice, Bogus, Calm and probably even Shuttle and SoO.

But, you know, if STX puts out Tossgirl he has a shot.


Sexism sexism sexism sexism.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
astalkulo
Profile Joined October 2007
United States444 Posts
February 17 2009 10:31 GMT
#390
On February 17 2009 19:30 Fwmeh wrote:
IMHO, Savior should not have wasted lings early on, and gone in with ling/muta/scourge during the time the pylon to the two gates were gone. He only had two goon out at that time IIRC, and sairs dont do much against lings.


that was an option but dont forget Kal still had probes to help him defend until those cannos got up plus kal placed 3 zealots in savior ramp so that delay the attack
FearDarkness
Profile Joined February 2009
United States519 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 10:32:37
February 17 2009 10:31 GMT
#391
Dang I shouldn't have said STX being a threat to CJ after beating Oz . I jynxed it guys.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
February 17 2009 10:32 GMT
#392
On February 17 2009 19:30 Fwmeh wrote:
IMHO, Savior should not have wasted lings early on, and gone in with ling/muta/scourge during the time the pylon to the two gates were gone. He only had two goon out at that time IIRC, and sairs dont do much against lings.


Wasn't his ramp still sealed at that point?
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x89titan
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Philippines1130 Posts
February 17 2009 10:32 GMT
#393
it'e the end of the world.
Heaven came down and glory filled my soul, when at the cross the Savior made me whole
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10833 Posts
February 17 2009 10:32 GMT
#394
On February 17 2009 19:32 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2009 19:30 Fwmeh wrote:
IMHO, Savior should not have wasted lings early on, and gone in with ling/muta/scourge during the time the pylon to the two gates were gone. He only had two goon out at that time IIRC, and sairs dont do much against lings.


Wasn't his ramp still sealed at that point?


Yeah, and his drone drill left something to be desired
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
February 17 2009 10:32 GMT
#395
On February 17 2009 19:27 Cambium wrote:
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On February 17 2009 19:26 darktreb wrote:
It really wasn't that bad of a loss for Savior. I mean, you can argue if it was a bad build or not but he played pretty well afterward and came close to making a game of it.


uh... he never had a chance throughout the game...


I said he came close to making a game of it. A couple of lucky breaks (aka bad mistakes by Kal) and he would have had a little bit of breathing room. He sniped some Corsairs early but not enough, and missed his blind shot in the dark Shuttle snipe. What else do you want? It was bad not to scout, but aside from that what can you do when Kal scouts correctly first and is close position and you choose to 3 Hatch?
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
February 17 2009 10:33 GMT
#396
On February 17 2009 19:31 amorpheus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2009 19:27 Cambium wrote:
skyhigh all kill?

I'm pretty certain he can take kal... so it's really just hwasin

Both Calm and July are still there.

July's cursed becouse hes on my fantasy team.
Sux ~~
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
February 17 2009 10:33 GMT
#397
Also its fucking idiotic to say savior didnt get outplayed that game. He got completely outplayed that game. Ya the scouting was unfortunate but his reaction was so poor that I was completely convinced the zealot rush would win flat out. Thats why I was so amazed when he managed to make a game out of it.

Kal played that masterfully. His one and only mistake was no cannon at his nat before the mutas arrived. Possibly another mistake was to not just move in early on and kill the one sunk(there was a small opening but kal didnt have map hack after all) but this is risky and kal wanted to play it safe.

The 2 gate was an unexpected and highly intelligent exploitation of the greedy way zerg normally plays the map. Despite the distances not being to far AND there being a ramp for zeals to guard.
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Rodiel
Profile Joined August 2006
France573 Posts
February 17 2009 10:33 GMT
#398
Damn savior loose :/
OSWater
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1343 Posts
February 17 2009 10:34 GMT
#399
Ew.. Look at Kal's box head.
I hope Skyhigh stomps him
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Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
February 17 2009 10:34 GMT
#400
On February 17 2009 19:29 disciple wrote:
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On February 17 2009 19:28 Mooncat wrote:
On February 17 2009 19:26 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On February 17 2009 19:25 Mooncat wrote:
Well, that was bad luck, basically... 2 Gate Rush, Savior scouting wrong direction, Kal scouting right direction, not much you can do when you go 12hatch, pool, 3rd hatch. At least he didn't get outplayed.


Yes, it's called scouting with one of the 17 drones he made before his first ling. The minerals from canceling his expo could have easily made the difference in the game.



Seriously, when was the last time you've seen a Protoss go 2-gate on a map that's well suited for a forge fast expand? Exactly.

bisu vs calm on the same map, and KTY got owned by 9pool




+ 08-06-21 Shinhan08 Proleague Andromeda Calm Loss

You do know that this was 8 months, more than HALF A YEAR ago, do you? What I'm trying to say is that you can't call it a mistake when you assume your opponent is going forge fast expand. 12 hatch, pool, 3rd hatch is a standard build vs. toss, even unscouted. Heck, you could even go for double hatch before pool.



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