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On September 24 2008 14:24 Ilvy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 14:00 Machine[USA] wrote:
well yes i will admit, while in estro he did not play the actual pros very much but when he did he still was getting more exposure than any of us forginers, including nony. Also he was A- rank on iccup so its not like they were newbies, he was still getting good training but by far what did it was the time period of his practice. Imagine being forced to sit in a room and play as many games as you can for 12 hours a day every day for months..... Thats some serious training. Also, now that he Joined CJ he ONLY is allowed to play CJ members which are very good, and he plays them once again for a full 12 hours a day, and greg even puts in extra practice as well. I personally havent seen him and tyler play lately, tyler is awsome their is no doubting that but he does not have the advantage that greg has as far as practice goes, and i do believe that idra's mechanics are better. Once again im not saying Idra is going to rape usa finals easy, we have some solid players, but he SHOULD win. If you had to put money on anyone it should be the progamer whos been sitting in korea playing thousands of games vs pros. Massgaming does not make you win, natural sense and talent does ^^
this is gonna come off as biased since the general perception is that im a mass gamer but
why does almost everyone seem to value 'natural talent' (whatever that is) over hard work? its better to be born lucky than to have work ethic? so you happen to naturally have fast hands or a good mind for strategy games.. where does that get you in life? moreover, what does it show about the quality of your character? nowhere, and nothing. whereas someone capable of applying themselves and working really hard to accomplish a goal will succeed in whatever they choose, and it also shows something about their character, to have will power and self control and whatnot.
(and you're wrong btw, put garimto or whoever you want up against one of the 16 year old pro team practice drones, guess whos gonna win)
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Idra was between the 3/4 best in USA when he left to go Korea, now he should be the best, still not by such an edge that avoids him to lose when facing the others (imho) , I mean, let's say he has 75% possibilities of beating Nony, G5, and Artosis (almost randomly picked "best"), suppose he faces all of them during his way through the tournament, if you multiply 75% x 75% x 75% = about 42%, add the little possibility of losing to some other supposed "lesser" names and it goes below 40%
This means that Idra is probably the best, but all the others definetly have a shot at winning this
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On September 23 2008 07:16 CaucasianAsian wrote:
gotchya so who is going to cast it? tasteless? artosis when not playing?
Diggity and I (moletrap) will be casting it... eSportsTV will have coverage at wcglive.com - afaik live audio/video but I don't know for sure
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On September 24 2008 17:49 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 14:24 Ilvy wrote:On September 24 2008 14:00 Machine[USA] wrote:
well yes i will admit, while in estro he did not play the actual pros very much but when he did he still was getting more exposure than any of us forginers, including nony. Also he was A- rank on iccup so its not like they were newbies, he was still getting good training but by far what did it was the time period of his practice. Imagine being forced to sit in a room and play as many games as you can for 12 hours a day every day for months..... Thats some serious training. Also, now that he Joined CJ he ONLY is allowed to play CJ members which are very good, and he plays them once again for a full 12 hours a day, and greg even puts in extra practice as well. I personally havent seen him and tyler play lately, tyler is awsome their is no doubting that but he does not have the advantage that greg has as far as practice goes, and i do believe that idra's mechanics are better. Once again im not saying Idra is going to rape usa finals easy, we have some solid players, but he SHOULD win. If you had to put money on anyone it should be the progamer whos been sitting in korea playing thousands of games vs pros. Massgaming does not make you win, natural sense and talent does ^^ this is gonna come off as biased since the general perception is that im a mass gamer but why does almost everyone seem to value 'natural talent' (whatever that is) over hard work? its better to be born lucky than to have work ethic? so you happen to naturally have fast hands or a good mind for strategy games.. where does that get you in life? moreover, what does it show about the quality of your character? nowhere, and nothing. whereas someone capable of applying themselves and working really hard to accomplish a goal will succeed in whatever they choose, and it also shows something about their character, to have will power and self control and whatnot. (and you're wrong btw, put garimto or whoever you want up against one of the 16 year old pro team practice drones, guess whos gonna win)
dude idra.
We finally agree on something.
I've always thought it was more courageous and interesting to invest 100% of yourself into something knowing that you didn't start off ahead of the game but rather behind it. Not just in bw, in life. I'm more drawn to the perfectionist workhorse.
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eh i tend to believe that no one starts off that far ahead or behind in the first place, the whole idea of natural talent is kinda silly. beyond people with physical disabilities no ones hands are incapable of going 300 apm, and you can be the best player in the world with less than that. i suppose dumb people have a bit of a disadvantage, but at the state the game is in now you dont have to be a rocket scientist to play.
in a side note, luxury was just traded to KTF.
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On September 24 2008 18:22 IdrA wrote:
eh i tend to believe that no one starts off that far ahead or behind in the first place, the whole idea of natural talent is kinda silly. beyond people with physical disabilities no ones hands are incapable of going 300 apm, and you can be the best player in the world with less than that. i suppose dumb people have a bit of a disadvantage, but at the state the game is in now you dont have to be a rocket scientist to play.
in a side note, luxury was just traded to KTF.
Well the reason I say 'behind' in your case had nothing to do with talent or anything like that it had to do with experience. The people your playing with have been for the most part playing professionally longer then you have, and with better resources ... 5-6 years of starcraft on tv everynight and alot of real life friends who watch the games with you and play with you... helps I'm sure.
You aren't just taking on each oppt you'll meet right now, your taking on flash/jaedong/best ect... who have spent years to get where they are. Daniel lee said it takes what two years to properly nuture a pro gamer ... I know he always says something like that... that is what I ment, not a talent refrence at all  .
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well peeps, we'll see who wins this.
iknow nony will do his best ;d gl nony go for 1st place.
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Sorry to ask such a newb question, but how can I attend the WCG USA finals matches in person? I live in LA and would love to see these games as they happen. Do I need to buy tickets? I looked all through the WCG USA site and didn't see anything. Is it open to the public? Do I have to register for the E For All Expo?
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On September 28 2008 16:41 hanmunjae wrote:
Sorry to ask such a newb question, but how can I attend the WCG USA finals matches in person? I live in LA and would love to see these games as they happen. Do I need to buy tickets? I looked all through the WCG USA site and didn't see anything. Is it open to the public? Do I have to register for the E For All Expo?
I believe you have to buy tickets to the Expo and WCG is one of the "booths" at the Expo.
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Best chance for USA at WCG GRAND FINALS is Idra and Nony. Don't think anyone else can hang with them. I would include Yosh in there but from what I hear he isn't that active.
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who will be the "Unknown" since there is 1 spot left ? :O is it dino?
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Am I the only person voting for IdrA to win WCG USA?
What the hell?
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Because i was hella busy.. due to 2 hurricans back to back hitting where i live >_>
~Wish i could go but even tho i cant.. i will be rooting for some amazazazing games and wishing for some great upsets! which IMO is what makes WCG usa better then any other wcg event 
GL to all my friends and practice partners: Control/Artosis/Machine/Idra/G5/Nony! MAY THE MOST LUCKY CHEESING NEWBY WIN!!!
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MAY THE MOST LUCKY CHEESING NEWBY WIN!!!
impossible!
you're not gonna be there 
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Whoever goes take lots of pictures from the event, and if possible make some videos!
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On September 29 2008 06:18 SCC-Faust wrote:
Am I the only person voting for IdrA to win WCG USA?
What the hell?
i'm totally with you
there is so few of us :[
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On September 24 2008 18:22 IdrA wrote:
eh i tend to believe that no one starts off that far ahead or behind in the first place, the whole idea of natural talent is kinda silly.
watch slayer documentary gg :>
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