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EVER OSL 2007 SEMIFINAL MATCH A0130 Pacific Time / 0430 Eastern Time / 1830 Seoul Time  UpMagiC vs  JaedongSouthpaw vs Legend KillerPlayers
UpMagiC is a scene favorite these days, a player known for an array
of daring game openings, counter-intuitive tech choices, and sound
transitions into orthodox play. Like BoxeR before him, Up is gifted
with the MagiC to entertain through novelty gameplan alone, whilst
victory is often times simply the closing remark to an already vastly
satisfying performance.
Having risen from a difficult round-of-16 group and boldly delivered in a
sensational quarterfinal encounter, UpMagiC will now be thoroughly
tested in his one weak match-up against an opponent widely said to be
the current "ZvT Incarnate."
Don't be fooled though, if there's one player out there whose ability to
play is not accurately reflected by his stats, he's UpMagiC.
Deliberately absent from a recent Proleague match, our magician
has surely conjured up a wealth of deathdealers in anticipation of the
opening pledge.
In the wake of sAviOr's decline, a new hallmark of dominance in the
prestigious ZvT match-up inevitably revealed himself to be Jaedong,
whose efficiency and lethality in the ongoing battle against Terran is
surpassed by no known Zerg contemporary.
To paraphrase Marencielo: "Jaedong attacks with an abandon that is
relentless but hardly reckless - invigorated by a confidence of having little
or nothing to lose."
Arriving at the height of semifinal by way of feeble Terran resistance,
Jaedong is met by a gatekeeper that is unlike any other of his kind.
For once he has everything to gain or lose as the tension rides high
and the stakes higher. Can Jaedong overcome a strategic-inclined veteran OSLer and ascend to the zenith of professional StarCraft
competition?
Many seem to think so, others do not; but only time will tell that tale.
Battlefields
Set 1 - Persona
Set 2 - Blue Storm
Set 3 - Fantasy II
Set 4 - Katrina
Set 5 - Persona
"Seize This Moment"Final Results+ Show Spoiler +JaedongJaedongJaedongJaedong is your EVER OSL 2007 2nd place finisher...!  G'nite all :z
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8748 Posts
Rooting for Up.
That first picture contains great shots of both players.
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we all know jaedong will take this.... he is the z v t god!!
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United States7488 Posts
If the better is going to win, then we will be one step closer to seeing the next Royal Roader
이제동 화이팅!
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I never thought I'd root against a zerg player but I love UpMagiC so much that he'd better win this <3
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United States1655 Posts
Jaedong for the Royal Road!
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
I really like both but I just want Up to win more because I think he deserves it more, but then again I want Jaedong to win the whole thing :\ I'm hoping for some epic game and hope Up puts up a good fight against Jaedong. :p
oh and nice opening post and nice grapics.
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jezuz christ upmagic drew a shitty map pool, persona twice against a zerg ?!? not to mention bluestorm which is monstrously in zerg favor and fantasy II that also seems to favor zerg, dont know much bout katrina tho
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On December 07 2007 09:06 Wizard wrote:
Jaedong, 3-1.
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I really hope that Up.magic will win, if only for the sake of an entertaining finals (Jaedong vs P is no thnx).
Voted Jaedong though; probably going to be 3-1.
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I devote my heart to UpMagiC... but I sincerely have difficulties imagining him as victorious, especially on those maps. It really IS his worst matchup, if he hasn't magically improved in the past few weeks.
But fuck it, imma skip school and cheer for the true magician, the neo emperor, the man with the flame who knows how to make Starcraft into ART.
I'm just worried  .
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Lose or win he WILL make the match entertaining!
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8748 Posts
What's bad about Persona for TvZ?
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map in favor of Jaedong 3-1
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I love both of the players in this match, but I root for the Swarm. Go Jaedong!
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On December 07 2007 09:20 NonY[rC] wrote:
What's bad about Persona for TvZ?
I know there's something about Persona that makes it tough TvZ, I just can't quite put my finger on it.
I don't know, maybe the open middle or something.
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may the better player win and hope for a great series!
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cant wait to see what up comes up with on persona
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Jae Dong! You can make the finals, DO IT.
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On December 07 2007 09:23 Jyvblamo wrote:I know there's something about Persona that makes it tough TvZ, I just can't quite put my finger on it. I don't know, maybe the open middle or something.
Do lurkers attacks hit units under swarm? They are classified as ranged right?
EDIT: Nvm, the splash damage. Oh well, at least UP got decently far.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
On December 07 2007 09:14 Shauni wrote:I devote my heart to UpMagiC... but I sincerely have difficulties imagining him as victorious, especially on those maps. It really IS his worst matchup, if he hasn't magically improved in the past few weeks. But fuck it, imma skip school and cheer for the true magician, the neo emperor, the man with the flame who knows how to make Starcraft into ART. I'm just worried .
UpMagic is NOT the neo Emperor. You can't be neo Emperor with your TvP being better than your TvZ! Period.
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Hoping for UpMagiC to pull through, and eventually a Bisu vs. UpMagiC final, but any of the possible combinations for the finals should be fun to watch.
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We all know jaedong is gonna kill upmagic, Jaedong FtW
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On December 07 2007 09:23 Jyvblamo wrote:
I know there's something about Persona that makes it tough TvZ, I just can't quite put my finger on it.
I don't know, maybe the open middle or something.
I think it's got a lot to do with the fact that zerg can use the dark swarm to delay pushes quite a bit. The early advantage of M>Z with micro is negated, for instance, with a few zerglings placed in the terran dark swarm to force the push to be delayed until firebats, a few lurkers placed in some dark swarms delay a push until tanks, etc. When used right, the neutral dark swarm kind of ends up being an extra help until the zerg player can start manually dropping their own dark swarms.
Just a guess, anyways.
EDIT:
Savior kinda abused that fact against like, CuteAngel or whatnot, forced Cute to mass up firebats and just tore him apart.
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On December 07 2007 09:14 Shauni wrote:I devote my heart to UpMagiC... but I sincerely have difficulties imagining him as victorious, especially on those maps. It really IS his worst matchup, if he hasn't magically improved in the past few weeks. But fuck it, imma skip school and cheer for the true magician, the neo Emperor, the man with the flame who knows how to make Starcraft into ART. I'm just worried .
Neo Emperor = Casy
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Jaedong will, unfortunately, tear Upmagic apart. He is very good against innovation, as he has already shown several times against Light and other Terran players, and the map pool other than Katrina obviously favors him. Upmagic's only chance may be that Jaedong has recently lost 3 games (Gasp!) quite mundanely in ZvT (losing to the early MM+Bat push, for example, and his ZvT looked very human and vincible in his past few games), breaking his 12371203784732497234 win streak in that category.
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If I remember right, Upmagic said in an interview that he was a school friend with Jaedong or something like that. As much as I want to see Upmagic win this, Jaedong's odds are probably a lot better. Wouldn't be the first time I've said that before a match only to be wildly disproven though, so an entertaining match going to the 5th is all I can ask for~
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i like up and i love jaedong...
hoping for a 5-match set! good games = everybody wins! =)
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Too bad we could've seen Hwasin vs Jaedong tonight ;\.
My vote is on UpMagiC for tonight simply because Jaedong as failed to impress me on the new maps and always comes up with the same approach, which I'm sure UpMagiC will counter.
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I don't think of Jaedong always using the same approach. I've always enjoyed watching his art ZvT.
It'll be interesting to see what Up comes "up" with to stop Jaedong.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On December 07 2007 12:14 Elwood Blues wrote:
If I remember right, Upmagic said in an interview that he was a school friend with Jaedong or something like that. As much as I want to see Upmagic win this, Jaedong's odds are probably a lot better. Wouldn't be the first time I've said that before a match only to be wildly disproven though, so an entertaining match going to the 5th is all I can ask for~
I think this is the article to it.
On November 25 2007 04:17 Live2Win wrote:
Well apparently there's "history" between JaeDong and UpMagic, them becoming progamers around the same time, having gone to the same highschool, and were the top 2 gamers in their highschool, often competing against each other. They also rose to fame around the same time.
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MY HEART IS TORN
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United States20661 Posts
Hoping for a good match.
Jaedong for Royal Road!
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
This is so obviously JD's. Any other result would be an insane upset.
I'm actually guessing 3-0 rape.
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I'm hoping for Upmagic to take this. In a matchup where the odds are as one-sided as this, I can't help but go for the underdog, even if that underdog is a Terran. Upmagic should make it exciting either way though.
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On December 07 2007 13:05 Live2Win wrote:
This is so obviously JD's. Any other result would be an insane upset.
I'm actually guessing 3-0 rape.
You sir are going to be proven wrong by Mr. Shin Hee Seung <3
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I'm back.
It's all speculation until it happens people.
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Upmagic will have a uphill battle tonight.
Persona is a bad map for T, its too easy to get expos with lurks... and persona is being played twice.
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joohyunee
Korea (South)1087 Posts
I'm hoping Upmagic can pull some magic but... JD's so strong T_T
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J-J-J-J-Jaedong FTW :D
That guy looks badass too
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On December 07 2007 13:34 joohyunee wrote:
I'm hoping Upmagic can pull some magic but... JD's so strong T_T
Upmagic is going to turn his ID into Downmagic after this Bo5 hahaha
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Upmagic is gonna dropship elevate all his MM into Jaedongs base on Persona - and get away with it twice
/hope
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It's a BITCH to format the OP without html!!!!111
I updated it, it should kick more ass now.
I'll be back.
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i think jaedong will take it, seriously, this guy has some skill in ZvT.
btw, happy birthday LR & joohyunee!
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On December 07 2007 13:37 Equinox_kr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 13:34 joohyunee wrote:
I'm hoping Upmagic can pull some magic but... JD's so strong T_T Upmagic is going to turn his ID into Downmagic after this Bo5 hahaha
No, he's going to turn it into Sea.Upset 
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shoot got a damn english final tomorrow, but definately gonna watch this
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I voted Jaedong in the Liquibet because I think he's going to win.
However, both of these players are excellent - Jaedong in straight-up ZvT and UpMagiC with always upsetting something. There is no way that this Bo5 is going to be lackluster and I look forward to watching the VODs when it finishes.
I hope that there's some happy brotherhood congratulations for whoever wins between them. Maybe a hug onstage or something.
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Any TL-people going to I-Park Mall to watch the games today? I'm thinking of going but my lame friends don't wanna pay the KTX ticked price to be there on time, so I guess I'll have to go by myself.
Anyways, I'm betting my money on Jaedong but I think Up has a better shot than people think. There should be some great games today none the less.
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I voted Jaedong, but I think Upmagic will win, he has impressed me recently.
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
On December 07 2007 14:39 Jetamania wrote:
Any TL-people going to I-Park Mall to watch the games today? I'm thinking of going but my lame friends don't wanna pay the KTX ticked price to be there on time, so I guess I'll have to go by myself.
Anyways, I'm betting my money on Jaedong but I think Up has a better shot than people think. There should be some great games today none the less.
you know what to do, tlnet sign FTW
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
I get this nagging feeling that Jaedong is just going to slaughter UpMagiC, no matter how good Up looks on paper (and I think I'd rather have Up win too)
Either way, this is actually an awesome round of semifinals and finals for that matter, most exciting OSL in a LONG time.
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On December 07 2007 15:07 intrigue wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 14:39 Jetamania wrote:
Any TL-people going to I-Park Mall to watch the games today? I'm thinking of going but my lame friends don't wanna pay the KTX ticked price to be there on time, so I guess I'll have to go by myself.
Anyways, I'm betting my money on Jaedong but I think Up has a better shot than people think. There should be some great games today none the less. you know what to do, tlnet sign FTW
He had fucking better otherwise his ass is outta here.
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On December 07 2007 14:18 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 13:37 Equinox_kr wrote:On December 07 2007 13:34 joohyunee wrote:
I'm hoping Upmagic can pull some magic but... JD's so strong T_T Upmagic is going to turn his ID into Downmagic after this Bo5 hahaha No, he's going to turn it into Sea.Upset
woah nice. I am definately gonna call him that if he wins
Sea.Upset Fighting!
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Personally, I'm not that excited about this matchup. Bisu vs Stork is where I believe the real final is happening. Both those players will show an exemplary one sided rape of Jaedong when they win (I like Up, but no chance). Jaedong doesn't seem to have the mind of a player like Savior. Very good at timing, mechanics, standard play. However to beat either of these Protoss geniuses he;ll have to come up with a lot more than he's ever proven before.
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Very favourable map draw for Jaedong.
I think it will be 3-0. Up's stats vs Zerg players of a decent calibur are horrible. If you look at his games vs Jaedong, GGplay, Savior, Yarnc, Gorush and Luxury, he's 25%.
ZvT is a harder matchup for zergs though, so this could work in his favour.
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On December 07 2007 15:17 RowdierBob wrote:
ZvT is a harder matchup for zergs though This isn't really true for Jaedong, you know.
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Why is a tl.net sign bad exactly?
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Jaedong plays very good against terran fast exper. I think Up has to try different cheese rushes. And btw i'm almost sure that the game will be close... very close, ended with 3-2 score. Only dunno which player wins.
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On December 07 2007 15:11 IaniAniaN wrote:
Personally, I'm not that excited about this matchup. Bisu vs Stork is where I believe the real final is happening. Both those players will show an exemplary one sided rape of Jaedong when they win (I like Up, but no chance). Jaedong doesn't seem to have the mind of a player like Savior. Very good at timing, mechanics, standard play. However to beat either of these Protoss geniuses he;ll have to come up with a lot more than he's ever proven before.
Trust me, stork will get demolished.
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lol TL superstition
stork will be fine
and if he loses it's cus he lost, not cus some invisible bogeyman is pulling the strings
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I want to see his FPVODS after, just to see how many times he re-checks his goon range.
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Upmagic will pull an upset and win the entire OSL
Hell, if someone knew to play Persona it would be Upmagic
UPMAGIC FIGHTING
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wat the crap? why didnt upmagic thumbsdown persona?
or is that a MSL only thing?
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On December 07 2007 16:19 ray1234 wrote:
wat the crap? why didnt upmagic thumbsdown persona?
or is that a MSL only thing?
MSL only, they just random the maps in OSL i think.
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United States7166 Posts
wow these threads just get better and better.
awesome writeup and pictures. god im excited
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United States7166 Posts
UpMagic + Persona TvZ as games 1 and 5 + OSL SEMIFINAL = WIN
we will see some magic for sure. damn im gonna have to stay up for this one.
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An upmagic win is a win for the terrorist.
Which side are you on?
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On December 07 2007 15:07 EvilTeletubby wrote:I get this nagging feeling that Jaedong is just going to slaughter UpMagiC, no matter how good Up looks on paper (and I think I'd rather have Up win too) Either way, this is actually an awesome round of semifinals and finals for that matter, most exciting OSL in a LONG time.
Hm... but Jaedong is the one who looks good on paper.
Jaedong (ZvT) : 30-16 (65.22%)
UpMagiC (TvZ) : 9-12 (42.86%)
Based on statistics, Jaedong has a high probability of coming out on top. Jaedong has already beaten UpmagiC once before, earlier this year.
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I want Nada to win this OSL, but that doesn't appear to be possible.
THUMBS UP FOR UP MAGIC
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Osaka27151 Posts
On December 07 2007 15:28 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Why is a tl.net sign bad exactly?
It isnt. It is mandatory if you go to an event.
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Jaedong 3-1 or 3-2. It's his first bo5, isn't it? If so, nerves will cause him to lose at least 1 game, but skill-wise he should rape Upmagic.
Jaedong vs. Hwasin would have been a much more fitting matchup...
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Melbourne5338 Posts
Jaedong had a BO5 last season against the rock, he went 1-3 i think.
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i think jaedong will make it but i hope up can pull out a tvz we had never expected from him and win this series
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The write up was very fun.
Personally, I am a huge Up lover, but that guy has never played a cool TvZ.
TvT and TvP he has played so many good ones.
He gets me all excited because he's so unpredictable... reminds me so much of Boxer.
OSL final 4 is always so damn gosu, wtf ~_~ so sick.
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On December 07 2007 15:23 Pyrthas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 15:17 RowdierBob wrote:
ZvT is a harder matchup for zergs though This isn't really true for Jaedong, you know.
Sorry, I should claify what I meant - every race has a "hard" matchup so to speak. For P it's PvZ, Z it's ZvT and T it's TvP. Even though some a good at the harder matchups it comes back to the T>Z>P>T BWism.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On December 07 2007 17:51 RowdierBob wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 15:23 Pyrthas wrote:On December 07 2007 15:17 RowdierBob wrote:
ZvT is a harder matchup for zergs though This isn't really true for Jaedong, you know. Sorry, I should claify what I meant - every race has a "hard" matchup so to speak. For P it's PvZ, Z it's ZvT and T it's TvP. Even though some a good at the harder matchups it comes back to the T>Z>P>T BWism.
tell that to Bisu
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Hungary11297 Posts
My heart is rooting for yet another dark-horse terran, but Jaedong has such impressive stats and ZvT gameplay - although lately he seemed to want the win too much and too early, like in game2 against Light.
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On December 07 2007 17:52 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 17:51 RowdierBob wrote:On December 07 2007 15:23 Pyrthas wrote:On December 07 2007 15:17 RowdierBob wrote:
ZvT is a harder matchup for zergs though This isn't really true for Jaedong, you know. Sorry, I should claify what I meant - every race has a "hard" matchup so to speak. For P it's PvZ, Z it's ZvT and T it's TvP. Even though some a good at the harder matchups it comes back to the T>Z>P>T BWism. tell that to Bisu
These days it feels like the players create the imbalances.
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Jaedongs ZvT is fun but I'm always rooting for the Terran
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gogo upmagic.
+ Show Spoiler +My bet: 836 on Up.
With these percentages, you may win: 2590. ;O
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On December 07 2007 17:52 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 17:51 RowdierBob wrote:On December 07 2007 15:23 Pyrthas wrote:On December 07 2007 15:17 RowdierBob wrote:
ZvT is a harder matchup for zergs though This isn't really true for Jaedong, you know. Sorry, I should claify what I meant - every race has a "hard" matchup so to speak. For P it's PvZ, Z it's ZvT and T it's TvP. Even though some a good at the harder matchups it comes back to the T>Z>P>T BWism. tell that to Bisu
Bisu is the only one who doesn't have trouble against zerg.
The vast majority of protoss players struggle against zerg. ZvP was always the "easy win" for zergs.
Just because Bill Gates earns easy money doesn't mean that all computer programmers can also be rich. Bill Gates is a single individual. Such as Bisu.
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whoever wins better win the whole thing. stork and bisu are both miserable villains
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I think Up stands a better chance than Jaedong if he reaches the final. Against either Bisu or Stork, Jaedong is as good as dead :D
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On December 07 2007 18:25 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 17:52 Live2Win wrote:On December 07 2007 17:51 RowdierBob wrote:On December 07 2007 15:23 Pyrthas wrote:On December 07 2007 15:17 RowdierBob wrote:
ZvT is a harder matchup for zergs though This isn't really true for Jaedong, you know. Sorry, I should claify what I meant - every race has a "hard" matchup so to speak. For P it's PvZ, Z it's ZvT and T it's TvP. Even though some a good at the harder matchups it comes back to the T>Z>P>T BWism. tell that to Bisu Bisu is the only one who doesn't have trouble against zerg. The vast majority of protoss players struggle against zerg. ZvP was always the "easy win" for zergs. Just because Bill Gates earns easy money doesn't mean that all computer programmers can also be rich. Bill Gates is a single individual. Such as Bisu.
That's his point. -.-
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On December 07 2007 17:45 SuperJongMan wrote:
The write up was very fun.
Personally, I am a huge Up lover, but that guy has never played a cool TvZ.
TvT and TvP he has played so many good ones.
He gets me all excited because he's so unpredictable... reminds me so much of Boxer.
OSL final 4 is always so damn gosu, wtf ~_~ so sick.
Thanks.
NEVER played a COOL TvZ? Jo crazy dude!
Check this shizzit out - 2fac+machine shop individual proxy
I'd tell you all right now: If Hwasin had won, this BO5 would be standard as hell.
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On December 07 2007 18:26 boghat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 18:25 WhatisProtoss wrote:On December 07 2007 17:52 Live2Win wrote:On December 07 2007 17:51 RowdierBob wrote:On December 07 2007 15:23 Pyrthas wrote:On December 07 2007 15:17 RowdierBob wrote:
ZvT is a harder matchup for zergs though This isn't really true for Jaedong, you know. Sorry, I should claify what I meant - every race has a "hard" matchup so to speak. For P it's PvZ, Z it's ZvT and T it's TvP. Even though some a good at the harder matchups it comes back to the T>Z>P>T BWism. tell that to Bisu Bisu is the only one who doesn't have trouble against zerg. The vast majority of protoss players struggle against zerg. ZvP was always the "easy win" for zergs. Just because Bill Gates earns easy money doesn't mean that all computer programmers can also be rich. Bill Gates is a single individual. Such as Bisu. That's his point. -.-
No, it's not. -_-;
He thinks that Bisu's dominance against zerg eliminates the notion that P's weakness is PvZ.
I'm saying that a single case doesn't matter. Just like Bill Gates's success doesn't mean that computer science is an easy field.
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i fell in love with ups game since that longinus vs yarnc, so i must disagree SJM
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On December 07 2007 18:27 .dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 17:45 SuperJongMan wrote:
The write up was very fun.
Personally, I am a huge Up lover, but that guy has never played a cool TvZ.
TvT and TvP he has played so many good ones.
He gets me all excited because he's so unpredictable... reminds me so much of Boxer.
OSL final 4 is always so damn gosu, wtf ~_~ so sick. Thanks. NEVER played a COOL TvZ? Jo crazy dude! Check this shizzit out: 2fac+machine shop individual proxyI can't tell you all right now - If Hwasin had won, this BO5 would be standard as hell.
His mecha builds on Monty Hall were quite good TvZ, I've always thought that UpMagiC is a lot better on maps he practises on.
BTW starts now!
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I wouldnt think it would be a one sided-rape, I think it would end up as 3-2 in Jaedong's favor, with exciting games =D.i wish good luck to both *grabs popcorn*
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On December 07 2007 18:32 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 18:26 boghat wrote:On December 07 2007 18:25 WhatisProtoss wrote:On December 07 2007 17:52 Live2Win wrote:On December 07 2007 17:51 RowdierBob wrote:On December 07 2007 15:23 Pyrthas wrote:On December 07 2007 15:17 RowdierBob wrote:
ZvT is a harder matchup for zergs though This isn't really true for Jaedong, you know. Sorry, I should claify what I meant - every race has a "hard" matchup so to speak. For P it's PvZ, Z it's ZvT and T it's TvP. Even though some a good at the harder matchups it comes back to the T>Z>P>T BWism. tell that to Bisu Bisu is the only one who doesn't have trouble against zerg. The vast majority of protoss players struggle against zerg. ZvP was always the "easy win" for zergs. Just because Bill Gates earns easy money doesn't mean that all computer programmers can also be rich. Bill Gates is a single individual. Such as Bisu. That's his point. -.- No, it's not. -_-; He thinks that Bisu's dominance against zerg eliminates the notion that P's weakness is PvZ. I'm saying that a single case doesn't matter. Just like Bill Gates's success doesn't mean that computer science is an easy field.
Okay, I get what you mean now then. I think the real point though is that Bisu has proved that racial imbalances mean nothing if you're skilled, just like Savior proved with ZvT earlier. For the mediocre progamer though PvZ seems to remain a challenge, as does ZvT, even for Savior these days. Anyway, you guys aren't really arguing about anything.
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Hungary11297 Posts
So c'mon folks, stop discussing, start hyping: UP UP AND AWAY!
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On December 07 2007 18:37 boghat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 18:32 WhatisProtoss wrote:On December 07 2007 18:26 boghat wrote:On December 07 2007 18:25 WhatisProtoss wrote:On December 07 2007 17:52 Live2Win wrote:On December 07 2007 17:51 RowdierBob wrote:On December 07 2007 15:23 Pyrthas wrote:On December 07 2007 15:17 RowdierBob wrote:
ZvT is a harder matchup for zergs though This isn't really true for Jaedong, you know. Sorry, I should claify what I meant - every race has a "hard" matchup so to speak. For P it's PvZ, Z it's ZvT and T it's TvP. Even though some a good at the harder matchups it comes back to the T>Z>P>T BWism. tell that to Bisu Bisu is the only one who doesn't have trouble against zerg. The vast majority of protoss players struggle against zerg. ZvP was always the "easy win" for zergs. Just because Bill Gates earns easy money doesn't mean that all computer programmers can also be rich. Bill Gates is a single individual. Such as Bisu. That's his point. -.- No, it's not. -_-; He thinks that Bisu's dominance against zerg eliminates the notion that P's weakness is PvZ. I'm saying that a single case doesn't matter. Just like Bill Gates's success doesn't mean that computer science is an easy field. Okay, I get what you mean now then. I think the real point though is that Bisu has proved that racial imbalances mean nothing if you're skilled, just like Savior proved with ZvT earlier. For the mediocre progamer though PvZ seems to remain a challenge, as does ZvT, even for Savior these days. Anyway, you guys aren't really arguing about anything.
That wasn't the main point of the original statement. *shrug*
He never cared about one single person. Sure, somebody can break the mold, but the mold says: PvZ is hard.
Enjoy the games. Jaedong fighting~
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Yay
Starting
I BELIEVE IN YOU UPMAGIC
Show me some good games
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I really don't care who wins, I'm just hoping for good games. And yeah, whatever, let's just watch =)
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PERSONA STARTED SO HYPED
GO UP
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UPMAGIC GOGOGOGOGGOGGOGGOGOG ! ! MY TERRAN HERO! THE HOPE OF ESTRO!
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Persona is ON, Jaedong right side in purple trunks, Upmagic left side, red trunks.
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that mother fucker looks tired as hell...
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JaeDong 3 UpMagic 9
Who's reporting?
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On December 07 2007 18:43 L!MP wrote:
that mother fucker looks tired as hell...
UpMagicEyes
ahh!! i am seeign burrow lurkers.
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Go ahead LonelyMargarita if you want, my stream is buffering too much for real reporting. However if noone steps up, I will drop a line every now and then.
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Looks like 12 pool speedlings for Jaedong. Up's going for a tech build... factory.
I only do reports if no one else wants to. So feel free to step up if you feel like it; I will welcome you with open arms.
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im afraid of refreshing this page in case i get spoiled x.x stupid buffering daum
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Ax the statement about speedlings. Jaedong used the early gas to start his lair while he took his natural. Two factory build from Up, both of which are in his base. Insane, I know.
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Dual Fac with dual machine shop for upmagic, sending out 4 vultures now. Jaedong going for spire and expansion.
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Up's going to die to 2 hatch muta
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Spire started for Jaedong, still only two hatcheries. Jaedong uses an overlord to scout Up's main while he uses around 10 speedlings (yes, he got speed relatively early) to kill Up's initial vulture.
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1 base build... I wonder!
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Up with maybe six speedy vultures. Spire done for Jaedong. Up has zero anti-air.
Up plants a few mines and tries to use them to clear the zerglings from under Jaedong's dark swarm. It works. He gets a few vultures into Jaedong's main, but they die almost immediately to mutalisks and zerglings.
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Jaedong has literally zero drones but he'll win
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Vultures broke through to Jaedongs Mainbase, getting ALL the drones there. Mutas went to counter and are raping Up's mineral line right now - goliaths being reproduced, but cannot fight the mutas.EIGHT supply for up, FIFTEEN for Jaedong, but the mutas should win this.
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Up sneaks more vultures in and kills a few more drones. Up trying to fight off Jaedong's initial mutalisks (six or so) with a bunker, but he can't sneak any marines into it. First goliath out for Up, which Jaedong kills.
Jaedong not mining at his main, but he has 2-3 drones going at his natural. Up down to like two SCVs.
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JD should have this. he owns the air and can auto heal.
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give up man, we dont have all day fro bo 5.
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Eight for Up, 10 for jaedong now. Neither is mining. Upmagic rescued one goliath into the dark swarm.
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Up has vultures parked at Jaedong's main and natural, so Jaedong isn't mining. But Up can't do anything. Zero SCVs. He just lifted all of his buildings and is floating them away to... I have no idea where he plans to go with them...
Oh, I think Up's going to try and park them under a dark swarm for the draw.
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ahahaha that game was really fun to watch.
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ignore my "cute game comment", our streams aren't synced...
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Even if the match was over the second Up failed to scout the 2 hatch muta, Up really made Jaedong fight for his win.
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persona is truly in sync with up's style, as he said it would be
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Jaedong mining at his main with two drones. Up lands his buildings at his natural and makes a goliath.
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The God of ZvT takes game 1!
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Up loses his CRITICAL vulture and GGs.
Jaedong > Up @ Persona
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That was a hugely entertaining opening :D
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Jaedong can just mass scourge ftw, right?
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That game looked cool on the surface but it really kinda sucked, I dunno, whatever.
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If Up had floated earlier before losing so many goliaths to the mutas he might even have taken this - but how should he have known that it would turn into such a situation.
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lol CRITICAL vulture..
That was a very close game, I just don't understand why Up wasn't prepared for muts... Did he simply mess up his timing or something?
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Upmagic thought jaedong didn't have money for drones so that if he got a goliath under the dark swarm and killed the remaining lings he could draw the game by floating his buildings above the swarm with goli cover. It turns out jaedong did have enough money to make drones and Up just wasted 2 minutes of our lives
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I think the bunker was simply not filled which he had in his mineral line - a bunker with 2 facs reinforcing goliaths might have been enough.
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They both played well, Mutas just proved much more versatile than vults. Jaedong is just really good is all if you're asking why Up wasn't ready.
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On December 07 2007 18:55 Nintu wrote:
lol CRITICAL vulture..
That was a very close game, I just don't understand why Up wasn't prepared for muts... Did he simply mess up his timing or something?
Think Jaedongs mutas were a little earlier than he predicted and he didn't get his scout through...
It was actually quite close, because if he had got a bunker with a few marines ready he'd have won.
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On December 07 2007 18:55 Nintu wrote:
lol CRITICAL vulture..
That was a very close game, I just don't understand why Up wasn't prepared for muts... Did he simply mess up his timing or something?
Jaedong's early gas sped up his mutalisk timing, so it's very possible.
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On December 07 2007 18:55 NovaTheFeared wrote:It turns out jaedong did have enough money to make drones and Up just wasted 2 minutes of our lives Wasted? I found the goliath and vulture running for cover under dark swarm extremly cute!
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nice opening, if not for the positions Up would've defended the muta and taken it
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On December 07 2007 18:54 Aesop wrote:
If Up had floated earlier before losing so many goliaths to the mutas he might even have taken this - but how should he have known that it would turn into such a situation.
nah he couldnt do a thing, he can hide the scv and goliath but they gotta come out sooner or later once jaedong gets econ back.
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Only saw the last third or so, but it was funny. 
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I don't see how that would have been a draw even if up managed to get the float buildings and goli darkswarm cover though. Muta regen hp so it would take an hour but it's still a guaranteed win for Jaedong.
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What the fuck @ Up's cheerful.
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From the replay it looks like jaedong could have killed the scv building the armory and delayed goliaths for a bit, but he went for the marine. I don't know if that was intentional or not.
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On December 07 2007 18:58 anch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 18:54 Aesop wrote:
If Up had floated earlier before losing so many goliaths to the mutas he might even have taken this - but how should he have known that it would turn into such a situation. nah he couldnt do a thing, he can hide the scv and goliath but they gotta come out sooner or later once jaedong gets econ back.
My idea was rather: Float factories when still ~600 minerals. Produce goliaths under dark swarm so you get enough to chase mutas away. This way he lost pairs of 2 goliaths bit by bit instead of having them grouped. Anyway, I am not implying that he SHOULD have done it or KNOWN what the game would develop into.
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Well, the first game managed to be both off the wall and mildly entertaining.
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On December 07 2007 19:00 ktp wrote:
from the replay it looks like jaedong could have killed the scv building the armory and delayed goliaths for a bit
ya scv was like bloody red.
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Wow, bud you have to read what other people said before you speak.
As mentioned before the reason UP floated his buildings to the DS location was because he thought dong didn't have enough for any drones and perhaps would get a draw if anything.
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I think Up's chances just went from like ~45% to like 25% at best, that was disappointing, but I'm still rooting for him.
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both players are sweating profusely
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apparently no bbs from up
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On December 07 2007 19:01 Showtime! wrote:
Wow, bud you have to read what other people said before you speak.
As mentioned before the reason UP floated his buildings to the DS location was because he thought dong didn't have enough for any drones and perhaps would get a draw if anything.
you know, buildings are not invincible under swarm
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For him to even make it a close game on Persona is pretty damn good
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Up never really had a chance vs. Jaedong on this map pool, it's the stuff dreams are made of in ZvT. If this was the map pool in Shinhan3 Savior wouldn't have lost a game.
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Up walls with a rax and academy, a fake while he actually goes wraiths
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Up 8 barracks, double supply, gas.
Jaedong 10 (?) pool, hatchery at his natural.
Up adding an academy at his choke to form a wall.
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Blue storm
Jaedong 7 yellow
UpMagiC 1 blue
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UpMagic rax/gas again. Jaedong 12 pool/hatch.
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Omg, starport, hes going to use wraiths to harass
edit: 2 STARPORTS !! Jaedong doesnt know anything as lings cant get thru and overlord afk
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twoport wraiths kicking ass
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On December 07 2007 19:05 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Up never really had a chance vs. Jaedong on this map pool, it's the stuff dreams are made of in ZvT. If this was the map pool in Shinhan3 Savior wouldn't have lost a game.
I agree, for some reason I still think Up has a chance though. Jaedong is playing his extremely good self though so whatever we'll see.
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nice faking standard acad play with blockin
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Jaedong has no hydra den, his spire just finished but he has no overlords, Up harassing with maybe half a dozen wraiths!
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hahahahahaha
Jaedong morphs the creep colony at his main into a sunken, not a spore.
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up is already transitioning to normal play after getting far ahead with wraiths
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Aesop here, reporting:
Upmagic has 2 wraiths out before Jaedong has his spire / spores finished, gets some overlord kills. By now 6 wraiths over Jae's base who does not have enough airpower to combat them yet. Counterattack with lings repelled by bats / rines at the wallin. Expansion started for Up.
bisu build.
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every effective build is a bisu build now or something?
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pretty douche of Up and his harass, but JD should get another spore.
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Up does a cute job at harassing with wraiths, he has an "overlord in 2 volley" mass now. Loses some in a small skirmish, but his transition should be coming soon. 88 vs. 55 supply.
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On December 07 2007 19:12 boghat wrote:
every effective build is a bisu build now or something?
Everything involving harassment, fast expansion, protoss, or zerg, is now a Bisu Build.
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Wtf how did he come back.
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ive never seen so many rines die to so few mutas in so little time
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i think jaedong muta harassed his way back into the game
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Mutalisks are now going crazy at Up's expansion. Up just wanted to send out a MM force but is forced to come back to defend. Mutas brutally mutilate the MM force and it looks good for Jaedong all of a sudden.
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Lol, once you think he has the game, the mutas come in the play.
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omg his muta control is godlike
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youve GOT to be kidding me
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how the hell did that happen wtf
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muta terror, split into two group. harassing both base.
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omg beautiful
Dual muta harass!
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Jaedong controlling two harassing groups now, one at the main, one at the expansion. He is also ahead in supply. Finally groups up the two forces ot have almost 1 1/2 control groups and rapes Up's expansion - gg 2-0.
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move over july, jaedong's mutas can play double penetration...just sick multi task and muta control in general O_O
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I think jaedong has attack +1 for muta
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Korean watchers on Daum: "Lee Jaedong is a god."
It looked like Upmagic had the advantage, but Jaedong didn't lose many drones. Thus, his 3-hatch mutalisk succeeded, because he was so rich.
gg
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maybe time to play straight up
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HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW HOW
Possibly the most amazing comeback I have ever seen.
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Jaedong has excellent Muta control, while UpMagic showed weak marine control when he lost his first offensive group of mnm force.
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A lot of people have talked jokingly about two groups of muta harassing perfectly in 2 different spots, and we just saw it!
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JD probably typed whats mine is mine. damn mutas just popped out of no where, lol.
Light should not take notes, he sucks anyway.
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wow Jaedong is fucking insane
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I think Up got a LITTLE too comitted with his wraiths, thinking he could save them somehow. An earlier transition to tower / MM could have served him better.
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Holy shit, it seemed like jaedong was way behind and it was only a matter of time before the number of mm's would grow critical, and he pulls off some crazy dual mutalisk harass...afk changing pants, jaedong you're my hero <3
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Yeah that was a crazy comeback... his ZvT is just amazing.
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On December 07 2007 19:17 NovaTheFeared wrote:
A lot of people have talked jokingly about two groups of muta harassing perfectly in 2 different spots, and we just saw it!
No we didn't.
We saw Jaedong micro one group, divert Up's army, retreat, and send in his second group. It was still "single control" at all times.
Added: Nice enough, sure, but this wasn't some absurd micromanagement. Players do it every time they get their opponents' attention before an MM or reaver drop.
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Damnit why did Up move out so early with his marine group? Jaedong hadn't even started 3rd exp yet so up had all the time in the world to power and defend. I think he was very careless.
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+1 armor muta vs unupgraded marines goes a long way
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Upmagic should have won the game but he didn't kill drones with the wraiths despite Jaedong making a sunken instead of spore colony in his main. Only a handful of drones died and 2 base still > 1 base. I think it looked worse for Jaedong than it was early on, but once jaedong got a few mutas in the air he just mauled Upmagic.
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if up just killed some drones after all the ovies died (instead of attacking the spire... wtf...)
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Thats it
From this day onward
Jaedong is GODZERG
He did the godlike move,dual muta micro, which we thought was a joke
STILL
UPMAGIC FIGHTING
3-2 plz
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Jaedong's ZvT is still by far the best right now though.
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omg... if u hv 6 wraiths and jaedong has no spire no spores and no hidra den... ¿why kill ovies????? just kill the fuking drones, or the emergin spire. what tipe of units he can spawn that can kill u? zrlings?
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On December 07 2007 19:18 DJEtterStyle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 19:17 NovaTheFeared wrote:
A lot of people have talked jokingly about two groups of muta harassing perfectly in 2 different spots, and we just saw it! No we didn't. We saw Jaedong micro one group, divert Up's army, retreat, and send in his second group. It was still "single control" at all times. Added: Nice enough, sure, but this wasn't some absurd micromanagement. Players do it every time they get their opponents' attention before an MM or reaver drop.
agreed.
but you have to admit that was pretty insane execution by Jaedong
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On December 07 2007 19:20 sovietico wrote:
omg... if u hv 6 wraiths and jaedong has no spire no spores and no hidra den... ¿why kill ovies????? just kill the fuking drones, or the emergin spire. what tipe of units he can spawn that can kill u? zrlings?
what english is that? senior.
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yea, he had 2 groups but controlled 1 at a time.
up unfortunately only killed overlords and hardly any drones, jaedong had 2base mining for too long
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/sigh. You're not going to win a Bo5 vs Jaedong making those decisions up :/
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Yeah, UpMagic messed that up though but, most games are won by mistakes anyway, that's nothing new.
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Upmagics harass was horrible. He didnt kill almost no drones, only overlords, that gave Jaedong lots of resources, and poof, once he gets enough supply he gets like streams of mutas. So poor by Upmagic not having vessel with irridate earlier. But great play by Jaedong. Doulbe muta harass was so awsome :o
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On December 07 2007 19:20 Sunyveil wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 19:18 DJEtterStyle wrote:On December 07 2007 19:17 NovaTheFeared wrote:
A lot of people have talked jokingly about two groups of muta harassing perfectly in 2 different spots, and we just saw it! No we didn't. We saw Jaedong micro one group, divert Up's army, retreat, and send in his second group. It was still "single control" at all times. Added: Nice enough, sure, but this wasn't some absurd micromanagement. Players do it every time they get their opponents' attention before an MM or reaver drop. agreed. but you have to admit that was pretty insane execution by Jaedong
Completely agreed. But saying it was "perfect dual mutalisk harass" is horribly inaccurate and deceptive.
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HAHAHAHHAA. I love OGN commercials.
Don't play Starcraft without manner. You might want to kick his ass in person, then find out he's your boss. Hilarious!
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Even if Upmagic had managed to kill the spire, which would have been huge, it wouldn't have done nearly as much damage to Jaedong as killing the 10++ drones he could have managed in that time. I couldn't believe Up targeted the spire when Jaedong had a poorly placed spore at his nat and a very late spore at his main.
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So, please don't let this be over in 3 games - so far there was some wacky play, but nothing really epic. Lets see proper terran balls and lurker ling masses.
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That spore at natural covered his drones
but the main was disappointing, could've raped it clean or at least shut it down and made it into 1base mining
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The games are pure entertainment without the emotional investment of Bisu vs Savior and the like. I'm starting to like these two quite a bit.
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On December 07 2007 19:20 sovietico wrote:
omg... if u hv 6 wraiths and jaedong has no spire no spores and no hidra den... ¿why kill ovies????? just kill the fuking drones, or the emergin spire. what tipe of units he can spawn that can kill u? zrlings?
At first, he only had 2 wraiths in Jaedong's base. Killing drones with 2 wraiths takes a long time, so it's better to target the overlords. It hurts to lose many overlords just before you want to get mutas, so Jaedong could only get a few scourges and mutas at first, had to build another spore in his main, and then slowly stock up in overlord and muta count.
I think Upmagic did the right thing with his wraiths (Jaedong was in trouble), but lost because of sloppy M&M control and probably because his transition from wraith to expansion and M&M wasn't smooth/good enough.
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Jaedong's Muta harass looked a lot better than it really was I think. UpMagic fucked that one up. I'll have to rewatch that game, it was an interesting one.
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I'm hoping for good positioning on Fantasy II here o_o;;
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now I hope for a 3-0. I really need to study but I cant stop watching
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Nobody will ever perfectly micro 2 groups of muts in different places. And clearly, Jaedong hasn't done this today, though he did execute 2 muta raids at once with very good control.
I've been playing some Team Melee with friends lately and it totally just occurred to me how amazing 2 people controlling 2 different groups of muts at the same time.. Just frightening..
Excellent execution by Jaedong, there's no denying he's a ZvT monster.
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On December 07 2007 19:26 Brutalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 19:20 sovietico wrote:
omg... if u hv 6 wraiths and jaedong has no spire no spores and no hidra den... ¿why kill ovies????? just kill the fuking drones, or the emergin spire. what tipe of units he can spawn that can kill u? zrlings? At first, he only had 2 wraiths in Jaedong's base. Killing drones with 2 wraiths takes a long time, so it's better to target the overlords. It hurts to lose many overlords just before you want to get mutas, so Jaedong could only get a few scourges and mutas at first, had to build another spore in his main, and then slowly stock up in overlord and muta count. I think Upmagic did the right thing with his wraiths (Jaedong was in trouble), but lost because of sloppy M&M control and probably because his transition from wraith to expansion and M&M wasn't smooth/good enough.
after a while when there were no ovies, it was worth killing the drones
that is all we are saying
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Jaedong looks a little like savior with that pissed off grin o_o;
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Yeah, sure, when the overlords are dead you can target drones of course.
But overlords were a higher priority for Upmagic at first (to delay muta/scourge), so I can understand that he didn't go after the drones at first.
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On December 07 2007 19:29 .dragoon wrote:
Jaedong looks a little like savior with that pissed off grin o_o;
Jaedong strikes me as a cross between Anytime and Savior (in looks)
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if up wins this then he can win katrina ez and then game 5 it shall be
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On December 07 2007 19:29 .dragoon wrote:
Jaedong looks a little like savior with that pissed off grin o_o;
nah, Jaedong never looks pissed off like Savior, at least not yet he hasn't
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Good locations for Up to start Fantasy II.
Cmon Up, 0-3 is too harsh for how awesome he's done to be here.
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On December 07 2007 19:32 boghat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 19:29 .dragoon wrote:
Jaedong looks a little like savior with that pissed off grin o_o; nah, Jaedong never looks pissed off like Savior, at least not yet he hasn't
That's because he hasn't lost 3-0 in a Starleague final to Bisu yet.
But don't worry, we'll all see that face in two weeks. ^^
Added: For the record, I think Stork is going to advance over Bisu.
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Cmon up, take this one! Jaedong top right in red, Upmagic bottom right in yellow, Jaedong overlord-scouting counterclockwise, that is, in the wrong direction.
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Upmagic with CC before raxx, walling off his expansion with 2 raxx and 1 bunker and exploiting Jaedong's lack of scouting. Jaedong going for speedlings and hydra den.
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Upmagic made a chobo mistake.
Ugh.
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Ok, that was anticlimatic
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everyone that bet Jaedong can sleep happy and early tonight.
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Easy wins for Jaedong. =/ Boring.
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WOOO Jaedong is in the OSL finals.
So sick~ A royal roader!!!
if Stork wins.. ~_~ dun dun dunnnnn
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omg. i didn't add the times, but did jaedong just beat boxer's record for shortest semi final?
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Three times wacky build, three times losing fast. Disappointing to say the least.
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I haven't felt this shafted since Boxer went 0:3 vs Savior in the Superfight.
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3-0 rape , but whatever i got 5 points on liquibet =D, but that was really good on jaedong part, exploiting the minerals which upmagic didnt think he would do that.
Props to Jaedong, pimp play
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On December 07 2007 19:38 SuperJongMan wrote:
WOOO Jaedong is in the OSL finals.
So sick~ A royal roader!!!
if Stork wins.. ~_~ dun dun dunnnnn
lol WORST FINAL EVER
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wow what fucking boring games. very disappointed in Up's play this series
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lool 3-0 so quick.
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On December 07 2007 19:38 Aesop wrote:Ok, that was anticlimatic
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Poor Upmagic, he ran into a monster today.
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3-0 never even thought about getting a hive either.
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Ugh. Terrible by Upmagic. A disappointing final, to say the least : /
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jesus christ i went from 27th to 19th in the liquibet rank
8 of the people that were above me have extra chromosomes
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On December 07 2007 19:39 ChezGod wrote:
wow what fucking boring games.
On December 07 2007 19:42 Elwood Blues wrote:
I'm the first to admit among UpMagiC fans that it's his builds and ideas that make him entertaining, not the refinement of his play.
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I'm the first to admit among UpMagiC fans that it's his builds and ideas that make him entertaining, not the refinement of his play. Even so though, that was disappointing
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On December 07 2007 19:39 intotherainx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 19:38 SuperJongMan wrote:
WOOO Jaedong is in the OSL finals.
So sick~ A royal roader!!!
if Stork wins.. ~_~ dun dun dunnnnn lol WORST FINAL EVER
Would you rather see Jaedong vs Bisu? Jaedong and Stork are more equally matched when it comes to ZvP.
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On December 07 2007 09:00 Ace wrote:
UpMagic 3-0 Jaedong
GOD THE FUCKING IRONY
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1 hour for 3 games and commercials Over too quickly.
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On December 07 2007 19:41 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
jesus christ i went from 27th to 19th in the liquibet rank
8 of the people that were above me have extra chromosomes
weird i only go from 45->43.
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I for one would love a Stork versus Dong final because they both lick balls when it comes to PvZ and ZvP alike. Ha ha ha.
Too bad this won't happen because of Stork's bad karma. Oh well.
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On December 07 2007 19:39 GeLaar wrote:
omg. i didn't add the times, but did jaedong just beat boxer's record for shortest semi final?
no way, how can this be faster than 3 bunker rushes?
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hell yea! gg jaedong, keep it up!
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
I hope Up gets 3rd place in OSL now. He deserves it more than anyone else.
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*sigh* Hwasin would at least have prolonged his death for a while.
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400~500 Apm for JD.
jesus.
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I'm surprised a pro would not have his marines back at the side minerals, then load bunker at a frontal assault. He must have slipped up.
I just noticed JaeDong's name is actually 제동, not 재동. Any reason it's not written as JeDong (as standard romanization would suggest? I didn't want to make a thread just on that...
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Well now
Just pray it isnt Bisu, because then, it will be the worst finals ever
3-0 raep EZ np, and it will be shorter than theese matches
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Hungary11297 Posts
Lets say it like this: If Jaedong *somehow* beats Bisu in ZvP, he is sure as hell the candidate for next bonjwa
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Bar Stork's losses to Savior, iirc his PvZ has been quite good of late. I'd give him the advantage over Jaedong, and the two of them did have an entertaining game in the groups.
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On December 07 2007 19:44 Aepplet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 19:39 GeLaar wrote:
omg. i didn't add the times, but did jaedong just beat boxer's record for shortest semi final? no way, how can this be faster than 3 bunker rushes?
Boxer bunker rushed 3 times, he didn't kill with 3 bunker rushes
I voted for who I believe would give us the best final. By beating UpMagiC, Jaedong has already finished this OSL in 2nd place.
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Melbourne5338 Posts
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On December 07 2007 19:50 .dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 19:44 Aepplet wrote:On December 07 2007 19:39 GeLaar wrote:
omg. i didn't add the times, but did jaedong just beat boxer's record for shortest semi final? no way, how can this be faster than 3 bunker rushes? Boxer bunker rushed 3 times, he didn't kill with 3 bunker rushes
The first game he started with a bunker rushed which crippled Yellow.
The next two games though he killed Yellow with the bunker rushes.
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On December 07 2007 19:47 LonelyMargarita wrote:
I'm surprised a pro would not have his marines back at the side minerals, then load bunker at a frontal assault. He must have slipped up.
I just noticed JaeDong's name is actually 제동, not 재동. Any reason it's not written as JeDong (as standard romanization would suggest? I didn't want to make a thread just on that...
you know the two are the same, right?
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if you mean the difference between 재 and 제, then no, the two are not the same. As for romanizations, yeah, the difference between the two is small enough that I'm sure there's tons of confusion.
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Anyone could say what was the chobo mistake Up did in the last game?
I din´t get home in time to watch the games =[
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Melbourne5338 Posts
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someone add up the duration. the 2nd game in this semi was 14 minutes and change. the third was definitely less than 5. the first less than 10. it must be less than 30 mins overall.
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lol what a hilarious series
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On December 07 2007 19:54 blagoonga123 wrote:
if you mean the difference between 재 and 제, then no, the two are not the same. As for romanizations, yeah, the difference between the two is small enough that I'm sure there's tons of confusion.
you pronounce them the same way
edit: besides, subtle changes can't be caught in romanizations
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With maps like these + zerg doesn't win gold = 
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Jaedong is a great player, i really like him but his ZvP is just.. bad
Legend of the fall i guess, a protoss has to win this osl
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On December 07 2007 19:54 Sadness wrote:
Anyone could say what was the chobo mistake Up did in the last game?
I din´t get home in time to watch the games =[
He was at RoV position on Fantasy and he scouted speedlings, yet he only defended his 'main entrance', he didn't scout or put marines at the offensive minerals. Jaedong could just mine and run through. I'm a bit disappointed, but at least the 2 first games were more entertaining than your normal TvZ.
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You don't need to think about "legend of the fall" when either Bisu or Stork is in the final: they will win the final.
But if Jaedong takes this OSL serious and prepares a LOT for this final, then he can put up a good fight and maybe even win... his current ZvP performance suggests otherwise, but in SC there's always an upset every now and then.
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On December 07 2007 19:54 blagoonga123 wrote:
if you mean the difference between 재 and 제, then no, the two are not the same. As for romanizations, yeah, the difference between the two is small enough that I'm sure there's tons of confusion.
The romanization would be:
제 = je
재 = jae (jä)
For swedes it's pretty simple since we have "ä" and "e" which is almost exactly the same thing as ㅐ and ㅔ. It may be confusing for americans who haven't studied a foreign language before... I don't know.
I hear koreans generally don't make a big difference between them though when speaking. They pretty much say "ae" most of the time no matter what symbol is used so the correct official romanization would be "Je Dong", but the romanization of korean is very often not what it actually sounds like. Take the vowel ㅡ for example which is pronounced like the "u" in "gum", but romanized as "eu".
I'm not korean and just study it for fun so please tell me if I'm wrong.
Sorry for OT.
low econ zerg fighing btw.
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On December 07 2007 19:47 LonelyMargarita wrote:
I'm surprised a pro would not have his marines back at the side minerals, then load bunker at a frontal assault. He must have slipped up.
I just noticed JaeDong's name is actually 제동, not 재동. Any reason it's not written as JeDong (as standard romanization would suggest? I didn't want to make a thread just on that...
Go tell Jaedong to change his ID then.
They're pronounced the same. It doesn't matter.
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On December 07 2007 20:01 Brutalisk wrote:
But if Jaedong takes this OSL serious and prepares a LOT for this final, then he can put up a good fight and maybe even win... his current ZvP performance suggests otherwise, but in SC there's always an upset every now and then.
That's not gonna happen.
If he could take Stork, nevermind Bisu, he'd have beaten Stork in the RO16, advanced as C1, beaten Flash, and face Bisu in the semi next week; whereas Stork would've played UpMagiC tonight instead.
Ah well, g'nite all.
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On December 07 2007 20:03 joeki wrote:
I'm not korean and just study it for fun so please tell me if I'm wrong.
are you in stockholm university?
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GJ Jaedong. Pretty much a lock in win here, but I didn't think he'd do it that easy.
Weird though, we're going to head into a PvZ OSL Final with the P as favourite.
I don't think this has happened since Garimto vs Yellow in SKY?
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Probably Nal_ra vs Jju everyone expected Ra to win.
It's rare though!
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Reach vs July?
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On December 07 2007 20:53 GTR-2-Go wrote:Reach vs July?
only a complete fanboy would have reach as a favourite to win that matchup. his pvz blows and you know it.
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and July is a ZvP rape machine
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On December 07 2007 20:12 Aepplet wrote:
are you in stockholm university?
unfortunetely not. i study at gotland university but the korean is just for fun at home. stockholm uni is the only place in sweden that offers korean lessons if i remember correctly and moving there just cause of that is too much of a hassle :/
im thinking about taking a summer course there though.
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On December 07 2007 21:32 joeki wrote:unfortunetely not. i study at gotland university but the korean is just for fun at home. stockholm uni is the only place in sweden that offers korean lessons if i remember correctly and moving there just cause of that is too much of a hassle :/ im thinking about taking a summer course there though.
I see =)
The Korean class is really, really small (like 5 people?), so I'm a bit jelous because they probably learn a lot because they get a lot of individual coaching (as opposed to Chinese or Japanese class which is stacked beyond the teachers' capabilities).
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Go Lee Jae Dong ! Show them you can ZvP =]
AnyTime at your service ! =)
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vods please!
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On December 07 2007 20:53 GTR-2-Go wrote:Reach vs July?
A protoss can never be favourite when Mercury is in the map pool -___-
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Braavos36375 Posts
What exactly happened in game 3? I couldn't tell from the live reports.
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UpMagic spawned at RoV and went 14 CC. Then he built 2 rax and a bunker at his choke. Jaedong spawned at Nostalgia and went for 2 hatch speedlings. He used 2 drones to mine out the small mineral patch at RoV, and rushed in with zerglings. UpMagic did not have enough units to defend, Jaedong's zerglings took out the bunker and then it was gg.
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Braavos36375 Posts
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At least jaedong got 2 weeks to practice zvp now... He'll make it!
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Unfortunately, there's no vod for Gorush vs Hoony on ROV, i think it was pretty much the same from what i've understood (i didn't see the game):
Up walled at his natural and made few marines to defend the wall. He ignored to defend the minerals that block the second entrance. JD mined through and raped him with lings.
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Jaedong is your EVER OSL 2007 2nd place finisher...!
rofl
love bisu :D. Bisu will be the champion :D :D
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Did Jaedong use the extractor trick to get rid of the mineral wall?
edit: nvm, there's no gas there as far as I can tell from looking at the map pic.
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On December 07 2007 23:41 kramus wrote:
Did Jaedong use the extractor trick to get rid of the mineral wall?
edit: nvm, there's no gas there as far as I can tell from looking at the map pic.
no, just two drones (only 16 minerals in block)
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On December 07 2007 23:45 Aepplet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 23:41 kramus wrote:
Did Jaedong use the extractor trick to get rid of the mineral wall?
edit: nvm, there's no gas there as far as I can tell from looking at the map pic. no, just two drones (only 16 minerals in block)
ohh I see, thanks.
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:'(
Oh well, at least now a zerg is in the final. 
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is awesome32274 Posts
On December 07 2007 19:41 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
jesus christ i went from 27th to 19th in the liquibet rank
8 of the people that were above me have extra chromosomes
We are still 9 points from the top I don't think we can make it unless we vote for the underdog in a big game (like I did with Mind :D)
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On December 07 2007 13:17 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 13:05 Live2Win wrote:
This is so obviously JD's. Any other result would be an insane upset.
I'm actually guessing 3-0 rape. You sir are going to be proven wrong by Mr. Shin Hee Seung <3 oops
On December 08 2007 01:24 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote::'( Oh well, at least now a zerg is in the final. Now it's a PvZ :D
Even though Jaedong's ZvP is considered his worst match up, I still want him to magically own Bisu just so sAviOr fans can be like fkuc... GO JAEDONG!! ...and Bisu! (vs. dork)
edit: i'm a savior fan myself, but STILL! bahah
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I want, either Jeadong win vs Stork or Bisu win vs Jeadong.
I can't choose beatween Jeadong and bisu :<
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i just watched the games... all i can say is, holy crap.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
I want Jaedong or Stork to win OSL and Up getting 3rd place.
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On December 08 2007 01:40 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 19:41 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
jesus christ i went from 27th to 19th in the liquibet rank
8 of the people that were above me have extra chromosomes We are still 9 points from the top I don't think we can make it unless we vote for the underdog in a big game (like I did with Mind :D)
Eh... 9 points isn't that much really. I'm missing pretty much all of my proleague votes (-_-) and I'm still hovering at 10 behind. When I was getting them about 2/3rds right I was gaining ground pretty quickly. There's still probably around 100 points to vote on, so eh. Personally I'm hoping goes into "I'm going to vote on x inane upset so I have a chance of #1!" mode so I can skip up a more or less guranteed 5-10 ranks per big match (I wonder how many people will vote for Jaedong to beat Bisu if it happens hahaha). ;p
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In the first game, even if up had managed to float under a swarm, wouldnt his building still die? Swarm doesnt protect buildings from range, only units right?
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good, zerg will be easier for Bisu ^.^
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JaeDong's a monster. And he doesn't do stupid ceremonies. ^^
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United States10774 Posts
Wow, haha. If Bisu beats Stork then looks like he will be the OSL winner ;o
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United States1655 Posts
Well Jaedong has about two-three weeks to just practice ZvP, so hopefully we'll see an awesome finals!
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+ Show Spoiler +
rooottttttt!!!
huahua i hope i wont get banned cause of these pics
im really enjoying making it
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when is the date time of the other semifinal? bisu vs stork?
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United States7488 Posts
On December 08 2007 07:54 sgt_cr wrote:
when is the date time of the other semifinal? bisu vs stork?
same time next week... check the calendar to the right.
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On December 08 2007 07:40 ilbh wrote:+ Show Spoiler +rooottttttt!!! huahua i hope i wont get banned cause of these pics im really enjoying making it
I don't see why you'd get banned, even though it sorta looks like he's making a DDR motion O_o
I don't want to read through this whole thread, can someone tell me if any games are worth watching?
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On December 08 2007 08:25 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:I don't see why you'd get banned, even though it sorta looks like he's making a DDR motion O_o I don't want to read through this whole thread, can someone tell me if any games are worth watching?
Game two is worth watching if you like mutalisk domination.
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United States7488 Posts
On December 08 2007 08:25 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:I don't see why you'd get banned, even though it sorta looks like he's making a DDR motion O_o I don't want to read through this whole thread, can someone tell me if any games are worth watching?
Well, do you enjoy watching Jaedong rape?
Even so, the games weren't terribly uninteresting. UpMagic did UpMagic-y type things which held a little bit of excitement. And Jaedong's play is just plain immaculate. The game on Persona was interesting at least, and the Blue Storm game was entertaining as well. Of the three games, those two were the more fun ones to watch in my opinion.
You could always wait for DjEtterStyle's newspost to determine which games to watch, and I'll be putting up a battle report later once I've finished.
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Game 1 was pretty funny. Just watch the series. It won't take that long
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Melbourne5338 Posts
I kinda liked game 2
+ Show Spoiler + but it was so painful watching Up with those wraiths
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After watching all 3 of the games, this was actually quite a fun, entertaining series in my opinion.
Game 1 : + Show Spoiler + i loved that up floated his main north and tried to camp for a draw, for some reason it wasn't as gay as chalrenge doing it in my opinion :p
Game 2: + Show Spoiler + Holy fuck is Jaedong for real? That was a siiiiiick comeback
Game 3: + Show Spoiler + Hahaha, I've watched millions of RoV games and wondered why noone ever did what Jaedong did that game :p
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Jaedong reminded me of Gorush
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from one great zerg to another
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a·ban·don1 /əˈbændən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-ban-duhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object)
1. to leave completely and finally; forsake utterly; desert: to abandon one's farm; to abandon a child; to abandon a sinking ship.
2. to give up; discontinue; withdraw from: to abandon a research project; to abandon hopes for a stage career.
3. to give up the control of: to abandon a city to an enemy army.
4. to yield (oneself) without restraint or moderation; give (oneself) over to natural impulses, usually without self-control: to abandon oneself to grief.
5. Law. to cast away, leave, or desert, as property or a child.
6. Insurance. to relinquish (insured property) to the underwriter in case of partial loss, thus enabling the insured to claim a total loss.
7. Obsolete. to banish.
[Origin: 1325–75; ME aba
A·bad·don /əˈbædn/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-bad-n] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. Apollyon.
2. a place of destruction; the depths of hell.
is it really abandon? ;/ i dont think so.
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In game 2 why didnt up kill the spire after manhandling the first scourges 
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On December 08 2007 10:41 Instigata wrote:In game 2 why didnt up kill the spire after manhandling the first scourges
wondering that as well
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On December 07 2007 13:05 Live2Win wrote:
This is so obviously JD's. Any other result would be an insane upset.
I'm actually guessing 3-0 rape.
PWNT BITCHES!!!!!
JD NEVER FAILS ME
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United States20661 Posts
On December 08 2007 10:15 Raithed wrote:Show nested quote +a·ban·don1 /əˈbændən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-ban-duhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object)
1. to leave completely and finally; forsake utterly; desert: to abandon one's farm; to abandon a child; to abandon a sinking ship.
2. to give up; discontinue; withdraw from: to abandon a research project; to abandon hopes for a stage career.
3. to give up the control of: to abandon a city to an enemy army.
4. to yield (oneself) without restraint or moderation; give (oneself) over to natural impulses, usually without self-control: to abandon oneself to grief.
5. Law. to cast away, leave, or desert, as property or a child.
6. Insurance. to relinquish (insured property) to the underwriter in case of partial loss, thus enabling the insured to claim a total loss.
7. Obsolete. to banish.
[Origin: 1325–75; ME aba Show nested quote +A·bad·don /əˈbædn/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-bad-n] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. Apollyon.
2. a place of destruction; the depths of hell. is it really abandon? ;/ i dont think so.
It is indeed "abandon".
P.S. Game 2 didn't seem like that much of a comeback. Jaedong lost a few overlords but annihilated every wraith on the map soon afterwards.
That 2-group muta harass was HOT. I think we should call him Lee "DP" Jaedong now.
Game 3 was a yawn rape.
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Wow good games, a bit disappointed in up's wraith micro, he didn't scv-stack them and he really could have scored a lot more drones. Awesome play by Jaedong overall, his mutas are so strong. Did he ever even get a hydra den in these games?
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In game 3 he made a hydra den.
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On December 08 2007 08:25 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I don't see why you'd get banned, even though it sorta looks like he's making a DDR motion O_o
I don't want to read through this whole thread, can someone tell me if any games are worth watching?
somehow im spamming w unnecessary messages, not contributing with the discussion over the thread, but imo its only a funny image and not spam.
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that 2-group muta harass was orgasmic... so pimp
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