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1-1-1 carriers makes no sense. Armor doesnt work until shield is gone. Shield would remove 2 damage out of 4, next upgrade it would remove 2 damage out of 8.
3-0-3 is the only sensible upgrades for the money seeing as carrier got base armor of 4 and 350 armor hp meanwhile shield is 150.
The correct way of microing carriers is to put your carriers in a line so they all have possibility to reach gols, you could stack em with a probe or whatever but that would just make them aim on same target. Put carriers in a line then a-move then move away and repeat.
You should only focus fire with carrier if you are facing upgraded armor, then it would make sense to slightly overkill. Attacking individual targets vs upgraded armor is suicide.
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The shield is for inceptors and it will be 'free' because you can skip the other Forge upgrades when you intend to do a carrier build.. if you watch the VOD you'll see the problem for sure. The game was going to be decided before the end upgrades anyway. He has 7 carriers with 3 on the way at one point and needed to engage directly not pick at the edges overkilling each time.
Interceptors taking 2 less damage EVERY hit? how can that not be worth it? Considering the strategy relies on the retention of inceptors each engagement. Regardless of upgrade arguments there's no way you should bring all of them out and overkill every shot.
And of course i don't mean a-move no micro at all. Moving back and forward when targeted like normal micro and using high ground; please watch the VOD when it's available.
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A few observations on my part:
- Snow never once used SH micro in the game against Light, at least not against the goliaths. So I don't know what "interceptor trick" it is we're talking about.
- He picked out each goliath one by one with focus fire from his carriers, which I strongly consider the best approach in that situation. If you instead spread out the fire across several goliaths, you're just gonna bruise them and not kill them so fast, which means your interceptors get picked off even faster (due to goliaths taking significantly longer to get killed). That's a losing approach in a situation like the one in the game.
Only when you have a very clear carrier superiority, then a simple attack move could come in handy. That was not the situation in the game.
- In my understanding the air armor upgrade isn't worth the investment. Upgraded goliaths deal far too much damage at once. But please do feel free to post evidence of interceptors staying alive meaningfully longer, that'd be interesting to see.
+1 shield could perhaps have a use because it affects all protoss units and buildings. But it's not obvious to me that it helps (bare in mind it either takes time away from ground attack upgrades, which would be bad, or it requires a second forge to be built, which costs 150 extra minerals), so from those who consider not getting the shield upgrade a clear mistake, I'd have to see evidence for that as well.
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Week#4 9/9/2021
Zerg: Zero Soma Soulkey
Terran: Light Rush Sexy(Speed)
Protoss: Snow Mini Best
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A pity that this tournament does not have more repercussion.
Nice lineup this week.
Protoss fightning!
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+ Show Spoiler +Snow on fire!It would be great to see Free on the next line ups.
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On September 03 2021 05:05 NotoriousSCV wrote:
The shield is for inceptors and it will be 'free' because you can skip the other Forge upgrades when you intend to do a carrier build.. if you watch the VOD you'll see the problem for sure. The game was going to be decided before the end upgrades anyway. He has 7 carriers with 3 on the way at one point and needed to engage directly not pick at the edges overkilling each time.
Interceptors taking 2 less damage EVERY hit? how can that not be worth it? Considering the strategy relies on the retention of inceptors each engagement. Regardless of upgrade arguments there's no way you should bring all of them out and overkill every shot.
And of course i don't mean a-move no micro at all. Moving back and forward when targeted like normal micro and using high ground; please watch the VOD when it's available.
You are missing a big point here, Goliaths air attack is explosive, and explosive (and concussive) damage does full damage to Shields. Shield will be gone after the second shot no matter if you upgrade shield or not.
gol +0, hit 1 20/40, hit 2 0/40
gol +1, hit 1 16/40, hit 2 0/40
gol +1, shield +1, hit 1 18/40, hit 2 0/40
gol +1, shield +2, hit 1 20/40, hit 2 0/40
gol +1, shield +3, hit 1 22/40, hit 2 4/40, now this case will never happen because gols will have +2 way ahead of your +3 shield in all cases of a game.
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+ Show Spoiler +Good series, the first game  ZerO vs  Mini had a mad build by Mini, skipped Stargate for fast Zealots, took out the Spire and then went 2 Stargate + DT, really fun game. The next game was really fun too. Unreal play from Snow at the end, didn't think he had some of those games.
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Yes great series by Mini, love seeing his PvZ, it's really nice to watch as a P player and not feel vulnerable in the matchup, it's such a change from normal. Mini took out the Hydra den twice as well. And the interesting cannon rush! Also - +2 armour ups before attack.
About the interceptors thing, it's just a feel really watching that as a P player you knew he had no chance from the first engagement; the shields thing was just an idea to help out that.
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Yeah Mini is clearly top3 right now, at least for me. His play is flawless and very entertaining also. There is no zerg who can challenge him. Unless Rain comes back from the ashes, only SnOw can mayyyyy be wins a p:p series against him. That leaves only Light and (Rush?) to challenge the guy right now.
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Unfortunately for mini he really seems to be the heir apparent to bisu. His Pvz is sublime, Pvp solid, but his Pvt is meh.. While he has some creative early builds, I think his overall skill in the match-up isn't too strong and I'd strongly favor light or rush against him (in a series).
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Don't we have such a page for Season 3 anymore?
 KCM/Race Survival/2021/2
difficult for me now to know when are the matches.
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On September 16 2021 00:59 Jiancan wrote:Don't we have such a page for Season 3 anymore? KCM/Race Survival/2021/2difficult for me now to know when are the matches.
Make one
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On September 16 2021 01:59 Ikirouta wrote:Make one
Where to get the Information?
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On September 16 2021 06:04 Jiancan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2021 01:59 Ikirouta wrote:On September 16 2021 00:59 Jiancan wrote:Don't we have such a page for Season 3 anymore? KCM/Race Survival/2021/2difficult for me now to know when are the matches. Make one Where to get the Information?
Just check https://www.afreecatv.com/cjfals28/posts for time&lineup.
Today Week#5 9/16/2021
Zerg: Soulkey Hero Miso
Terran: Light JyJ Sorry
Protoss: Snow Best Huro
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