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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12056 Posts
January 21 2020 20:16 GMT
#41
Light vs Sharp game 1 was incredible.
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Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2450 Posts
January 21 2020 21:39 GMT
#42
On January 22 2020 03:44 Xeln4g4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2020 13:04 Turbovolver wrote:
Hahaha yes, everyone I anti-fan gives up on the game. This power is delicious!


A pro leaving BW for you is delicious? ... nice. When this game will be dead, is that going to be delicious again for you?

There are plenty of pros failing to make it into the tournaments, not to mention amateurs struggling through qualifiers.
Players like Flash or Rain that just dominate everyone on the grounds of amazing macro make Brood War boring, their absence is hardly killing the game. Especially Rain, whose PvT is just pathetic to watch ー many of the games in the KSL finals weren't amazing... but it was an amazing finals. Why? Because the boring but super-successful player got trashed, the "underdog" won.


On January 22 2020 04:38 TornadoSteve wrote:
Sharp is over rated. A lot.

His macro is pretty bad compared to most of the other pros, but he does so much with the units that he does build. Whether you call that overrated or not depends on what you prioritise, his results are very good but not amazing, but he's generally a treat to watch regardless.

The original Bogus fan.
Burned Toast *
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada2040 Posts
January 22 2020 02:31 GMT
#43
For those who experiences problems/lag with the afreeca player, I've reuploaded the VODs on YT and put the spoiler-free urls in the Small VOD Thread.
TvT matchup is sometimes worse than jailtime
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
January 22 2020 11:49 GMT
#44
On January 22 2020 06:39 Turbovolver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2020 04:38 TornadoSteve wrote:
Sharp is over rated. A lot.

His macro is pretty bad compared to most of the other pros, but he does so much with the units that he does build. Whether you call that overrated or not depends on what you prioritise, his results are very good but not amazing, but he's generally a treat to watch regardless.


Yeah I enjoy watching Sharp do weird shit :D
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 22 2020 11:51 GMT
#45
Rain is not boring :[. His PvT might be formulatic, but his PvZ is really dynamic and PvP otherwordly.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-23 02:13:42
January 23 2020 02:13 GMT
#46
On January 22 2020 04:36 Lorch wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Congratz Sharp, looking forward to his performance this season!

As sad as I am to see Rain drop out, he has been competing pretty much non stop for what, a decade? Give the man a break. He has brought us some unreal pvp and really became the top protoss. It sucks that we won't get to see Bisu vs Rain pvp in asl 9, though. However, looking at liquipedia it seems that flash might actually play in this afterall, which is super awesome! Let's see if he can make it 5 ASLs!


I like Rain, but he managed to win both ASL and KSL and he was too dominant in PvP. Good luck to him in his next adventures!

So, is Flash really playing this after all the drama?
ScarletAerie
Profile Joined May 2016
40 Posts
January 23 2020 11:47 GMT
#47
Shouldnt there be another one? Or do we assume flash is playing
Zaibakk
Profile Joined May 2017
101 Posts
January 23 2020 15:15 GMT
#48
On January 22 2020 11:31 Burned Toast wrote:
For those who experiences problems/lag with the afreeca player, I've reuploaded the VODs on YT and put the spoiler-free urls in the Small VOD Thread.


Thank you!
Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
January 23 2020 18:10 GMT
#49
On January 21 2020 18:13 JieXian wrote:
I'm not a big Rain fan because I think he might be overhyped but it is undeniable that he's good and has crushed many good players and I am sad he isn't participating. There is glory in winning a championship won by defeating such a formidable opponent, like Light had done.

is he injured or something? or is it about interest?



guy who made top 4 in 5 consecutives starleagues and ro8, ro4, 1st place, ro8 before that is definitely overhyped... idk how people even come up with sentiments like this^^
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
January 23 2020 19:21 GMT
#50
On January 22 2020 05:16 Qikz wrote:
Light vs Sharp game 1 was incredible.

Yep, the ending was great

+ Show Spoiler +
Btw Sharp was super happy to qualify after beating Sacsri, I've never seen a pro express so much joy after winning
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ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1717 Posts
January 24 2020 00:50 GMT
#51
On January 21 2020 18:13 JieXian wrote:
I'm not a big Rain fan because I think he might be overhyped but it is undeniable that he's good and has crushed many good players and I am sad he isn't participating. There is glory in winning a championship won by defeating such a formidable opponent, like Light had done.

is he injured or something? or is it about interest?


how the fuck is he overrated

hes literally the 2nd most accomplished person in this era aside Flash
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Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2450 Posts
January 24 2020 04:23 GMT
#52
On January 24 2020 09:50 ShowTheLights wrote:
how the fuck is he overrated

hes literally the 2nd most accomplished person in this era aside Flash

I mean, did you see his recalls in those games vs Light?
He has laughably large holes in his PvT, and so few people seem to acknowledge that that yes I feel comfortable calling him overhyped.

I mean hell, Bisu was the same. Strong player, weak PvT but his good fundamentals often got him through games in that matchup anyway (this is long before the sexy double shuttle stuff). But I feel like people were more willing to acknowledge those flaws in Bisu's play than they are with Rain's. Or maybe it just feels like that because the Rain stuff is more recent.

If I had the time I would go look up all his vT record in ASL/KSL and see just how impressive/unimpressive it is, but from what I recall he hasn't collected any big scalps there. Well, I do recall one series over Last he won, in mostly non-macro games/BO wins.

I feel like we see a larger sample size of tournaments with him and he starts looking quite a bit less impressive because PvT emerges as a thorn in his side. But I guess that also depends on the results of the research I hint at above.
The original Bogus fan.
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2450 Posts
January 24 2020 04:35 GMT
#53
OK, I'm doing it:

ASL
-----------
Rain 0 - 1 Sea
Rain 0 - 1 sSak
Rain 0 - 1 Mong
Rain 0 - 1 Sharp
Rain 1 - 0 Sea
Rain 1 - 0 Mind
Rain 1 - 0 JyJ
Rain 2 - 3 Last
Rain 0 - 3 Flash

KSL
------------
Rain 3 - 1 Light
Rain 3 - 0 Leta
Rain 3 - 4 Sharp
Rain 3 - 1 Last
Rain 3 - 1 Sharp
Rain 2 - 4 Light



So, nope. That's just not an impressive pedigree even before you take into account how skill-indicative the matches were (for example the 3-1 over Last showed he's good at picking builds more than anything else). He's at best 50% against decent Terrans.

Tried to look up his sponmatch record and he seems to be removed from the website.

Face it, ya boi got good vP and vZ game and coasted on it.
The original Bogus fan.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-24 14:55:12
January 24 2020 08:55 GMT
#54
On January 24 2020 13:35 Turbovolver wrote:
That's just not an impressive pedigree even before you take into account how skill-indicative the matches were (for example the 3-1 over Last showed he's good at picking builds more than anything else)

Which as we know, is not a "skill".
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ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1717 Posts
January 26 2020 01:10 GMT
#55
On January 24 2020 03:10 Executer08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2020 18:13 JieXian wrote:
I'm not a big Rain fan because I think he might be overhyped but it is undeniable that he's good and has crushed many good players and I am sad he isn't participating. There is glory in winning a championship won by defeating such a formidable opponent, like Light had done.

is he injured or something? or is it about interest?



guy who made top 4 in 5 consecutives starleagues and ro8, ro4, 1st place, ro8 before that is definitely overhyped... idk how people even come up with sentiments like this^^


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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8178 Posts
January 26 2020 02:25 GMT
#56
Rain is definitely the most talented player of the current era after flash IMO. He just seems to be lacking passion lately. He said himself he barely even practiced for the last KSL (and still made it to the finals). Maybe he needs a break for a bit or maybe he's ready to move on to something else. He's got nothing else to prove in BW.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-31 14:23:27
January 31 2020 14:22 GMT
#57
On January 24 2020 03:10 Executer08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2020 18:13 JieXian wrote:
I'm not a big Rain fan because I think he might be overhyped but it is undeniable that he's good and has crushed many good players and I am sad he isn't participating. There is glory in winning a championship won by defeating such a formidable opponent, like Light had done.

is he injured or something? or is it about interest?



guy who made top 4 in 5 consecutives starleagues and ro8, ro4, 1st place, ro8 before that is definitely overhyped... idk how people even come up with sentiments like this^^


To clarify, I used "overhyped" in context of how I hear Tastosis talk like he's some superhuman GOD. He's not on the level of Flash (or maybe even Bisu) imo. He's definitely the next best thing. Perhaps a demigod
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Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden317 Posts
February 08 2020 09:38 GMT
#58
Any comments on why he chose not to participate?
nah
machinus
Profile Joined January 2010
United States292 Posts
February 13 2020 08:09 GMT
#59
On February 08 2020 18:38 Barneyk wrote:
Any comments on why he chose not to participate?


I would also like to know this.
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