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Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-06 15:39:31
October 31 2019 12:55 GMT
#1

Korea StarCraft League Season 4


Friday, Nov 01 6:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)


(Wiki)2019 Korea StarCraft League Season 4


Casters & Hosts


Tasteless | Artosis | RAPiD | NoRegreT


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(Z)Sacsri              (T)Rush
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(P)Best              (P)Rain






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BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria490 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-31 14:32:03
October 31 2019 14:29 GMT
#2
Hyype! As a Protoss player i kind of want both Best and Rain to go out of this group, but we shall have to see. Also, is there a chance Tastosis will be joining the cast? (i don't mind if they don't as Rapid and NoRegret are doing a great job, but who wouldn't want these 4 casting together?) Go BW!

Edit: I forgot the decider matches are saved for last so i guess we'll see at least one of them go out of the group tomorrow + Show Spoiler +
Rain
music is the best thing in the world
Nematocyst
Profile Joined October 2017
United States164 Posts
October 31 2019 14:47 GMT
#3
Rain underwent cosmetic surgery, either that or he was photoshopped to look like Mini's clone!
LfunkGG
Profile Joined February 2019
78 Posts
October 31 2019 16:27 GMT
#4
that picture doesnt look like rain a lot but they all look similar anyways
Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
October 31 2019 21:53 GMT
#5
what, it's like the most rainy picture ever
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8148 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-01 01:27:54
November 01 2019 01:26 GMT
#6
Hoping Sacscri and Rush can pull out some upsets in this group, but looks like rain and then best are heavily favored.

On October 31 2019 23:29 BulgarianToss wrote:
Hyype! As a Protoss player i kind of want both Best and Rain to go out of this group, but we shall have to see. Also, is there a chance Tastosis will be joining the cast? (i don't mind if they don't as Rapid and NoRegret are doing a great job, but who wouldn't want these 4 casting together?) Go BW!

Edit: I forgot the decider matches are saved for last so i guess we'll see at least one of them go out of the group tomorrow + Show Spoiler +
Rain


Artosis and Tasteless will be in America for Blizzcon for at least the weekend, not sure when they'll be back in Korea and able to cast.
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QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
November 01 2019 02:21 GMT
#7
It's a rough group for Best, honestly--having to prep all matchups and also face Rain in PvP. I think Rush may have a good shot at advancing here, and Sacsri's a bit of a coinflip on how well he plays, so I'm looking forward to these matches.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3123 Posts
November 01 2019 05:46 GMT
#8
I'm predicting Rain and Sacri to advance from this group. Well that's what I think anyway I could be wrong.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 01 2019 06:16 GMT
#9
3h muta vs 5rax feels fkn retro nowadays
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
November 01 2019 08:16 GMT
#10
man.... 2 super low health dts looked like a good opportunity to morph dem shits and mind control those shuttleless reavs :D
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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3123 Posts
November 01 2019 08:19 GMT
#11
Awesome flank by Best there. I thought he was in trouble when his DT's failed. However, he managed to get a great engagment and is now back in the game.
Artosis loves Starcraft
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
November 01 2019 11:20 GMT
#12
i dont know what the russian stream is saying but i find it highly soothing
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 01 2019 11:37 GMT
#13
Best is best.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3123 Posts
November 01 2019 12:18 GMT
#14
So many overlord kills. Rain going on a Overlord massacre.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 01 2019 12:59 GMT
#15
Damn, Rain is so good.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 01 2019 12:59 GMT
#16
On November 01 2019 20:37 JustPassingBy wrote:
Best is best.


I take it back. Rain is best.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3123 Posts
November 01 2019 13:18 GMT
#17
I can't see anyone in this tournement beating Rain. I feel this is his torunement to lose.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 01 2019 14:07 GMT
#18
On November 01 2019 22:18 NoS-Craig wrote:
I can't see anyone in this tournement beating Rain. I feel this is his torunement to lose.

I think he could very well lose to a more competent ZvP player, but I do agree that he's the favorite to win the entire thing.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1103 Posts
November 01 2019 14:55 GMT
#19
ZerO, Sharp, SoMa or even Light could very well end Rain KSL run
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1103 Posts
November 01 2019 16:41 GMT
#20
Rush threw the 3rd game in his series against Best in the most pathethic way ive seen in a long time.
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
November 01 2019 19:22 GMT
#21
On November 02 2019 01:41 TornadoSteve wrote:
Rush threw the 3rd game in his series against Best in the most pathethic way ive seen in a long time.

Was that the one on CB? I think he had a massive amount of SCVs and was maxed but didn't have that many units tbh
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
RAPiDCasting
Profile Joined July 2009
Korea (South)594 Posts
November 01 2019 20:59 GMT
#22
On November 02 2019 01:41 TornadoSteve wrote:
Rush threw the 3rd game in his series against Best in the most pathethic way ive seen in a long time.


The faster caster. @RAPiDCasting
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
November 01 2019 23:33 GMT
#23
Rush sucks, news at 11
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
November 02 2019 04:37 GMT
#24
Bad commentary made these games unenjoyable to watch. Good commentary and they become watchable. Rapid/Noregret are terrible and that's just how it is, so because I lowered my expectations I wasn't upset. It's super cringe but what are you gonna do?
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1103 Posts
November 02 2019 05:01 GMT
#25
On November 02 2019 13:37 KamMoye wrote:
Bad commentary made these games unenjoyable to watch. Good commentary and they become watchable. Rapid/Noregret are terrible and that's just how it is, so because I lowered my expectations I wasn't upset. It's super cringe but what are you gonna do?


I do agree that the commentary isn't very good (mostly because of noregret having little to no experience about brood war) but I do also think that you are an unenjoyable person in life.
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-02 15:16:24
November 02 2019 15:15 GMT
#26
Lol, you're projecting. You have no idea who I am, and daring to judge me off literally a few posts is an excellent example of cherry picking. Fortunately for me I'm happy and accepting of who I am, and don't need your validation and don't care about how you think of me. Find your own self acceptance and leave me alone if that's how you feel about me. Also reported your post for personal attacks.
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
November 02 2019 15:40 GMT
#27
On November 03 2019 00:15 KamMoye wrote:
Lol, you're projecting. You have no idea who I am, and daring to judge me off literally a few posts is an excellent example of cherry picking. Fortunately for me I'm happy and accepting of who I am, and don't need your validation and don't care about how you think of me. Find your own self acceptance and leave me alone if that's how you feel about me. Also reported your post for personal attacks.


This response kind of confirmed his opinion.

Anyway, disappointing results for Rush. He always has a few really good games in tournaments and looks strong online, but never quite manages to make it far in offline tournaments. Best looks like he should get out in the deciders.
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
November 03 2019 00:48 GMT
#28
Well yeah, confirmation bias is a thing. He needs to get laid imo

User was temp banned for this post.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1103 Posts
November 03 2019 01:52 GMT
#29
On November 03 2019 00:15 KamMoye wrote: Also reported your post for personal attacks.


Bullied and troubled kid in need of love (imHo still)
BanCircumvent
Profile Joined November 2019
1 Post
Last Edited: 2019-11-03 03:32:51
November 03 2019 03:15 GMT
#30
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Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
November 03 2019 09:29 GMT
#31
Some great games
Credit where it's due, casting improved slightly over group A.
One of the key problems with the transition from SC2 to BW casting that I see going on is how to handle scrappy situations where both players are off their build/plan, and making mistakes left and right.

Also cheers to the TL mods
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria409 Posts
November 03 2019 10:33 GMT
#32
After watching Day 2 I thought the games were enjoyable and of high quality. The better prepared players won, as it always happens. I feel for Sacsri, after getting spanked like this by Rain, he gets to play Best, doesn't he? Best is not quite Rain in PvZ but he is still a formidable opponent and I am actually giggly and eager to see them go off against each other.

As for the commentary - of course it is not up to par with Tastosis but that is to be expected. And I am always down with stuff I get for free and I don't think I have any right to bash on people or offer insults. It is what it is, I can just accept it and just be thankful that I can get to watch this such an awesome game at this high level of skill 20 years after release. It is really a treat and I am thankful for all the free content we all receive.
The subject-matter of the art of living is each person's own life.
nikolaus8844
Profile Joined March 2019
111 Posts
November 03 2019 20:33 GMT
#33
I might be a writer but it's no easy task using diplomatic language in pointing out the truth in this case.... Especially when ANY ''negative'' (plain and straight OBVIOUS) remark is frowned upon not just by the TL mods, but also by many of the well-established names in the foreign community. I reckon it is for fear of losing the voluntary efforts put by some..
Sorry Rapid, but despite all your enthusiasm your casting is, as it seams, the reason for people shutting the sound of the official English stream off. Does that perhaps speak something to you....?
My personal opinions and impressions after watching you commentate for few years now might as well be substantial enough for a whole book...... but who gives a damn
The FACT is that your lack of basic understanding of the strategic decisions players make, and the ways in which this progresses to influence the flow of the game, is pitiful and outright annoying. And you have the cheek to cover it up with ''there's not much going on at this moment'' ?! Not much for YOU, for those paying attention there is A LOT going on, most of the time.
How many times did you say ''for sure'' in this cast? I reckon 15 times in 1 minute is enough? Don't think so..?
Do you realize that by being there you're taking up the spot for somebody else who will perhaps serve the public better? Or is it all about Twitter attention... I doubt you're so highly conscientious, but beware that perhaps if you free the spot, it will not remain empty, but rather occupied by somebody more willing to put some effort on the job. You can NOT cover you lack of understanding of the game with jokes, how many people should say it before you give it up?
I mean.... thanks for you efforts alright, but consider that despite ''chat being chat'' and some people having an unpleasant attitude, there are A LOT of decent humans right here on TL who are DESPERATELY TRYING to communicate to you that... perhaps your current performance is not up to par.
Not with the level of Artosis...... with ANY level. You wanna be a joker or a Starcraft caster? You were put twice in the lead role and it seemed to me NoRegret had 1000 times better understanding of the game, despite not carrying one single bit about sounding cool. Not that he's right up there will the all time greats, but he played the game........ do you play the game?? EVERYBODY is listening to your cast.... well, *was*. I hope you see at least one of your own casts from the casual observer's perspective. I'm certain what I'm proposing to you here will transpire in an instant.
I don't mean this in a derogatory sense in the slightest.... but it must be said - grow a spine!! Nothing more important than that... in your caster's career, or in life as a whole.
Nematocyst
Profile Joined October 2017
United States164 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-03 23:18:06
November 03 2019 22:14 GMT
#34
On November 04 2019 05:33 nikolaus8844 wrote:...it's no easy task using diplomatic language in pointing out the truth...


Which is why I don't do it any more. It's almost a game, and I'm done playing. If anyone cares to discover what streams I watch and why, they will have to live with just the few times I've given kudos, because I refuse to walk on eggshells in an effort to get across the issues.

[edit]
The point I'm trying to make is that negative criticism is valuable. Small communities like this one (foreign BW) sometimes die without a clear reason. Curtailing honest discussion about issues within is one of the best ways for that to happen. But what are people with passions to do when their efforts are met with hostility? They linger a while, silently, then leave. And nobody's ever the wiser about what happened.
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
November 04 2019 03:59 GMT
#35
I try to refrain from criticising commentators because it is a very hard job to do well. They add content above what is already in the game. Often liking a commentator or not can just plain be subjective. One person will like something and someone else may not. I myself did not enjoy the English commentary and found it very hard to watch the first group with it. I also found it hard to find the games without spoilers on YouTube to watch in Korean. I have made links to the Korean casts in the Small VOD thread. So hopefully that provides an easier alternative for people who want to enjoy the games without English commentary.
sadego
Profile Joined September 2019
10 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-06 14:32:56
November 06 2019 14:27 GMT
#36
nice
FakeFin
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany392 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-06 14:35:29
November 06 2019 14:33 GMT
#37
On November 06 2019 23:27 sadego wrote:
nice

on www.twitch.tv, or in the Small-VOD-thread
...onmYwaY
Profile Joined August 2018
92 Posts
November 06 2019 15:55 GMT
#38
Children... when I was young the only way to watch BW was to download a 240p VOD from YaoYuan at 20Kbps all in Korean. Back then it was unreal just to watch an OSL/MSL game. I think I watched the CocaCola OSL finals like 20 times (Boxer vs. Yellow classic).

I’ve watched hundreds of hours this way. Now you have access to HD streams in English... I know everyone expects everything, all the time these days. But let me remind you that this is a minority thing we are dealing with. We are SO fortunate to even have English BW cast in this day and age. The viewership is probably close enough to ASL/KSL to pull the plug on them; that or the casters working for minimum wage.

Please be thankful that you can watch the game and understand a single word at all. IMO RAPID has improved crazy much over the last year; from only talking about “the little X that could” to great general play by play analyze. Go RAPID!!! And NoRegret is doing what he can to color even though the lack of depth knowledge. I have that over Korean casting that I do not understand a word of any day.

Thank you!
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