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[ASL8] Semifinal A - Snow vs Action

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ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
August 20 2019 02:13 GMT
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
August 20 2019 02:16 GMT
#2
as always rooting for action even though some believe it will be the weaker finals....
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FlopTurnReaver
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
August 20 2019 02:24 GMT
#3
Any news on Action and his physical state? Will he even be able to play?
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
August 20 2019 02:28 GMT
#4
PvZ is gonna be good exciting games. Snow usually has exciting strategies he shows.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1011 Posts
August 20 2019 03:34 GMT
#5
On August 20 2019 11:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:
as always rooting for action even though some believe it will be the weaker finals....


Me too
Even though SnOw is super entertaining and it would make a better finals (unless rain upset flash)

gogo Action show us some fun timings
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
August 20 2019 04:10 GMT
#6
based on how he played on stream right after his surgery don't think it affect him too much.. probably inspired by flash/last to play through the pain. should be a pretty close series still.
jjmmtt
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia995 Posts
August 20 2019 08:32 GMT
#7
Mah boi Action gonna show up in the Finals just as Tasteless predicted :D
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
August 20 2019 08:47 GMT
#8
On August 20 2019 11:24 FlopTurnReaver wrote:
Any news on Action and his physical state? Will he even be able to play?

Huh, what's up with him?
don't wall off against random
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
August 20 2019 09:40 GMT
#9
I'm rooting for Action eventhough, especially with the health problems, I expect Snow to win
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7955 Posts
August 20 2019 09:57 GMT
#10
I think Action will incorporate the 9734 hot build ! He defeated Bisu on the ladder with it! 3-2 for mafia zerg!!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51430 Posts
August 20 2019 10:02 GMT
#11
action to sweep with 973
Commentator
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 20 2019 10:03 GMT
#12
IT'S HAPPENING
WriterReV hwaiting!
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
August 20 2019 10:06 GMT
#13
Let's hope it's a Snowstorm!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
August 20 2019 10:08 GMT
#14
On August 20 2019 17:47 rotta wrote:
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On August 20 2019 11:24 FlopTurnReaver wrote:
Any news on Action and his physical state? Will he even be able to play?

Huh, what's up with him?


He was just in the hospital recently for appendicitis.
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 20 2019 10:19 GMT
#15
Couldn't they swap both semifinals at least? Koreans and their damn cult of work.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 20 2019 10:28 GMT
#16
Nice lings!
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
August 20 2019 10:29 GMT
#17
On August 20 2019 19:28 nojok wrote:
Nice lings!

Not nice zealots. Abandoning their post.
why even
Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1285 Posts
August 20 2019 10:31 GMT
#18
that timing though, well done by action
sup
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 10:33 GMT
#19
that was a great bait by action
BW is back
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7955 Posts
August 20 2019 10:43 GMT
#20
Tastosis it is the new build!!!! They are clueless
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fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium3999 Posts
August 20 2019 10:44 GMT
#21
lol Tasteless and Artosis are so much behind new meta
Drone is a way of living
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
August 20 2019 10:44 GMT
#22
Action is looking solid AF, could be a 3-0 if snOw doesn't walk out with some 2 gate build or something else that's not FE
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mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-20 10:45:19
August 20 2019 10:45 GMT
#23
action impresses

that second lair
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Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 10:45 GMT
#24
Action is outplaying snow
BW is back
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 10:47 GMT
#25
snow counter attack was awesome
BW is back
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
August 20 2019 10:51 GMT
#26
wait, hol'up snOw is making some magic happen
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razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
August 20 2019 10:52 GMT
#27
action leads 5 zealots into his hidden 5th, whhaatttt???
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fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium3999 Posts
August 20 2019 10:53 GMT
#28
lol Action, what is that
Drone is a way of living
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 10:53 GMT
#29
No storm dodge, storms just melts the hydras
BW is back
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
August 20 2019 10:53 GMT
#30
Could it be Action's appendix hurting him all of a sudden? looks like he lost control for no reason
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
August 20 2019 10:54 GMT
#31
lmao haven't seen such a throw in a while
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 10:54 GMT
#32
Final attack of the overlords, lol

1-1
BW is back
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-20 10:55:06
August 20 2019 10:54 GMT
#33
wow great and interesting game

almost broke the storms but i think there were more than he expected
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51430 Posts
August 20 2019 10:54 GMT
#34
action threw that so hard lmao
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4126 Posts
August 20 2019 10:54 GMT
#35
That was weird from Action, he should have went together with his hydras when his surprise mutas hit but he let Snow build up his templar count.
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
August 20 2019 10:55 GMT
#36
HOLY SHIT that snow sign hahahahahaa 3 lines and you can instantly recognize snow XD
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asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1599 Posts
August 20 2019 10:55 GMT
#37
Wow, so much wasting.
eSTRO for life | #3 Sea.Really fan! | GGoliath! | aeterna societas honoris | cbta~ | Flash makes Terran look like Toss | aka RevaL
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3440 Posts
August 20 2019 10:55 GMT
#38
Who needs micro when I can chose the location that prohibit me from micro-ing any Hydras at all.
Action so smart.
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
August 20 2019 10:55 GMT
#39
yeah the probe kills were low he wasted time and surprise in the main
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
August 20 2019 10:55 GMT
#40
I knew action will suicide all of his hydras there, seemed inevitable.
Give thanks and praise!
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
August 20 2019 10:55 GMT
#41
Let's stick to hydras when the P has barely secured their 3rd gas! It's not like a lurker switch at this point is a default win or anything -_-

I don't mind though, rooting for Snow, it just looks stupid
Complete the cycle!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7955 Posts
August 20 2019 10:55 GMT
#42
I wish my zerg opponents throw hydras at me like Action! No dodge at all....maybe he was busy macroing idk
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fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium3999 Posts
August 20 2019 10:56 GMT
#43
with all the possible angles on this map, having like 7 groups of hydras and streaming them all into one choke right in front of parked HTs ... this is just outrageous. This play does not deserve to be in the semis, moreover in the finals.
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Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
August 20 2019 10:56 GMT
#44
--- Nuked ---
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asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1599 Posts
August 20 2019 10:57 GMT
#45
Didn't he at least have any tech in back-up? Only Muta/Hydra?
eSTRO for life | #3 Sea.Really fan! | GGoliath! | aeterna societas honoris | cbta~ | Flash makes Terran look like Toss | aka RevaL
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 10:58 GMT
#46
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Action Game 1?

Yes (8)
 
73%

If you have time (2)
 
18%

No (1)
 
9%

11 total votes

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☐ Yes
☐ If you have time
☐ No



Poll: Recommend Snow vs Action Game 2?

Yes (10)
 
71%

If you have time (3)
 
21%

No (1)
 
7%

14 total votes

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☐ Yes
☐ If you have time
☐ No


BW is back
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-20 11:02:44
August 20 2019 11:01 GMT
#47
On August 20 2019 19:55 prosatan wrote:
I wish my zerg opponents throw hydras at me like Action! No dodge at all....maybe he was busy macroing idk


nope i was watching his fpv his cscreen was on the hydras the whole time. was basically amoving all his hydras through that ramp and when the storm hits his reaction to move them was really delayed.
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
August 20 2019 11:04 GMT
#48
Alright let's see if Zero is right, that zvp on overwatch is an insta-win
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 20 2019 11:11 GMT
#49
Action's reactions were not sharp, I feel like snow could have gained a big edge if he committed a bit more.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 11:16 GMT
#50
wow, snow saves the templars
BW is back
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4126 Posts
August 20 2019 11:18 GMT
#51
Action needs a 5th, he seems to not be able to keep up late game
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 11:19 GMT
#52
snow with infinite mana cheat, lol

So many storms
BW is back
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4126 Posts
August 20 2019 11:21 GMT
#53
This is such a weird game by Action, what's the point of defending that ramp if you give protoss 3 and 9 o clock?
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3809 Posts
August 20 2019 11:22 GMT
#54
This is many storms
: o )
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 11:23 GMT
#55
dark archon! new unit!
BW is back
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 20 2019 11:24 GMT
#56
Sick killer move with the reavers!
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
August 20 2019 11:25 GMT
#57
absolute brilliant game from snow
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 11:25 GMT
#58
wow, snow played really well

great game!
BW is back
asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1599 Posts
August 20 2019 11:25 GMT
#59
That brutal front attack.
eSTRO for life | #3 Sea.Really fan! | GGoliath! | aeterna societas honoris | cbta~ | Flash makes Terran look like Toss | aka RevaL
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 20 2019 11:26 GMT
#60
That push was vintage Snow. His game on CB against Soulkey was similar. Amazing late game map movement.
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Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 11:26 GMT
#61
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Action Game 3?

Yes (19)
 
95%

If you have time (1)
 
5%

No (0)
 
0%

20 total votes

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☐ Yes
☐ If you have time
☐ No


BW is back
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-20 11:30:10
August 20 2019 11:27 GMT
#62
what a series! just wow great build from action on sylphid and just amazing reaction from snow keeping it together the 3rd game on overwatch the endless rain of storms picking off all the lurkers one by one amazing!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4173 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-20 11:31:11
August 20 2019 11:29 GMT
#63
Sweet game number three. Damn, that was good. Constant fighting, back and forth action, great unit movement and control..

GG ! ! !
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 11:35 GMT
#64
wow, snow is doing so much damage
BW is back
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 11:42 GMT
#65
such great defense by snow
BW is back
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
August 20 2019 11:43 GMT
#66
this has been the weirdest game of the season

I am loving this series
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 11:43 GMT
#67
snow finds the hidden base!
BW is back
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 20 2019 11:44 GMT
#68
Devourers please.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 11:51 GMT
#69
So many mutas, seems so useless
BW is back
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 11:52 GMT
#70
huge ground upgrade advantage for snow 3-1 vs 0-1
BW is back
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
August 20 2019 11:54 GMT
#71
GG!
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 11:54 GMT
#72
Action ggs, snow in the finals!

I just really hope flash wins tomorrow, if rain wins it's gonna be a free ASL for him
BW is back
asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1599 Posts
August 20 2019 11:55 GMT
#73
Action seemed a bit off after losing the second game. Still ggs!
eSTRO for life | #3 Sea.Really fan! | GGoliath! | aeterna societas honoris | cbta~ | Flash makes Terran look like Toss | aka RevaL
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 20 2019 11:55 GMT
#74
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Action Game 4?

Yes (15)
 
94%

If you have time (1)
 
6%

No (0)
 
0%

16 total votes

You must be logged in to vote in this poll.

☐ Yes
☐ If you have time
☐ No

BW is back
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 20 2019 11:56 GMT
#75
Snow, you magnificent bastard.

Now we hope Flash wins so we have a good final and not another PvP stomp.
WriterReV hwaiting!
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
August 20 2019 11:57 GMT
#76
GG, action played super well. I felt like he really should have won game 2, but a few bad engages cost him the game

Didn't feel like action's condition was against him, his play was superb, really good series

bring on flash vs. snow finals pls, if rain makes it to the final I'm deleting starcraft forever
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 20 2019 11:58 GMT
#77
I don't know if I want to see more tripod next season.

No PvP finals pls.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
August 20 2019 12:00 GMT
#78
Amazing victory! Now unleash the Ultimate Weapon!
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
August 20 2019 12:27 GMT
#79
Action... why you threw soOooo hard that 2nd game... Good job to SnOw, now go and defeat God once more!
sunbeams are never made like me...
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-20 12:53:36
August 20 2019 12:32 GMT
#80
Snow looking very Jangbi like. Very impressive play.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
August 20 2019 14:40 GMT
#81
Action had a really poor performance imo, this was a predictably one-sided series with that in mind. He won game 1 and then on game 2 he got nervous, suicided a huge amount of hydras even though he was economically and psychologically ahead, and things just went downhill from there. He looked super frustrated in the cam shot. Game 3 he was ahead in bases early on but just let Snow expand as much as he wanted and never got a 4th base up. Game 4, wow, he played it like an island map for some reason, and ZvP is so hard on islands, just made no sense to me, Tastosis were trying to figure out what those mutas were even for the whole game. Finally he went with 10+ overlords to the border of Snow's base and decided not to drop after all. Shaky performance.
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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3440 Posts
August 20 2019 14:49 GMT
#82
Still no idea how Action manage to get in the semifinal. His Ro8 play was all over the place. His semifinal decisions were baffling. Like he keep trippling over himself and land to the next round previously.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8085 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-20 15:08:54
August 20 2019 15:01 GMT
#83
I guess i need to rewatch game 2 but seems like Action would have won if he didn't pull his mutas back to help fight zealots and instead sacked his mineral only base and used his mutas to kill snow's main nexus. If that happened he would have still been up 3 bases to 1. Snow played so good all series though. Fantastic army movements, never over-extending. His denial of templar snipes in game 2 was amazing. It was interesting how he was able to neuter the hydra rush in game 3 but making so many early zealots. He basically forced action to make so many zerglings that he had to wait longer for hydras and couldn't snowball into a free 4th base like what you want to do with the 973 (when action moved out with hydras he had 0 drones at the 3rd IIRC). Game 4 was a 2gate vs 12hatch which isn't great for Z, but snow also totally out-micro'd action and forced out so many zerglings.

Snow played great. Can't help but wonder if action was handicapped because of his surgery though.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19226 Posts
August 20 2019 15:03 GMT
#84
Sick games! I'm not cheering for Rain to lose tomorrow, but it seems like if he makes the finals then he may as well be handed the trophy.
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Nematocyst
Profile Joined October 2017
United States164 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-20 15:20:37
August 20 2019 15:20 GMT
#85
I thought Action played really well. Just Snow needs to change his name to Patience. What a great showing from Snow. Glad they both came to play. Fun to watch.

T: You just keep going to those qualifiers.

A: One day... those trains will stop...
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-20 15:32:33
August 20 2019 15:31 GMT
#86
On August 21 2019 00:01 Ideas wrote:
Snow played great. Can't help but wonder if action was handicapped because of his surgery though.

He honestly looked pretty bad vs Sharp too, so I don't think that's the reason. He's a great player, but it seems like he gets nervous and screws up a lot.
Really glad to see Snow demonstrate again that he's taken his PvZ from terrible to top-tier. Also, he should show up tomorrow to lead the cheers for Flash.
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
August 20 2019 15:33 GMT
#87
On August 21 2019 00:03 BisuDagger wrote:
Sick games! I'm not cheering for Rain to lose tomorrow, but it seems like if he makes the finals then he may as well be handed the trophy.

The finals is tomorrow! Doesn't get much better than tomorrow's match up (:
And if Flash wins, we get two finals.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
August 20 2019 16:14 GMT
#88
I'm proud of Action for going through with it and giving us great games and I look forward to seeing him next Ro16
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Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
August 20 2019 19:55 GMT
#89
Great series!
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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
August 20 2019 20:16 GMT
#90
Great job Snow. Very cool games.

Let's see if Flash pulls through so that we have one hell of a final!
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KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
August 20 2019 22:21 GMT
#91
Snow is quite the player. He completely outclassed Action. Calm and measured under pressure. Meanwhile Action's emotions were all over the place, and it was reflected in his shaky game play. Action's play was honestly a bit embarrassing. Those criticizing his Ro8 performance have even more to criticize now
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-20 23:01:01
August 20 2019 22:58 GMT
#92
I don't want to bash Action as he's one of the best zergs in the world and a stalwart in the final 16 of ASL/KSL past few seasons, but he just seems to be at such a lower level than Larva/Zero/Sacsri despite consistently making deeper runs than them.

Going the ling all in game 1 was brilliant given the current meta of Protoss expecting 9734 with a possibility of facing 3 hatch muta which forces Protoss to peek out to see if he needs more cannons or not. The hidden expo with lair+spire and then fake lair in main was also brilliant. But then he follows it up with not going lurkers with 5 bases on Sylphid, or suiciding hydras down a choke point, refusing to expand on Overwatch and letting Snow turtle up on the top right, or going mass muta and willingly playing an island ZvP on tripod.

At least the games were fun and exciting, but I can't help but think Zero would be at worst 2-2 after game 4 there vs Snow, and the same with Larva. I'd usually say the same for Sacsri, but Rain beat him like a red headed stepchild.
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8085 Posts
August 20 2019 23:21 GMT
#93
On August 21 2019 07:58 BigBalls wrote:
I don't want to bash Action as he's one of the best zergs in the world and a stalwart in the final 16 of ASL/KSL past few seasons, but he just seems to be at such a lower level than Larva/Zero/Sacsri despite consistently making deeper runs than them.

Going the ling all in game 1 was brilliant given the current meta of Protoss expecting 9734 with a possibility of facing 3 hatch muta which forces Protoss to peek out to see if he needs more cannons or not. The hidden expo with lair+spire and then fake lair in main was also brilliant. But then he follows it up with not going lurkers with 5 bases on Sylphid, or suiciding hydras down a choke point, refusing to expand on Overwatch and letting Snow turtle up on the top right, or going mass muta and willingly playing an island ZvP on tripod.

At least the games were fun and exciting, but I can't help but think Zero would be at worst 2-2 after game 4 there vs Snow, and the same with Larva. I'd usually say the same for Sacsri, but Rain beat him like a red headed stepchild.


My impression of Action is that mechanically he's not on par with other top zergs (zero/larva/soma? and previously also soulkey/effort), but he's a great strategic player and does better in tournaments than he "should" by being a tricky player and having great builds. He's basically like Calm but his skill isn't nearly as degraded (IE he's not totally dead if the game goes on past 8 minutes and he's not already massively ahead).
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LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
August 21 2019 00:03 GMT
#94
A lot of zerg players learned and know how to play late game ZvT due to the massive amount of macro games such as standard muta, hive defiler play vs SK terran, att+1 5 rax into late mech switch, 111, pure mech. It is not simple in the early game, but late game is always going to be the similar case.

However, zerg players mostly practiced about the early game of ZvP opening like 9734(4th hatchery for 4 base), 3 hatch all in zergling vs 1 gate expo and some stuff about early game aggressiveness without going lair. Protoss players faced this kind of numerous games, and they improved just like how zerg improved vs terran's various opening.

You can see the similar concept. Disadvantage side of the match race improves and case like TvZ, terran stopped playing macro game like the old scene(split into half, late mech). Action drew too big picture of ZvP game(advantage side going macro/split map) and unfortunately he couldn't do anything in the late game.
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BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-21 02:17:27
August 21 2019 01:58 GMT
#95
On August 21 2019 08:21 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2019 07:58 BigBalls wrote:
I don't want to bash Action as he's one of the best zergs in the world and a stalwart in the final 16 of ASL/KSL past few seasons, but he just seems to be at such a lower level than Larva/Zero/Sacsri despite consistently making deeper runs than them.

Going the ling all in game 1 was brilliant given the current meta of Protoss expecting 9734 with a possibility of facing 3 hatch muta which forces Protoss to peek out to see if he needs more cannons or not. The hidden expo with lair+spire and then fake lair in main was also brilliant. But then he follows it up with not going lurkers with 5 bases on Sylphid, or suiciding hydras down a choke point, refusing to expand on Overwatch and letting Snow turtle up on the top right, or going mass muta and willingly playing an island ZvP on tripod.

At least the games were fun and exciting, but I can't help but think Zero would be at worst 2-2 after game 4 there vs Snow, and the same with Larva. I'd usually say the same for Sacsri, but Rain beat him like a red headed stepchild.


My impression of Action is that mechanically he's not on par with other top zergs (zero/larva/soma? and previously also soulkey/effort), but he's a great strategic player and does better in tournaments than he "should" by being a tricky player and having great builds. He's basically like Calm but his skill isn't nearly as degraded (IE he's not totally dead if the game goes on past 8 minutes and he's not already massively ahead).


Agree with this. Artosis did mention that there was a feeling of inevitability once the game dragged on and it was semi-neutral, that Snow would eventually outclass him and that seemed to be the case. But it's pretty clear that strategically, Action had a stranglehold on the first 3 games of the series. The 4th game that was not the case, but I'd attribute some of it to luck to lose the 50/50 of where his first hatch expansion should go, and perhaps either he would have chosen a different followup than pure muta or it would have been more effective had he been able to drone a little more at his natural early on.


edit/addendum: the opposite is true for larva: while he has pristine mechanics, his strategy is much weaker because he stubbornly refuses to play builds other people do and insists on making his own work. He continues to play 3 hatch muta in ZvT despite nearly everyone else agreeing 2 hatch muta is superior, and there's just about no way he'll use the 9734 build in ZvP when he can continue taking another natural and then turtling everywhere into lurker ling defiler to try and drag out late game 4 gas wins.
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
TonDan
Profile Joined May 2018
65 Posts
August 21 2019 04:12 GMT
#96
Action seems to lack battle tactics. he can clearly macro and has good builds, but he doesn't know how to force advantageous positions.
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
August 21 2019 10:08 GMT
#97
On August 21 2019 10:58 BigBalls wrote:

edit/addendum: the opposite is true for larva: while he has pristine mechanics, his strategy is much weaker because he stubbornly refuses to play builds other people do and insists on making his own work. He continues to play 3 hatch muta in ZvT despite nearly everyone else agreeing 2 hatch muta is superior, and there's just about no way he'll use the 9734 build in ZvP when he can continue taking another natural and then turtling everywhere into lurker ling defiler to try and drag out late game 4 gas wins.


On August 21 2019 13:12 TonDan wrote:
Action seems to lack battle tactics. he can clearly macro and has good builds, but he doesn't know how to force advantageous positions.


Agreed, good posts.
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