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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51072 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-30 08:04:54
July 28 2019 06:38 GMT
#1

Afreeca Starleague Season 8


Sunday, Jul 28 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)


(Wiki)Afreeca Starleague Season 8


Casters & Hosts


Tasteless | Artosis | RAPiD | NoRegreT


Streams


Korean Afreeca Stream
ENG Afreeca Stream (Tastosis)


Matchups and Maps



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(P)Rain              (P)Snow

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(P)Stork              (P)Best






Results


+ Show Spoiler [Full results] +




Recommended Games


+ Show Spoiler [Rain vs Snow] +
Poll: Recommend Rain vs Snow?

Yes (8)
 
89%

If you have time (1)
 
11%

No (0)
 
0%

9 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Snow?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


+ Show Spoiler [Stork vs BeSt] +

+ Show Spoiler [Winners Game] +

+ Show Spoiler [Losers Game] +

+ Show Spoiler [Final] +




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Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
July 28 2019 07:06 GMT
#2
hoping stork and snow
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
July 28 2019 07:25 GMT
#3
hoping stork and snow

That's the dream. I'm mostly hoping that Snow doesn't choke too hard.
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
July 28 2019 07:32 GMT
#4
Heart says Stork and Snow.

Probably gonna be Rain and either Stork or Snow, more likely Stork, I think. :/
WriterReV hwaiting!
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
July 28 2019 08:05 GMT
#5
I can't help but root against rain cause of how dominant he's been in this match up for so long. Even though he'll surely advance (and it wouldn't feel legit without him) I gotta go for my bois snow and stork
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1115 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-28 08:16:45
July 28 2019 08:16 GMT
#6
Lets not count Best out just yet
dredredre
Profile Joined December 2006
100 Posts
July 28 2019 08:41 GMT
#7
I predict that we will see the most epic games in a while. And this is coming from someone who is generally not the biggest fan of mirror matchups. But this lineup is absolutely epic and cannot disappoint.
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
July 28 2019 09:05 GMT
#8
You are a champ for making these all the time. Ain't gonna lie, the scene now reminds me a little of peak Proleague. There's an unmistakable buzz. The live experience is worth it. God I love this game.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1156 Posts
July 28 2019 09:11 GMT
#9
if snow and (best) gets knocked out flash wins asl
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12041 Posts
July 28 2019 09:29 GMT
#10
BeSt and Rain.

ex-SKT fighting!
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1115 Posts
July 28 2019 09:44 GMT
#11
I love how everyone is aware of it, yet im sure Rain will win at least 1 game with a rush dt somehow -.-
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 28 2019 09:54 GMT
#12
Hoping for Stork & Rain.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12041 Posts
July 28 2019 10:11 GMT
#13
Who's the middle guy in the korean cast?
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51607 Posts
July 28 2019 10:15 GMT
#14
lmao snow's theme is from an obscure Czechoslovakian animation in the 1970s
Commentator
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51607 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-28 10:22:50
July 28 2019 10:16 GMT
#15
On July 28 2019 19:11 Qikz wrote:
Who's the middle guy in the korean cast?


chae min-jun/chaester, former sc2 proleague caster at spotv games.
really nice guy who would always try to speak english to you lmao

edit: artosis is right - rain's fpv right now
http://play.afreecatv.com/afstar/216033761
[image loading]
Commentator
Incomplete..ReV
Profile Joined August 2017
Norway661 Posts
July 28 2019 10:31 GMT
#16
Really cool game 1! :-D
It's ok. I still love you <3
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
July 28 2019 10:32 GMT
#17
Fantasy gg timing /s
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51072 Posts
July 28 2019 10:35 GMT
#18
Poll: Recommend Rain vs Snow?

Yes (8)
 
89%

If you have time (1)
 
11%

No (0)
 
0%

9 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Snow?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1156 Posts
July 28 2019 10:43 GMT
#19
strok
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51072 Posts
July 28 2019 10:44 GMT
#20
Poll: Recommend Stork vs BeSt?

No (8)
 
89%

If you have time (1)
 
11%

Yes (0)
 
0%

9 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Stork vs BeSt?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 28 2019 10:44 GMT
#21
... great game. Stork
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1115 Posts
July 28 2019 10:45 GMT
#22
Probe scouted enough to cancel 3rd / add robo/forge asap

wtf
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
July 28 2019 10:45 GMT
#23
Best beats Stork with a dt drop
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1115 Posts
July 28 2019 10:56 GMT
#24
that drill was amazing.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51072 Posts
July 28 2019 11:08 GMT
#25
Poll: Recommend Rain vs BeSt Game 1?

No (7)
 
88%

Yes (1)
 
13%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

8 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Rain vs BeSt Game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51072 Posts
July 28 2019 11:13 GMT
#26
Poll: Recommend Rain vs BeSt Game 2?

If you have time (5)
 
63%

Yes (2)
 
25%

No (1)
 
13%

8 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Rain vs BeSt Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time



don't bet against RainvP
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1115 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-28 11:14:15
July 28 2019 11:13 GMT
#27
Rain knows when to priorize units to probe is so impressive. Saved him in a game he should have lost there.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51072 Posts
July 28 2019 11:35 GMT
#28
Poll: Recommend Stork vs Snow Game 1?

No (3)
 
60%

Yes (1)
 
20%

If you have time (1)
 
20%

5 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Stork vs Snow Game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
July 28 2019 11:36 GMT
#29
Hope snow can get through, he's a fun player to watch. The best game so far was his game against rain.

Best vs Stork game is one of the reasons that I think PvP is the worst mirror.
BW is back
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
July 28 2019 11:42 GMT
#30
This variety of PvP is actually pretty fun
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51072 Posts
July 28 2019 11:43 GMT
#31
Poll: Recommend Stork vs Snow Game 2?

If you have time (3)
 
100%

Yes (0)
 
0%

No (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Stork vs Snow Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-28 11:48:46
July 28 2019 11:48 GMT
#32
This 3rd losers set will be a long PvP
BW is back
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
July 28 2019 11:54 GMT
#33
WTF stork. going out was absolutely unnecessary and killed him
BW is back
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
July 28 2019 11:57 GMT
#34
He chose...

poorly.
WriterReV hwaiting!
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
July 28 2019 12:09 GMT
#35
seems that best is trying to cheese his way out of this group
BW is back
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
July 28 2019 12:22 GMT
#36
great game 1 for snow
BW is back
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51072 Posts
July 28 2019 12:23 GMT
#37
Poll: Recommend Stork vs Snow Game 3?

No (1)
 
100%

Yes (0)
 
0%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

1 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Stork vs Snow Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Poll: Recommend BeSt vs Snow Game 1?

Yes (5)
 
100%

No (0)
 
0%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

5 total votes

Your vote: Recommend BeSt vs Snow Game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
KarlHungus1908
Profile Joined May 2017
67 Posts
July 28 2019 12:23 GMT
#38
Funny moment with 5 blocked probes.
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
July 28 2019 12:24 GMT
#39
Can't believe best threw that huge advantage even finding that base late.
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
July 28 2019 12:32 GMT
#40
Dud of the year
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2106 Posts
July 28 2019 12:34 GMT
#41
nice shuttles bro
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
July 28 2019 12:38 GMT
#42
Snow repeatedly and willfully shooting himself in the foot, I am genuinely amazed.
WriterReV hwaiting!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51072 Posts
July 28 2019 12:45 GMT
#43
Poll: Recommend BeSt vs Snow Game 2?

Yes (4)
 
67%

No (1)
 
17%

If you have time (1)
 
17%

6 total votes

Your vote: Recommend BeSt vs Snow Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
July 28 2019 12:46 GMT
#44
no surprises for today
BW is back
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1156 Posts
July 28 2019 12:46 GMT
#45
snow still in it flash be afraid!
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
July 28 2019 12:48 GMT
#46
Hope flash goes on second in group D so we can have a Rain v Flash
BW is back
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2106 Posts
July 28 2019 12:52 GMT
#47
On July 28 2019 21:48 Jackal03 wrote:
Hope flash goes on second in group D so we can have a Rain v Flash


the seeding for the ro8 hasnt been confirmed yet, theyve done a few different variants in the past iirc
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-28 12:59:32
July 28 2019 12:56 GMT
#48
Glad that sk's spot isn't wasted regardless. Hope he advances so we get all the 3rd place players back for a shot

Rush, larva, best, Sacsri/horang2 would all make good additions to the ro8
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
July 28 2019 13:02 GMT
#49
On July 28 2019 21:56 Wonk wrote:
Glad that sk's spot isn't wasted regardless. Hope he advances so we get all the 3rd place players back for a shot

Rush, larva, best, Sacsri/horang2 would all make good additions to the ro8

Would be a bit strange for the competition in his own group to have a shot at his place.
WriterReV hwaiting!
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
July 28 2019 13:40 GMT
#50
On July 28 2019 22:02 TaardadAiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2019 21:56 Wonk wrote:
Glad that sk's spot isn't wasted regardless. Hope he advances so we get all the 3rd place players back for a shot

Rush, larva, best, Sacsri/horang2 would all make good additions to the ro8

Would be a bit strange for the competition in his own group to have a shot at his place.

Well, one of them would have advanced if he weren't there.
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
July 28 2019 13:49 GMT
#51
On July 28 2019 22:02 TaardadAiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2019 21:56 Wonk wrote:
Glad that sk's spot isn't wasted regardless. Hope he advances so we get all the 3rd place players back for a shot

Rush, larva, best, Sacsri/horang2 would all make good additions to the ro8

Would be a bit strange for the competition in his own group to have a shot at his place.

Why not? They have every right to play for his spot as the other 3rd placers
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 28 2019 15:39 GMT
#52
On Aiur, there is no good weather.

I hope Soulkey advances and successfully delays his military service; if he can't, then Best or Larva as replacements, for sure!
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-28 16:56:27
July 28 2019 16:33 GMT
#53
Rain played poker face, that was S class. That reactionary insta probe drill to save contained dragoon between 2 zealots is as close as Pimpest Play because he could lose the game without it. But fucking c'mon BeSt, you threw two last important games vs. SnOw when you were ahead! He let both times ninja bases work for opponent. I fucking love those scarab RNGs, imagine how dull and one sided games would be if one scarab destroyed all mineral line.
sunbeams are never made like me...
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
July 28 2019 17:10 GMT
#54
On July 28 2019 19:16 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2019 19:11 Qikz wrote:
Who's the middle guy in the korean cast?


chae min-jun/chaester, former sc2 proleague caster at spotv games.
really nice guy who would always try to speak english to you lmao

edit: artosis is right - rain's fpv right now
http://play.afreecatv.com/afstar/216033761
[image loading]


the hell, what is this, a game for ants

learned today that rain is some psychopath
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
July 28 2019 23:08 GMT
#55
Rain v Flash plz
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-28 23:12:50
July 28 2019 23:09 GMT
#56
On July 29 2019 02:10 N.geNuity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2019 19:16 GTR wrote:
On July 28 2019 19:11 Qikz wrote:
Who's the middle guy in the korean cast?


chae min-jun/chaester, former sc2 proleague caster at spotv games.
really nice guy who would always try to speak english to you lmao

edit: artosis is right - rain's fpv right now
http://play.afreecatv.com/afstar/216033761
[image loading]


the hell, what is this, a game for ants

learned today that rain is some psychopath


I understand him though as player who played on a notebook '15 screen and 20-21 LCD all my life old good 1.16.1 BW. If they gave him 27' inch monitor everything will look hugeass thus his eyes are going to need so much pressure and long distance to move. IIRC correctly Bisu (who had best PvP record, doesn't that say something) used to play on smaller window too (ASL semis) and EffOrt preferred old graphics on ladder/training instead of new ones.
sunbeams are never made like me...
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
July 28 2019 23:09 GMT
#57
Best has to be No. 1 for top choker of all time. It's comical at thus point how creatively he'll throw away games in individual leagues
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1715 Posts
July 29 2019 00:28 GMT
#58
Rain is fucking incredible at PvP

This can't be stated enough

So amazing to watch him play

Now if only he would fucking put his templars in some Shuttles in PvZ and PvT, he'd be as dominant as Flash
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1115 Posts
July 29 2019 01:58 GMT
#59
Pretty sure he did that quite a few times in his series against Larva in ASL 4, cant remember how well it worked... Could u go rewatch the series and let me know please?
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
July 29 2019 02:21 GMT
#60
Rain is a god, his FPV is a straight up mind fuck.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1156 Posts
July 29 2019 03:27 GMT
#61
his minimap awareness/accuracy is startlingly good for that size.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 29 2019 03:36 GMT
#62
Something that the casters and observer missed was that in Best vs Rain game 1, Best transferred his probes back while the reaver was still in his base and lost 9 of them to a scarab shot. Happens off screen at 9:40 but you can see from the minimap and supply. Otherwise, Best would have been quite ahead after the failed attack by Rain.
GANDHISAUCE
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1115 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-29 04:49:58
July 29 2019 04:46 GMT
#63
It was in game 2, and they showed the replay after the commercial break.

The attack was "failed" because Rain was busy with that scarab when he saw bunch of probes coming back to the main.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 29 2019 06:02 GMT
#64
On July 29 2019 13:46 TornadoSteve wrote:
It was in game 2, and they showed the replay after the commercial break.

The attack was "failed" because Rain was busy with that scarab when he saw bunch of probes coming back to the main.

Oh okay, I didn't realize they did a replay. That's what I get for watching the VODs and skipping the parts between games. 8]
GANDHISAUCE
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2413 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-29 07:05:30
July 29 2019 07:02 GMT
#65
On July 29 2019 01:33 outscar wrote:
I fucking love those scarab RNGs, imagine how dull and one sided games would be if one scarab destroyed all mineral line.

It's not RNG, scarabs simply fail if they take too long before they blow up. This is why pros will grab all their probes and run them away, despite the fact that it groups them up and creates those moments that look like they're all going to blow up. So long as the scarab takes too long to reach them, it will dud. There's still some "randomness" in whether the scarab gets stuck on buildings, etc, but that as well could be theoretically played around by someone with a good understanding for how they tend to move. Probably matters a lot which probe is targetted too, because I imagine a scarab can get stuck on the "back" probe while trying to reach a "middle" probe in the train.

Artosis seems to have finally picked up on this after years of casting haha, he mentioned it in the casting for these games, whereas previously it's always been "oh my god oh my god will it will it... oh no, dud scarab!".
The original Bogus fan.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
July 29 2019 13:20 GMT
#66
On July 29 2019 16:02 Turbovolver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 01:33 outscar wrote:
I fucking love those scarab RNGs, imagine how dull and one sided games would be if one scarab destroyed all mineral line.

It's not RNG, scarabs simply fail if they take too long before they blow up. This is why pros will grab all their probes and run them away, despite the fact that it groups them up and creates those moments that look like they're all going to blow up. So long as the scarab takes too long to reach them, it will dud. There's still some "randomness" in whether the scarab gets stuck on buildings, etc, but that as well could be theoretically played around by someone with a good understanding for how they tend to move. Probably matters a lot which probe is targetted too, because I imagine a scarab can get stuck on the "back" probe while trying to reach a "middle" probe in the train.

Artosis seems to have finally picked up on this after years of casting haha, he mentioned it in the casting for these games, whereas previously it's always been "oh my god oh my god will it will it... oh no, dud scarab!".


True, Artosis isn't losing his shit as before. I remember my ears exploded by Tastosis on ASL1 finals when Shuttle was wrecking Sharp's main and natural.

Also, BeSt is unlickiest player with glitches working against him. On ASL7 ro16 decider match vs. Mind, terran planted mines to his main, BeSt got obs but his goons glitched and triggered mines, he lost almost all probes thus got eliminated. This all series he was unlucky with his 2 gate center proxy because Rain glitched out contained goon perfectly. Then on his first game vs. SnOw his probes got stuck behind assimilator, what was that, 7-8 probes that were dancing?
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1115 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-29 13:47:38
July 29 2019 13:47 GMT
#67
Best had like 78 butterflies life to move his probes from there. (against Mind)
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
July 29 2019 15:03 GMT
#68
Luck is the residue of design.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1115 Posts
July 29 2019 16:35 GMT
#69
Honestly, its hard to find whats wrong with Best... He has no real weakness and he looks solid in all 3 match up.
It seems that he just doesnt have what it takes to step up to the next (and last) level. He just cant.
- Doesnt scout the bottom of the map with a probe in 2nd game against snow is non sense. BUT AT LEAST HE DID SCOUTED SNOW'S MAIN WITH 2 FULL SHUTTLES. my god, its frustrating to root for this guy.
kidcrash
Profile Joined September 2009
United States623 Posts
July 29 2019 17:16 GMT
#70
Did you guys notice either artosis or tasteless saying that the next group is "soulkey's last televised pro match"? I knew he was going to the military but people were saying he could delay until end of asl. Is this information confirmed? How will they replace his spot if he advances?
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-30 04:12:13
July 29 2019 17:50 GMT
#71
On July 30 2019 02:16 kidcrash wrote:
Did you guys notice either artosis or tasteless saying that the next group is "soulkey's last televised pro match"? I knew he was going to the military but people were saying he could delay until end of asl. Is this information confirmed? How will they replace his spot if he advances?

I think they said the 3rd place finishers from the ro16 will play for SK's spot (assuming he advances).
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19366 Posts
July 29 2019 18:39 GMT
#72
On July 30 2019 01:35 TornadoSteve wrote:
Honestly, its hard to find whats wrong with Best... He has no real weakness and he looks solid in all 3 match up.
It seems that he just doesnt have what it takes to step up to the next (and last) level. He just cant.
- Doesnt scout the bottom of the map with a probe in 2nd game against snow is non sense. BUT AT LEAST HE DID SCOUTED SNOW'S MAIN WITH 2 FULL SHUTTLES. my god, its frustrating to root for this guy.

vs Rain:
BeSt threw his advantage versus Rain by sacking his vessel outside the natural of Rain instead of staying at home and guarding his own natural. Tastelss rightfully states BeSt is in the lead -> then he needlessly loses his reaver and shuttle -> Rain jumps ahead in army supply. BeSt just needed defend while building workers and take his natural gas.

vs Snow:
It's actually odd that BeSt let the ninja expo work in Game 2. Between games it is not uncommon to quickly fast forward through the previous game rep just to see if you missed something. I'm not sure if these days ASL doesn't allow it or if there simply isn't enough time between games, but this is definitely something he should have done.
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KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-30 04:05:05
July 30 2019 04:04 GMT
#73
How good is BeSt v Zerg? Back in primetime Proleague/MSL/OSL days he was sub-50%. He looks better now, but competition is weaker. What do the $tat$ say?
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-30 15:13:17
July 30 2019 15:10 GMT
#74
On July 29 2019 22:20 outscar wrote:
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On July 29 2019 16:02 Turbovolver wrote:
On July 29 2019 01:33 outscar wrote:
I fucking love those scarab RNGs, imagine how dull and one sided games would be if one scarab destroyed all mineral line.

It's not RNG, scarabs simply fail if they take too long before they blow up. This is why pros will grab all their probes and run them away, despite the fact that it groups them up and creates those moments that look like they're all going to blow up. So long as the scarab takes too long to reach them, it will dud. There's still some "randomness" in whether the scarab gets stuck on buildings, etc, but that as well could be theoretically played around by someone with a good understanding for how they tend to move. Probably matters a lot which probe is targetted too, because I imagine a scarab can get stuck on the "back" probe while trying to reach a "middle" probe in the train.

Artosis seems to have finally picked up on this after years of casting haha, he mentioned it in the casting for these games, whereas previously it's always been "oh my god oh my god will it will it... oh no, dud scarab!".


True, Artosis isn't losing his shit as before. I remember my ears exploded by Tastosis on ASL1 finals when Shuttle was wrecking Sharp's main and natural.

Also, BeSt is unlickiest player with glitches working against him. On ASL7 ro16 decider match vs. Mind, terran planted mines to his main, BeSt got obs but his goons glitched and triggered mines, he lost almost all probes thus got eliminated. This all series he was unlucky with his 2 gate center proxy because Rain glitched out contained goon perfectly. Then on his first game vs. SnOw his probes got stuck behind assimilator, what was that, 7-8 probes that were dancing?


Most of those glitches are not "luck".

With the gas glitch Artosis even mentioned, that even though BeSt must have played hundreds of practice games on this map, he decided to change his robo position to one where it glitches.

Notice how Protosses always make their walls the same way? It's because that way they are sure which units will fit, and how their probes will drill and connect with run-by zerglings, for example. The same happens with every other building position. BeSt didn't practice that, or decided to put his robot in another position in that game.


vs Rain, it's mostly not luck. Rain positioned his probes to drill through his goon. If you overlap units like this, you will eventually get it out (you can try it yourself with goons and probes, but with other units as well, drill-through, stop and click the unit away). Rain could have actually glitched the goon out faster than he did. After glitching the first one out, Rain positioned I think 2? probes in the lower right position of the gate, so the goon would spawn outside of the pylon prision.


vs Scarabs, yeah, there's some luck involved, but you will notice how reavers will glitch out less for certain players, cause they know what firing angles work better; or decide to take additional risks, like not landing reavers behind mineral lines, which tend to glitch out more.
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