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[ASL7] Ro8 Day 1 - Calm vs Mini

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ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
February 23 2019 04:15 GMT
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Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
February 23 2019 05:07 GMT
#2
No preview article ): I'm just hoping for good games this match is difficult to predict.
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Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-23 05:10:44
February 23 2019 05:10 GMT
#3
not sure who i like less... mini is protoss scum but clam has always been a cheeser, even back in kespa days. 12 pool into 2 hatch lurker every game versus terran.
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
February 23 2019 05:22 GMT
#4
I think Mini’s got this, but I’d be alright with calm getting through. Mini is the better player by far I think.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
February 23 2019 06:18 GMT
#5
On February 23 2019 14:07 Rodya wrote:
No preview article ): I'm just hoping for good games this match is difficult to predict.


its up now
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arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
February 23 2019 06:48 GMT
#6
I love that it is Bo5. Hope to see 5 games here!
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KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
February 23 2019 07:05 GMT
#7
Mini 3-1 in convincing fashion but gets CLAMMED one game
avanhokie
Profile Joined May 2017
50 Posts
February 23 2019 07:21 GMT
#8
Gogo Mini beat this cheeser. I expect Calm to get one where he goes Muta/Scourge but Mini should beat him in more standard macro games.
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
February 23 2019 08:28 GMT
#9
hypeeeee
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
February 23 2019 08:29 GMT
#10
For first time in my life, i will cheer for a Z against a P. Calm victory @3.40 Gogogogo Calm make me rich again!
RAPiDCasting
Profile Joined July 2009
Korea (South)594 Posts
February 23 2019 08:42 GMT
#11
My heart says calm but my head says mini. Might need to pour one out for the winner in the Ro4 though...
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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
February 23 2019 09:06 GMT
#12
I think Calm 3:1 Mini
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arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
February 23 2019 10:00 GMT
#13
Youtube stream:
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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3123 Posts
February 23 2019 10:03 GMT
#14
Predicting Mini 3-2 to advance through to the Semifinals against EffOrt.
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Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-23 10:08:43
February 23 2019 10:08 GMT
#15
Mini does not have a very charismatic voice.... sounds so disinterested lol
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
February 23 2019 10:09 GMT
#16
Calm is a fairly likable fellow with an entertaining playstyle.

But he is a Zerg. Zerg must suffer.

Go Mini go!
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razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
February 23 2019 10:21 GMT
#17
ez pz
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Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
February 23 2019 10:22 GMT
#18
wow mini played right into calms hands
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
February 23 2019 10:22 GMT
#19
Poll: Recommend Calm vs Mini Game 1?

No (12)
 
92%

If you have time (1)
 
8%

Yes (0)
 
0%

13 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Calm vs Mini Game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
February 23 2019 10:23 GMT
#20
love doing this build against tryhard 1 gating tosses
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3123 Posts
February 23 2019 10:24 GMT
#21
Let's hope we get some longer games this time around.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Incomplete..ReV
Profile Joined August 2017
Norway637 Posts
February 23 2019 10:25 GMT
#22
Hope he doesn't tilt himself to a quick 0-3 =/
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
February 23 2019 10:27 GMT
#23
On February 23 2019 19:25 Incomplete..ReV wrote:
Hope he doesn't tilt himself to a quick 0-3 =/


mini knows how to tilt.
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razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
February 23 2019 10:29 GMT
#24
oh shit, see that look on calm's face? yeah that was a slightly messed up split
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51507 Posts
February 23 2019 10:31 GMT
#25
haha what the fuck is mini doing today
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TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
February 23 2019 10:36 GMT
#26
This DT.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4374 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-23 10:40:42
February 23 2019 10:40 GMT
#27
some in game bug?
Observer stream broken like a bugged replay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
February 23 2019 10:41 GMT
#28
yeah it looks like we were watching a faulty replay for a moment..
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
February 23 2019 10:42 GMT
#29
mid game protoss stronk
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
February 23 2019 10:43 GMT
#30
wow he could have focused fire down both nexi zzz
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
February 23 2019 10:44 GMT
#31
Poll: Recommend Calm vs Mini Game 2?

If you have time (9)
 
64%

No (5)
 
36%

Yes (0)
 
0%

14 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Calm vs Mini Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
February 23 2019 10:44 GMT
#32
mini needs to cut his nails
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-23 10:46:41
February 23 2019 10:46 GMT
#33
they're doing a good STX thing.
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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3123 Posts
February 23 2019 10:50 GMT
#34
Good job by Mini. Now we get to go to game three. Match point should provide us with a pretty fun game between the two.
Artosis loves Starcraft
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
February 23 2019 10:50 GMT
#35
Mini always reminds me of L, kinda brooding, always thinking, kinda slouched

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whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
February 23 2019 10:54 GMT
#36
Calm looks really shaky. Losing drone like that.
it's not just a music it's something else
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
February 23 2019 10:54 GMT
#37
that was weird, if calm already sent a 2nd drone to make the hatch, he shouldn't have sent the original drone back to the nat, giving mini another chance to block it
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whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
February 23 2019 11:03 GMT
#38
Mini with 370 apm haha. Corsair still alive.
it's not just a music it's something else
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
February 23 2019 11:05 GMT
#39
Mini has huge lead. I cannot see Clam denying fourth anyhow.
it's not just a music it's something else
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
February 23 2019 11:07 GMT
#40
Poll: Recommend Calm vs Mini Game 3?

Yes (7)
 
58%

If you have time (3)
 
25%

No (2)
 
17%

12 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Calm vs Mini Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
February 23 2019 11:07 GMT
#41
my head hurts
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Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
February 23 2019 11:07 GMT
#42
why is calm's APM so high lol.... what is he even spending it on
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3123 Posts
February 23 2019 11:09 GMT
#43
Enjoyed that game a lot. Match point is one of my favourite maps to watch games on. Blockchain is up next I believe. I think this is the map Calm veto'd.
Artosis loves Starcraft
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
February 23 2019 11:20 GMT
#44
Three lings in Protoss main and zero kills. Slow lings are so Calm 😀
it's not just a music it's something else
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
February 23 2019 11:21 GMT
#45
too bad calm is not peforming as he was in ro16
BW is back
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
February 23 2019 11:23 GMT
#46
wow, that was such a fail from calm, this will be gg
BW is back
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
February 23 2019 11:25 GMT
#47
what a stomp on this 4th game, mini made calm look like a noob
BW is back
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
February 23 2019 11:25 GMT
#48
Poll: Recommend Calm vs Mini Game 4?

Yes (7)
 
44%

If you have time (5)
 
31%

No (4)
 
25%

16 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Calm vs Mini Game 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4132 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-23 11:27:08
February 23 2019 11:26 GMT
#49
On February 23 2019 20:21 Jackal03 wrote:
too bad calm is not peforming as he was in ro16

Actually he did, he won the bo1, what actually the ro16 was
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Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1964 Posts
February 23 2019 11:27 GMT
#50
On February 23 2019 20:20 whaski wrote:
Three lings in Protoss main and zero kills. Slow lings are so Calm 😀

The last ling got one kill eventually.
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
February 23 2019 11:27 GMT
#51
Audience is very sombre :o

effOrt vs Sharp finals here we come
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deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
February 23 2019 11:28 GMT
#52
Grats to Mini. Calm never seemed to impress me. He cheesed his way through the Ro16. Calm reminds me of Shine but with less ability to transition to a macro game.
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Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-23 11:34:06
February 23 2019 11:32 GMT
#53
Bleh, I'm not sure why I expect calm to always do better. His bigger engages had me scratching my head. He had some good strategic plays in the ro16 but I'm not convinced he should have gone before there.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3123 Posts
February 23 2019 11:38 GMT
#54
I still think EffOrt will roll everyone. Mini will have a big challenge on his hands when he faces EffOrt. Going to be real tough for him.
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superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3685 Posts
February 23 2019 12:47 GMT
#55
On February 23 2019 20:38 NoS-Craig wrote:
I still think EffOrt will roll everyone. Mini will have a big challenge on his hands when he faces EffOrt. Going to be real tough for him.

That would be awesome though. I’m a big afraid of a PvP finals which would suck.
Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
February 23 2019 16:17 GMT
#56
Honestly not a good match, Calm just got rolled. Hoping Mind can put up a better fight against effort
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KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
February 23 2019 16:17 GMT
#57
On February 23 2019 16:05 KamMoye wrote:
Mini 3-1 in convincing fashion but gets CLAMMED one game


Nailed it
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
February 23 2019 16:29 GMT
#58
47:35 on the vod xD
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Acamar
Profile Joined February 2019
7 Posts
February 23 2019 16:50 GMT
#59
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Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6992 Posts
February 23 2019 16:52 GMT
#60
Anyone know what the desync in game 2 was about? Never seen anything like that in pro BW. Is it a remastered "feature"?
Acamar
Profile Joined February 2019
7 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-23 17:21:12
February 23 2019 17:10 GMT
#61
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8148 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-23 17:31:26
February 23 2019 17:27 GMT
#62
Unfortunately that was way more in-line with how I expected things to go for Calm in the ASL haha. He managed to catch his opponents off-guard in Bo1s who underestimated him, but in a Bo5 against a top player he just got super outclassed. It was rough watching his multitasking fall apart against just a couple zealots and a probe, losing dozens of hydras to storms, or getting supply-blocked without even losing overlords.

It'd be cool to see mini get over his nerves and make it to the finals, because mechanically he's a great player that's fun to watch, but he just gets so easily tilted when the pressure's on.
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Nematocyst
Profile Joined October 2017
United States164 Posts
February 23 2019 18:25 GMT
#63
It was cool to see him in Ro24, Ro16, Ro8. But judging from liquibet rank changes, few believed Calm was actually back.
J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
February 23 2019 20:45 GMT
#64
YouTube video not enabled in USA... Wtf
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Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6992 Posts
February 23 2019 20:49 GMT
#65
On February 24 2019 02:10 Acamar wrote:
I think it was merely the resource/supply/apm into interface malfunctioning for one of two computers. They thought Calm was banking resources, and he also had a lot of larva. But he wasn't because one of the computers was bugged and not registering the resources spend. They switched what the viewer said back to some point and you saw the resources for both jump to their actual values.

I don't know what Tasteless saw. He said he saw a 'different game', but I don't know if he means just the counting overlay, or the entire game. It would be strange if one computer really showed a a game as if it was a bugged out replay, because they aren't casting replays (are they?).

I suppose it might've been the resource tab only. There was a peculiar mis-storm at the time though, as well as some weird hydra movements by Calm, but the games had scrappy moments here and there so its not a wonder.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51507 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-23 22:03:00
February 23 2019 22:01 GMT
#66
On February 24 2019 02:10 Acamar wrote:
I think it was merely the resource/supply/apm into interface malfunctioning for one of two computers. They thought Calm was banking resources, and he also had a lot of larva. But he wasn't because one of the computers was bugged and not registering the resources spend. They switched what the viewer said back to some point and you saw the resources for both jump to their actual values.

I don't know what Tasteless saw. He said he saw a 'different game', but I don't know if he means just the counting overlay, or the entire game. It would be strange if one computer really showed a a game as if it was a bugged out replay, because they aren't casting replays (are they?).


there's two monitors at the casting desk. one is of the broadcast feed that we all see at home. the other is of the observer's screen only (so basically what we would see if we were in the game itself).

when production caught that the main observer client was bugged, the broadcast switched to one of the alternate observing pc's and which wasn't affected by the desync bug. however, for the duration of the game, tasteless (who sits on the side where the raw game feed is) had to deal with the desync'd game and had to cast off artosis' monitor.
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Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
February 24 2019 01:02 GMT
#67
Oof Calm got hit by a mini train. Hoping Effort cleans up Mind and then cleans up Mini.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19300 Posts
February 24 2019 01:05 GMT
#68
On February 24 2019 05:45 J. Corsair wrote:
YouTube video not enabled in USA... Wtf

Vod up now https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SRGyrxANxVo
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
February 24 2019 01:44 GMT
#69
Haven't watched series yet but sad Calm "clammed" his way...
Everyone already matching Mini with EffOrt but how you all already count out Mind? If he plays well he's a serial zerg killer. Just go and watch some Mind TvZ and none of them vs. any zerg will disappoint. If EffOrt is on fire like last season he will advance for sure.
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
February 24 2019 02:06 GMT
#70
frankly calm clammed himself. for a player dependant on strategy/mindgames to perform it was shocking to see him basically playing bog standard the whole series.

mind didnt have a great overall offline performance since 2015 while effort is the defending champion and has looked rock steady enroute to this ro8 so its obv effort is the favorite.

Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
February 24 2019 02:57 GMT
#71
Clammed himself again.
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mel_ee
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
2448 Posts
February 24 2019 06:14 GMT
#72
great games. love watching early mistake games.
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Li_Xin
Profile Joined January 2018
51 Posts
February 24 2019 07:28 GMT
#73
The series was completely awful...

Sorry to talk bad about a pro gamer, but I'm blown away at how horribly Calm played this entire series. Hopefully EffOrt beats Mind tonight so we can see a real PvZ series in the ro4. Once again, no offense to Calm but everything about the way he played was absolutely terrible.
GunSlinger
Profile Joined June 2006
614 Posts
February 24 2019 17:59 GMT
#74
On February 24 2019 16:28 Li_Xin wrote:
The series was completely awful...

Sorry to talk bad about a pro gamer, but I'm blown away at how horribly Calm played this entire series. Hopefully EffOrt beats Mind tonight so we can see a real PvZ series in the ro4. Once again, no offense to Calm but everything about the way he played was absolutely terrible.


It wasn't absolutely terrible, but he did not play at the level that we have come to expect from an ASL Ro8. The way I see it is that Calm just... fooled everybody lol. He fooled Miso, he fooled Last, he fooled us all into thinking he was an S-class player. As soon as I saw that lazy Zergling all-in game one, his minerals floating over 350, no natural expansion, I knew what was about to go down.

Starcraft is deep enough that players can sometimes win games through mostly tricks and mindgames. I honestly really admire that aspect of competition. But in the round of 8 of an ASL, it just isn't enough. Congrats to Mini!
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
February 24 2019 18:05 GMT
#75
I don't think anybody thought Calm was S-class tho
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8148 Posts
February 26 2019 04:06 GMT
#76
On February 25 2019 02:59 GunSlinger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2019 16:28 Li_Xin wrote:
The series was completely awful...

Sorry to talk bad about a pro gamer, but I'm blown away at how horribly Calm played this entire series. Hopefully EffOrt beats Mind tonight so we can see a real PvZ series in the ro4. Once again, no offense to Calm but everything about the way he played was absolutely terrible.


It wasn't absolutely terrible, but he did not play at the level that we have come to expect from an ASL Ro8. The way I see it is that Calm just... fooled everybody lol. He fooled Miso, he fooled Last, he fooled us all into thinking he was an S-class player. As soon as I saw that lazy Zergling all-in game one, his minerals floating over 350, no natural expansion, I knew what was about to go down.

Starcraft is deep enough that players can sometimes win games through mostly tricks and mindgames. I honestly really admire that aspect of competition. But in the round of 8 of an ASL, it just isn't enough. Congrats to Mini!



Yeah his mindgames and prep were really impressive in the Ro24/Ro16. What's weird to me is that his mechanics seems pretty close to par in his game vs snow (generally competent micro/macro), but looked really sloppy vs mini. Maybe mini used openings calm wasn't expecting, or just knew that being aggressive in the early game was enough to off-set calm's focus.

In 2009-2010 Calm was a fantastic player who had pretty good mechanics (not THE BEST but still on-par with most pro zergs) and great preparation and strategies. Now his mechanics are just so far behind he doesn't stand a chance vs a top player in a Bo5. It was honestly impressive that he won that first game vs mini haha.
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