On May 24 2007 12:23 TricKy_boy wrote: hmmm i want to know why you give the edge to flash over savior :O?
It has nothing to do with I underestimate sAviOr, I know he is scary gosu, but Flash is a newcomer and really hot at the moment. I just bet on him because I wish him best of luck.
3/4 spots on Monghwan will give Savior the best possible map for his ZvT imo. Definitely will be a hard fight for Flash. Wish this was on earlier im not gonna stay up and watch: [
Iris will not automatically advance if he wins, but is definitely eliminated if he loses. Only the players currently 1-0 (Savior, Bisu, Shark, Up) will advance automatically if they win; DarkElf, Iris, and Stork are automatically eliminated if they lose.
On May 24 2007 12:52 GrandInquisitor wrote: Iris will not automatically advance if he wins, but is definitely eliminated if he loses. Only the players currently 1-0 (Savior, Bisu, Shark, Up) will advance automatically if they win; DarkElf, Iris, and Stork are automatically eliminated if they lose.
Should Flash also be on that list of auto-advances?
Basically, if those five players win, they'll be at worst 2-1. If those 3 players lose, they'll be at best 1-2. 2-1s all advance, 1-2s all drop. I don't think there will need to be tiebreakers.
2 wins doesn't mean a player advances, just like 2 losses doesn't mean a player is out. We can have either 2-1 2-1 2-1 0-3 or 3-0 1-2 1-2 1-2. Unless the system changed.
I don't think anyone can already be qualified/out after tonight's games but I'm not sure, too tired to check the standings and all.
On May 24 2007 12:52 GrandInquisitor wrote: Iris will not automatically advance if he wins, but is definitely eliminated if he loses. Only the players currently 1-0 (Savior, Bisu, Shark, Up) will advance automatically if they win; DarkElf, Iris, and Stork are automatically eliminated if they lose.
How can that be if its Game 3?-_-
It's not game three, it's week three. Savior played week one but not week two for example. Or do you mean they can go 1-2 and still advance? That might be true, haven't kept up with results enough.
flash is undefeated so far for all his matches. only like 6 games. but still being a new commer and winning all the games. not to mention how easily he won all of them. but then again its savior.his ZvT is fucking godly. Defiler= savior wins. i think it can go either way.but i voted for savior bc i want savior to win. my fav zerg player.
On May 24 2007 15:35 WiSaGaN wrote: Yes, a promising young player (maybe the youngest?) by.flash,the currently best player savior. and an entertaining map, fantasy.
It has every reason that this match would be exciting.
edit:In fact,REACH mentioned by.flash as "one of the best".
I was watching some TvZ reps of flash recently and his TvZ style is a lot like nada's. Macro based builds that quickly become extremely aggressive with tight micro. You can definitely see where he gets the nickname. That being said I expect savior to win, possibly raping him. Flash has been doing really well recently but I think against an opponent like Savior nerves will get the better of him. He has the skills though
Savior > By.Flash Flash is looking strong atm, but i think he has no experience against such a monsters like savior.
Bisu > Darkelf EZ. Bisu is a beast, after watching him beating nada last their 3-4 games made me think so.
Iris > Shark Iris is on a roll recently (6 months or so), and shark isn't enough skilled to win today.
Upmagic > Stork Hard to predict. My opinion is based on a map. It's very tough to win a PvT on HH without cheesing, and every T expecting any proxies now. The only way Stork can beat Up is if he can pull out a reach.
Btw, i would be very happy if flash and stork win today.
Flash over sAviOr for previously mentioned reasons.
Darkelf over Bisu. Both are showing good form, but Darkelf has more consistency. Bisu's killing NaDa with such ease it's crazy, but he's also 0-5 in ProLeague.
Shark over Iris. Iris has been slipping a bit lately, and Shark has shown some competence in ZvT lategame [which was what was hindering him]
Stork over Upmagic. HH actually has good win % for P; Protosses have figured out how to play the map after a few textbook demonstrations by Pusan. Also, Stork is just a beast. Totally RAPED goodfriend on HH.
edit: Naruto made this one, not me. ^^; so props go to him.
On May 24 2007 15:35 WiSaGaN wrote: Yes, a promising young player (maybe the youngest?) by.flash,the currently best player savior. and an entertaining map, fantasy.
It has every reason that this match would be exciting.
edit:In fact,REACH mentioned by.flash as "one of the best".
yes. flash broke the record for youngest player(it was sea shield b4 that) to make it to star league. Reach mentioned that he has never seen a player who got good at sc so fast. he said that flash doesnt even know the map guillotine.
I like flash OK, but Ma better win. This is just the confidence-booster-upper that he needs. But even if he doesn't win, I believe in him, didn't he barely get out of one of the group stages last season (don't remember if it was msl or osl)?
I have no idea why so many people think Flash stands a chance :-) sAviOr will destroy Flash, burn him to the ground, all his remains will vanish, Flash will be no more. It will, without a doubt, be the most one sided game of the week :-)
Didn't need a bunker. Flash should've pulled a few scvs to block his marines the moment he saw so many lings coming out. Also, he had a medic that had come out but it was just wandering around trying to get down to the rally point (below the ramp) rather than healing the last remaining marine at the top of the ramp against the only two lings that made it through the scv block. He could've defended a lot better. Too much hype.
On May 25 2007 02:52 s4life wrote: Wow, that was anticlimatic.. I guess Savior is back?
when was he ever gone... too many people dismiss him readily and others still accept him as being "back" so quickly.
sighs.
Well, you must admit he wasn't playing up to scratch. Not in terms of winning percentage, just that he looked tired and his timing was a little off. Too many publicity matches would be my guess.
On May 25 2007 02:59 kewlsunman wrote: Didn't need a bunker. Flash should've pulled a few scvs to block his marines the moment he saw so many lings coming out. Also, he had a medic that had come out but it was just wandering around trying to get down to the rally point (below the ramp) rather than healing the last remaining marine at the top of the ramp against the only two lings that made it through the scv block. He could've defended a lot better. Too much hype.
the whole point of savior's awesome ling timing and hold position deception was that flash was just shown slow zerglings like a second before his marines were getting raped. flash would've been safe if the lings were still slow for another 2 seconds
O_O darkelf trying to push a scv through into bisu's main with depot, and it works. That's actually surprisingly rare on this map I believe.
Bisu has maynarded to his nat, scv in bisus' main buidls a depot blocking the mineral wall opening. while 4 probes and 1 goon kill that depot, a vult gets 1 probe kill.
same vult come into main and fires like 5 shots, but doesnt get any probe kills before goon kills it off
bisu lays a mine in teh left nat, then moves into bisu's main with dropship, vults lay a few mines towards the bottom of map, get 1 or 2 probe kills, but goons come.
very minimal damage to bisu.
2 vults dropped into busu's nat, 2 probe kills, although a mine almost went off on goon + probe
wow that was pretty gosu on both sides; darkelf walls off bisu's mined out patch to separate his nexus and main while sending a vulture to harass the undefended expo. bisu builds a pylon that prevents the vulture to getting to his probes for a precious instant, saving him probably 4-5 probes
darkelf with abotu 1/2 group fo tank and 1/2 group of vult in hsi main.
4 dts dropped in darkelf's nat, vults comeand... i have no idea how many died, fi at all before picked up by shuttle again, redropped in the main, 1 dt dies tehre to vult.
shuttle is red hp after being hit by turret at nat
bisu combats this attack with zeal goon and 2 storms, all tanks are very low hp now, and now bisu comes in with a FUCK TON of goons, obliterates darkelf's remaining tanks even across mineral wall
shark doesnt have lurkers yet, not even mprhping. looks liek he gives up on the 11 expo, goes to main with muta ling, 2 tanks on main cliff, mutas get 1 down to red hp but both still alive.
shark does kill the portbuilding scv, delaying vessle.
iris's mnm that killed shark's 11 is in middle of map, decides to run into shark's nat now. ripping though the sunk, hsark pulls back the lurker muta ling to kill this attack.
iris is ready with another 2 groups of mnm, 3 tanks.
scans and chases away 2 lrukers left in front of nat
On May 25 2007 03:56 nova_442 wrote: Maybe Shark did what I always seem to do and misclick the lurk upgrade.
you can't misclick the L key
If you have <resources and click the L it does nothing. I have made several games very hard on myself by making this mistake while controlling the mutalisks. You get the message for that though. I imagine it would be just as easy to hit k or something weird. I try to remember to hotkey the den because of this problem, I'm surprised it caught a progamer though.
GG :-) 4/4 70 people voted Flash, 41 voted Darkelf... Bisu and sAviOr are almost safe to advance! :-) this will be a great OSL. I'm glad Stork won, gives Casy a much better chance now.
Heh.. "Stork is the shit" means "Stork rocks" or something to the same effect 4/4 as well but those weren't exactly bold bets.. Guybrush on the other hand if you're 0/4 - means you like underdogs!
On May 25 2007 19:52 Raist wrote: flash really let me down to lose so badly to the only obvious counter to that fe build
Yup.
The Iris/Silver game was basically the same, except Iris scouted properly and noticed the lings coming. To be honest, I didn't even think Iris protected himself that well against the lings (a better TvZ terran would've done better) but he won so I guess I shouldn't rip on him.
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