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ASL5 Ro24 Groups Revealed. Dates: 3/11-13-18-20-25-27
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sc19980331
China1609 Posts
Afreeca Starleague Season 5Stream: http://play.afreecatv.com/afstar1 http://www.afreecatv.com/aslenglish3 Map pool: Sparkle download Transistor https://starleague.kr/asset/map/(4)Gladiator_1.1.zip Groups:
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sc19980331
China1609 Posts
Group A Shuttle vs Sky @Sparkle Shine vs Light @Sparkle WB @Transistor LB @Transistor Decider @Gladiator | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
However, while at that time he seemed shaky, ever since being back from the qualifiers he seems to be more self-confident so I hope he won't have a problem this time beating out Guemchi and Horang2. Edit: Oh, Guemchi was in that group actually in ASL3. Time for revenge, Commander!!! | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
I can imagine more than two players finishing in advancing position in groups A, B, D, E, F. Group C is the only one where I would wager without hesitation that Best and Mind will go through. (Although I guess Rush will try to take revenge for that hour long Fighting Spirit decider they played with Mind last season.) | ||
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sc19980331
China1609 Posts
On March 01 2018 18:50 PVJ wrote: I remember when Stork crashed out in a similar group (1 Z, 3 P) in ASL3 Ro24 -- losing to Pusan and another toss, if I recall correctly... However, while at that time he seemed shaky, ever since being back from the qualifiers he seems to be more self-confident so I hope he won't have a problem this time beating out Guemchi and Horang2. Stork will make it with power of love like what happened in Busan :-) | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On March 01 2018 18:56 sc19980331 wrote: Stork will make it with power of love like what happened in Busan :-) ![[image loading]](http://stimg.afreecatv.com/NORMAL_BBS/0/6329210/48045a92c15ee6bc7.gif) I just watched this yesterday, it was very heartwarming to see. Obviously that should help a lot. I don't want to derail the thread though so here's something else: How's Movie's form? I didn't see his qualifying run but if he's in a not-bad form the group might be hard for JD. | ||
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RWLabs
Korea (South)273 Posts
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rotta
5596 Posts
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sc19980331
China1609 Posts
On March 01 2018 19:08 RWLabs wrote: Why are the tiers not 1-4 but 1,3,2,4? Tiers decided by past ASL results, so Sharp in Tier 1, Action in Tier 4. ![[image loading]](http://stimg.afreecatv.com/NORMAL_BBS/7/15524207/75895a97a8f8748b1.PNG) | ||
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sc19980331
China1609 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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ortseam
996 Posts
Predictions Group A: Shuttle, Light Group B: Effort, Stork Group C: Best, Rush Group D: Last, Snow Group E: Mini, Soulkey Group F: Sea, Jaedong | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
Group A: Shine, Shuttle Group B: Effort, Stork Group C: Best, Mind Group D: Last, Mong Group E: Soulkey, Sharp Group F: Jaedong, Sea At least Sparkle is not final map xD | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On March 02 2018 00:24 Alpha-NP- wrote: I see every Zerg losing their first game in the ro24. And I am not exaggerating. I honestly think the ro24 is going to be a disaster for Zerg. They'll have to play the game of their life to win, and you can't pull off miracle wins but 1% of the time. This is interesting to check out: Shine v Light -- I think if someone Shine can figure out a strat that beats Terran. And Light's TvZ is not the one we got to know in the pro days. Even with the map imbalance I'd give Shine 33%. Effort v Horang2 -- This is hard. Effort has been losing on Sparkle left-right as far as I can see it, especially against P. Still, Effort is Effort and he thrives in chaos, so I would give him at least 15%. Calm v Best -- Probably this is the 1% match, even though Best's vZ is not as strong just pure skill difference and the amount they've been playing makes me think this is almost impossible for Calm. Soulkey v Mini -- Mini has been great! With that said on the big stage he never performed like on stream where as SK is quite the opposite. I don't know what percentage I'd give but definitely above 5. Jaedong v Movie -- I think Jaedong has at least 33% here as well. His perseverance always helped him out in impossible situations and I haven't seen Movie play for at least half a year. He might suck, regardless of what the map is. So while I agree with your general sentiment, I think giving literally 1% without exaggeration is a tad bit too much. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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RJGooner
United States2076 Posts
Group B: Effort, Stork Group C: Mind, Best Group D: Snow, Last Group E: Soulkey, Sharp Group F: Jaedong, Movie | ||
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asongdotnet
United States1060 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On March 02 2018 03:43 asongdotnet wrote: Hoping the tournament bleeds into early to mid May as I'll be in Korea! You are in luck. The final is scheduled for May 20. I had the extreme luck to be there when the SSL9 finals happened and it was something I'll never forget. If you can, I definitely recommend you go to as many matches as possible! Have fun. | ||
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Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
 . Would have liked to see some ZvZ Hive action. | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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utelektr
United States109 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19299 Posts
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Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
On March 02 2018 07:28 utelektr wrote: Are there only 3 maps for the whole tournament? Seriously? Did you not check the previous ASL formats? Seriously? | ||
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Ikirouta
Finland736 Posts
Group B: effort, Stork Group C: Best, Mind Group D: Snow, Mong Group E: Mini, Soulkey Group F: Pusan, Jaedong | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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Sokokrey
74 Posts
On March 02 2018 11:24 Alpha-NP- wrote: I think people are making their predictions while forgetting the ro24 has island maps. Are u kiddin?? Island maps??? YEAAAH THANK YOU AFREECA!!! | ||
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Miragee
8602 Posts
On March 01 2018 23:32 ortseam wrote: ^Iammang is Guemchi, he has been using this ID in ASL. Predictions Group A: Shuttle, Light Group B: Effort, Stork Group C: Best, Rush Group D: Last, Snow Group E: Mini, Soulkey Group F: Sea, Jaedong I would predict the same, with Guemchi in B and Mind in C to have even chances to advance instead of Stork and Rush. However, with Sparkle, I can see Soulkey and Jaedong dropping out. For Soulkey it's ZvP on Sparkle then ZvZ so... For Jaedong it's a bit easier because he will probably face Pusan in the Decider again - or might even make it happen on Sparkle, who knows. Pusan is not that strong. | ||
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Prebstah
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Pleasuremann
20 Posts
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Miragee
8602 Posts
On March 02 2018 16:11 Pleasuremann wrote: Sorry if this question sounds dumb, but how does this all work out for the next round? 12 advance here, right? Then the top 8 are seeded from last season? Does that give us 20? Top4 is seeded which gives us 16. 4 groups with 4 players each. | ||
GTR
51501 Posts
On March 02 2018 12:49 Prebstah wrote: Still no news regarding english-speaking casters? always has been and will be tastosis unless schedules conflict. dunno why people are asking who they are when it's not going to change for the foreseeable future | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6782 Posts
On March 02 2018 19:29 GTR wrote: always has been and will be tastosis unless schedules conflict. dunno why people are asking who they are when it's not going to change for the foreseeable future i will like to see Janus China casting the ASL ^^ | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1712 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6782 Posts
On March 02 2018 19:40 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: Who's replacing bisu in seeded place? rain was the winner of the wildcard. | ||
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Ubersturmfuhrer
Finland206 Posts
Group A: Shuttle Light Group B: Stork IamMang Group C: Best Rush Group D: Last Snow Group E: Sharp Soulkey Group F: Sea Movie | ||
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Fujikura
United States337 Posts
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Miragee
8602 Posts
On March 03 2018 07:29 Fujikura wrote: Group D isnt "Where" I believe that's Miso? Same person afaik. Where was his ID during the Kespa era. | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
Group A: Shuttle Shine Group B: Stork Effort Group C: Best Calm Group D: Mong Snow Group E: Mini Soulkey Group F: Sea Jaedong | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1712 Posts
thanks. that's cool! rain should do well! although... no more bromance between flash and rain during group selection hehe  | ||
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Stax736
United States119 Posts
On March 02 2018 01:57 PVJ wrote: Jaedong v Movie -- I think Jaedong has at least 33% here as well. His perseverance always helped him out in impossible situations and I haven't seen Movie play for at least half a year. He might suck, regardless of what the map is. So while I agree with your general sentiment, I think giving literally 1% without exaggeration is a tad bit too much. Do you know why Movie hasn't been playing/streaming? | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On March 05 2018 17:49 Stax736 wrote: Do you know why Movie hasn't been playing/streaming? No, sadly, I don't have any idea and I haven't been following his stream/life before so I don't know what might have happened. I just noticed end of last year that he didn't upload any new content to his YT anymore (https://www.youtube.com/user/JmoviestarTV/videos) and that he also didn't manage to participate in ASL4. Still, it's of course great to see him qualify and I hope he won't suck. I wish him no bad. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6782 Posts
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
On March 07 2018 06:05 ]343[ wrote: Sparkle is an island map, right? How have matches been looking on it / how's the racial balance? People will try to argue it is different because of new map edits, but Zerg has been only winning 30% of all games. | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
On March 07 2018 08:21 Alpha-NP- wrote: People will try to argue it is different because of new map edits, but Zerg has been only winning 30% of all games. Zerg is at late game that so weak, special is air units. But first game and mid game, Zerg can use everything to win, this is easier than Terran and Protoss. My view is Protoss > Terran > Zerg on the Sparkle map. But I believe that 50% Zerg players are still through Ro24. | ||
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portaljester
United States6 Posts
On March 07 2018 11:01 bovienchien wrote: Zerg is at late game that so weak, special is air units. But first game and mid game, Zerg can use everything to win, this is easier than Terran and Protoss. My view is Protoss > Terran > Zerg on the Sparkle map. But I believe that 50% Zerg players are still through Ro24. Zerg hive tech is amazing vs toss air. Have you seen sairs vs devourers? And let's not mention plague. New sparkle is a good zerg map, only a few days away i am excited for asl | ||
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Nematocyst
United States164 Posts
On March 07 2018 11:43 portaljester wrote: Zerg hive tech is amazing vs toss air. Have you seen sairs vs devourers? And let's not mention plague. This is what I keep thinking. Except I've watched several massive devourer balls get obliterated by sairs. I keep thinking, "You're supposed to have a few devourers, and back it up with a ton of mutas." But since the top zergs in the world haven't been doing that, I conclude they know something I don't. Devourers have an absurdly slow attack speed. If you get opponents covered in lots of purple goo, though, mutas just melt whatever it is. I saw JD employ this strat successfully once. It won, but wasn't as effective as I had been thinking. But it looked like he had too many devs and not enough mutas. He separated the mutas. I suppose this is wise against 20+sairs. Clearly a pain to do. | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
I don't understand Acid Spores of Devourer. Anyone explains it for me, please. My strategies for Zerg players who will be against Terran and Protoss on the Sparkle map, at the ASL5 Zerg vs Terran Because of Air units of Terran are very strong whole game. Zerg should control map and getting win by economic. With Sunken Colony and Spore Colony at first game and then Defiler, Hydralisk, Lurker at mid game. Late game, Zerg is just mass Mutalisk to end game. Of course, Zerg takes win game. Zerg vs Protoss Because of Corsair unit of Protoss is the their key. I choose Hydralisks to fight with them. It will look like Zerg vs Terran, Zerg will be win by economic. Zerg control almost the map and defend it with Hydralisks and Defiler. Zerg will difficult to dropping into Protoss' base but It's easier than when Zerg drop others one. Zerg need to mass Devourer and Guardian to take win Protoss players. | ||
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Nematocyst
United States164 Posts
On March 07 2018 16:13 bovienchien wrote: I don't understand Acid Spores of Devourer. See Devourer The spores increase damage the unit takes, typically from hydras and mutas. Compare the damage output from a mutalisk after ricochet. 9-3-1, vs 18-12-10 to a maximally soaked unit. Spores also reveal cloaked units and slightly increase cooldown. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
Cheers bovienchien, ASL5 will be epic. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4139 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On March 07 2018 06:05 ]343[ wrote: Sparkle is an island map, right? How have matches been looking on it / how's the racial balance? Yes, it's an island map. It has had several revisions because the early versions were seen as Zerg graveyards. The current version is more favorable for Zerg because a center island that formerly contained two vespene geysers, which Terran or Protoss always claimed, has been removed. The jury is still out on whether the map is balanced. Recently, on Jaedong's YouTube channel, + Show Spoiler + he beat Rain 2-1 and Shuttle 2-0, with all games on the new version, and looked good doing it. Personally, I'm cautiously optimistic, although I think it's really inelegant that there's a geyser that literally only Zergs can build on. | ||
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
And the island map is hype! Although it's a shame for the zergs. Zergs struggled so much on island maps, and sair reaver is pretty op. Is random or race picking allowed these days? | ||
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Nematocyst
United States164 Posts
Too bad, I'd like to see him and some of that bunch go far. Also the group he's in.. Best, Mind, Rush.. he's not getting out of that group without preparing. | ||
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GTR
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funnybananaman
United States830 Posts
Need to sticky threads like this in "other games" or make a full remastered tab for the forum. Bw and Remastered are not the same thing. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4139 Posts
On March 08 2018 12:20 funnybananaman wrote: Why the fuck is ASL 5 in starcraft Remastered? and why would it be in the BW tourneys section if it is? Need to sticky threads like this in "other games" or make a full remastered tab for the forum. Bw and Remastered are not the same thing. Why is it not the same thing, you can press f5 in game to switch instantly. | ||
EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
Either way, I'm super excited! Updates: http://twitter.com/EsportsJohn Stream: http://www.afreecatv.com/aslenglish3 | ||
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Miragee
8602 Posts
On March 08 2018 18:58 EsportsJohn wrote: Happy to announce that Afreeca is allowing me cast the ASL5 again! Unfortunately, FlashFTW will be out of commission for this one due to school and IRL stuff. I'll still be streaming on Afreeca, but I'm continually plying the Afreeca team to expand their streaming, so...maybe next season we'll get it on Twitch. Either way, I'm super excited! Updates: http://twitter.com/EsportsJohn Stream: http://www.afreecatv.com/aslenglish3 Maybe try to get Alm on board? He did some casting for afreeca based stuff recently. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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Wonk
546 Posts
On March 09 2018 10:46 Greg_J wrote: I'm trying too not get too excited as the combination of my schools internet (I live in school dorms because things are going well for me in my 30's) and Afreeca made it almost unwatchable last time round. But hell I'm going to try and watch. I hear you, I had to watch the last season on my phone internet in the middle of nowhere. Did you try the VLC streammate workaround? That seems to improve the connection for a lot of people. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/512913-guide-watch-afreeca-sc-bw-streams-with-vlc | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
On March 08 2018 08:31 Nematocyst wrote: Calm isn't taking ASL very seriously, at least not on his stream. He has grown his stream in the last few months, but every time I check in he's playing random on a UMS map that can't help him prepare. Seems to be having a blast and that's great, but I doubt Calm and those he's constantly playing with will do very well in ASL. Too bad, I'd like to see him and some of that bunch go far. Also the group he's in.. Best, Mind, Rush.. he's not getting out of that group without preparing. I think that is his strategy. There are two cases: If he will be eliminated, it's fine so He didn't train seriously. If he will advance to Ro16. Yeah, It's exactly he trained seriously and hide it for everyone. Even though any cases will happen, he always is who wins. Calm's group: Best and Calm will advance. Because of Rush is so weak, even if He gets advantage in the game, he won't be also know how to finish the game with a win game (1 2 for Rush). Mind will lose to Rush in the TvT match and then lose in the next game with Best or Calm. It's easy to guess (0 2 for Mind). | ||
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Miragee
8602 Posts
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
On March 09 2018 16:55 Miragee wrote: Rush weak? Rush is probably on the same level as Mind atm. if not better. Calm looked considerably more shaky than Rush in the qualifiers. IIrc Rush took down Soulkey 2-0 and it was actually quite one-sided... Rush hasn't desire to win. Let's look at difference from Flash and Rush. Rush is depressed quickly when he is disadvantage and don't know how to win when he has advantage (do you remember to match his TvT with Mind?). | ||
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Incomplete..ReV
Norway637 Posts
He was my first, and he was gentle. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On March 09 2018 17:13 bovienchien wrote: Rush hasn't desire to win. Let's look at difference from Flash and Rush. Rush is depressed quickly when he is disadvantage and don't know how to win when he has advantage (do you remember to match his TvT with Mind?). First you say Mind is not a contender for the group as Rush will beat him but now you mention Rush's lacking mental fortitude with an example where he was outplayed by Mind. Why do you think Rush would beat Mind this time around then? | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
First you say Mind is not a contender for the group as Rush will beat him but now you mention Rush's lacking mental fortitude with an example where he was outplayed by Mind. Why do you think Rush would beat Mind this time around then? Rush has been training so much TvT games with Flash, Sharp and Mong. Although he was not good at this matchup TvT, but I believe that he will be win Mind. | ||
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Nematocyst
United States164 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + he's in Group C | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
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Moobutt
United States1996 Posts
Given that the maps are published in advance, does this lend itself towards some players developing hyper specific timing strategies? For instance, Light/Shine already know they have to prepare to play a Protoss on their second map regardless of winning/losing. Or is the predilection for standard play more "meta" right now? Thanks from an old SC2 and new-ish BW fan! | ||
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Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
On March 10 2018 13:11 Moobutt wrote: I believe I'm reading this right, Ro24 and Ro16 is Bo1 double elim groups like Code S? Given that the maps are published in advance, does this lend itself towards some players developing hyper specific timing strategies? For instance, Light/Shine already know they have to prepare to play a Protoss on their second map regardless of winning/losing. Or is the predilection for standard play more "meta" right now? Thanks from an old SC2 and new-ish BW fan! Specific builds are highly likely given the unorthodox maps, especially for someone like Shine. | ||
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RAPiDCasting
Korea (South)594 Posts
On March 08 2018 18:58 EsportsJohn wrote: Happy to announce that Afreeca is allowing me cast the ASL5 again! Unfortunately, FlashFTW will be out of commission for this one due to school and IRL stuff. I'll still be streaming on Afreeca, but I'm continually plying the Afreeca team to expand their streaming, so...maybe next season we'll get it on Twitch. Either way, I'm super excited! Updates: http://twitter.com/EsportsJohn Stream: http://www.afreecatv.com/aslenglish3 "Plying?" Broadcasting rights deals have nothing to do with 3rd party influence. | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On March 10 2018 19:56 rapidtransit247 wrote: "Plying?" Broadcasting rights deals have nothing to do with 3rd party influence. Why you gotta kill the dream, Rapid? I'm just trying to give them hope! Update: https://twitter.com/EsportsJohn/status/972459514388779011?s=19 | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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sharkicide
1 Post
Usually they upload them to afreeca's youtube right? | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On March 11 2018 03:54 sharkicide wrote: Where can I watch the VODS from today's matches? (March 10) Usually they upload them to afreeca's youtube right? They haven't played yet. Check the "Upcoming Events" section on the right side of TL. | ||
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Sombre
United Kingdom86 Posts
Is there any way to reach out to the ASL organisers to talk to them about this? | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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Miragee
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