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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
December 24 2011 07:02 GMT
#841
shuttle saved!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
December 24 2011 07:03 GMT
#842
scourge in tyson's base following around a shuttle but they die before getting it. a new scourge hits it once. simcity on the 3rd and the nat for effort
S-Class
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (North)665 Posts
December 24 2011 07:03 GMT
#843
Effort saw Dropship
sh4w
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States713 Posts
December 24 2011 07:03 GMT
#844
On December 24 2011 16:01 Sayle wrote:
This camera guy is trollin me hard... Puts camera on my sign for another minute but not shown on screen TT

Sayle you have to do something CRAZY so they put you on camera
I want to go back to being weird. I like being weird. Weird is all I've got. That and my sweet style.
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
December 24 2011 07:03 GMT
#845
Shuttle takes one scourge hit
Creep colonys being added to all of the expos
Hydra den is out
3 gates being added, 4 total
Scourge moving around the back, trying to get a hit off, but get killed
Templar tech is out
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
December 24 2011 07:03 GMT
#846
Was gonna go to sleep but damn...... I'll watch EffOrt anyday!
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
December 24 2011 07:04 GMT
#847
On December 24 2011 15:48 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 15:07 kuroshiroi wrote:
On December 24 2011 15:04 Harem wrote:
On December 24 2011 14:57 kuroshiroi wrote:
On December 24 2011 14:54 Harem wrote:
On December 24 2011 14:52 kuroshiroi wrote:
On December 24 2011 14:51 Uldridge wrote:
On December 24 2011 14:48 kingalexxx wrote:
On December 24 2011 14:44 Navi wrote:
idk why people think JD was being greedy
snow just hit at the perfect time ( as the lurkers were being morphed and right before his observers formed)
and won because of it
if he tried to wait for his obs, he couldn't have gotten past those lurkers and sunkens and would have been overwhelmed by jd's macro
but he crushed

Exactly this ^
I wouldn't say Jaedong played a bad game. It's just that Snow was really on his game today. First the DT, then chipping away the mutas' hp with sair/archon and then finally a well-timed push into Jaedong's expansion. Snow once again showed us his impressive PvZ just like he did during the bo5 against Jaedong in the MSL.


Oh, and obviously you missed the fact that he completely did not make any units and went for the 4th base practically right after he had taken his 3rd.

And mutas! Only mutas doesn't work against competent P players. Unless it's a muta rush or something.

......

You can't be serious.

It's a trend in JD's game. Mutas and early fourths kill him. All the time.

No, it's decision-making and mis-reads that kills him. Also, over-aggression. (See JD vs Snow on Circuit for example when he doesn't even open "muta" or "6hat")

Not early 4th, mutas, greed whatever you want to call it.

What? That's semantics at best. His decision making is leading him to doing mutas and early 4ths and no units.

5hat muta/scourge +1 flyer cara with later 4th and 6hat4base +1 flyer cara are two of the best openings zvp with a variety of sub-systems. Blaming JD's loss just because of them is like blaming a zerg for going 3hat muta in zvt when he overlings while suspecting 5rax so he dies in later game or having nydus canal in siege tank range when T does 3tank1vessel.

JD didn't lose to Horang2 because he went mutas. He lost because of how he used them. There was no reason to do what he did and he paid the price.

The "builds" are fine. People are just upset that he has lost when it's his fault and not the "build" which leads to a lot of ignorance in threads ie greed/no units. This can happen with any build. If Flash goes 3rax before ebay to deny third but doesn't scan zerg drone count and he dies to 2base allin, then are you going to blame build? No, because that would be Flash's fault for not scanning.

Some of his "losses" were already decided before he even made a single muta as well ie vs Bisu on La Mancha when he made critical mistake of trying a runby when that is the last thing you should ever be doing 6hat as you really can't afford to remake zerglings like that and it just snowballed from there. (rallied zealots to each base does too much damage, has to spend larva on zerglings that should be drones which delays spire, random speedzealot counter into main that does lots of damage and distracts him from getting spore in time for dt at third etc.)

And yet he loses pretty much every time he goes for early fourth + muta first? You know way more about the game than I do but I really can't agree with what you're saying since JD keeps losing like this. His build must work in practice (and therefore he probably thinks it's fine) but he keeps losing in televised games. Hiya said it best, "televised games are different" (and then he made some comment about 4rax not working so he needs to do 5rax instead) and JD is not accounting for that. Therefore the build is probably not the best build for the job. It's far too unstable if it relies on perfect muta control + not stacking lurkers + sniping observers + some other stuff. He's making it way too difficult for himself.

I can't remember the last time he lost with a 3 base scourge + hydra first build (excepting Bisu games and all-ins).

But I'm probably wrong and I don't know enough to debate this at a high enough level so I'll just stop talking now.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Shurayuki
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2665 Posts
December 24 2011 07:04 GMT
#848
On December 24 2011 16:01 Sayle wrote:
This camera guy is trollin me hard... Puts camera on my sign for another minute but not shown on screen TT


You have to do something drastic! Like eat a sandwich, worked for the other guys! You have to pretend you don't want to be on screen!
なまいきになんなよ~ Don't be too stakka~ ☆ SKT Harlequin ☆ n.Die_soO Hoppin You ♪ 愛 am BeSt ♪ ワイフ♥小早川りんこ
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
December 24 2011 07:04 GMT
#849
effort building a 4th at 1:30 right under the nose of tyson's sairs. he is tempting tyson's shuttle out and it DIES to scourge
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
December 24 2011 07:04 GMT
#850
effort getting his 4th against 2 base toss. SHUTTLE DOWN YES!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
December 24 2011 07:04 GMT
#851
pop goes the shuttle.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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HighTemper
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada3867 Posts
December 24 2011 07:04 GMT
#852
Shuttle SCOURGED!!

Alien sense.
"Issue the orders Sir [JangBi], and I will storm Hell." - Anthony Wayne
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4768 Posts
December 24 2011 07:04 GMT
#853
That was the most obvious shuttle movement ever..
Taxes are for Terrans
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
December 24 2011 07:04 GMT
#854
shuttle sniped

go effort!
ace hwaiting!!
S-Class
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (North)665 Posts
December 24 2011 07:04 GMT
#855
Tyson could collect sairs here. Effort is commiting to ground, and that is Tysons ONLY window
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
December 24 2011 07:04 GMT
#856
4th expo for Effort at the 1 oclock main
Slow shuttle moving out, GETS SNIPED, as does a sair
Captain Effort <3
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
December 24 2011 07:04 GMT
#857
ahhhhhhhhhh shuttle
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
December 24 2011 07:04 GMT
#858
effort please change ur hair back
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Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
December 24 2011 07:04 GMT
#859
I feel sorry for that shuttle, it stood no chance against the scourge.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-24 07:05:08
December 24 2011 07:05 GMT
#860
jaehoon should have protected that shuttle with his sairs. wtf
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