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Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
April 24 2011 05:59 GMT
#621
Wasn't there last game (when JD AK'd) 9pool vs 12hatch but it was great who 9pooled?
Jaedong and Baby
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
April 24 2011 05:59 GMT
#622
Here is how you're supposed to 9pool and scout on a 4player map.
☺
e_i_pi_1_0
Profile Joined September 2009
933 Posts
April 24 2011 05:59 GMT
#623
On April 24 2011 14:59 Yxes2211 wrote:
Wasn't there last game (when JD AK'd) 9pool vs 12hatch but it was great who 9pooled?

I think it was the other way around that time.
Jaedong and Hwaseung Oz fan.
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
April 24 2011 06:00 GMT
#624
why did jaedong send his lings cross positions first anyways? that just seems like a terrible idea
pylonsalad
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada649 Posts
April 24 2011 06:00 GMT
#625
On April 24 2011 14:56 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 14:55 Trizz wrote:
That's zvz, coinflip MU.

Jaedong won the coin flip


Scout-order loss.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
April 24 2011 06:00 GMT
#626
On April 24 2011 14:58 radialis wrote:
there are more coinflips in zvz than just the build order


pretty much summed up
Hey! Listen!
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
April 24 2011 06:00 GMT
#627
On April 24 2011 15:00 iamho wrote:
why did jaedong send his lings cross positions first anyways? that just seems like a terrible idea

JD probably had brain farts or something. Worse decision making than his game vs Hogil
☺
loveeholicce
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Korea (South)785 Posts
April 24 2011 06:01 GMT
#628
On April 24 2011 14:57 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 14:56 loveeholicce wrote:
On April 24 2011 14:54 Release wrote:
On April 24 2011 14:54 Lucumo wrote:
On April 24 2011 14:51 Release wrote:
JD just played some of the worst ZvZ i've ever seen

Only his decision-making wasn't good, his control was awesome.

They say it's all micro, but when you suck that bad at scouting, it's just bad


LOL u cant be serious now

I am, Usually, one of the six lings scouts the close position while the other five move between the two unscouted bases. He moved all six to cross.

look at Jaedong vs Flash ace match long time ago, when flash 14cc.


You can't scout in ZvZ, a drone scout leaves u behind. All you do is send ur overlord and hope for the best. It was a cinflip and jaedong lost it. He went 9 pool so it would be silly to split the lings up since u gotta do damage no matter wat. That 1 ling makes a huge difference with such low econs that early into the game so even if he scouted correctly with the 5 lings his rush wouldn't have the same power. If he scouted wrong with that 1 zergling then it really wouldn't matter cause theres nothing u can do, u have to wait for the other 5 zerglings to come back anyway. A lot of it comes down to luck, and its a little silly to bank on a 9 pool on a big 4 player map but saying "his scouting was bad" is completely ridiculous. Do u even play the game? Have you ever played a ZvZ?
상처받은 그대에 가슴에 사랑을 심어줄께요♥
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4747 Posts
April 24 2011 06:01 GMT
#629
On April 24 2011 14:56 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 14:55 Trizz wrote:
That's zvz, coinflip MU.

Jaedong won the coin flip


Well the BO-win turned into a BO-loss within a matter of seconds, stupid scouting.
But 9pool with lair before ling-speed is probably my least favourite zvz-build.

Well, shit happens.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5600 Posts
April 24 2011 06:01 GMT
#630
On April 24 2011 14:59 Release wrote:
Here is how you're supposed to 9pool and scout on a 4player map.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlXBq_QlYMs

Are you trolling or something? Jaedong just sent his first overlord in the right direction in that game.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 06:03:01
April 24 2011 06:01 GMT
#631
On April 24 2011 15:00 pylonsalad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 14:56 Release wrote:
On April 24 2011 14:55 Trizz wrote:
That's zvz, coinflip MU.

Jaedong won the coin flip


Scout-order loss.

do you people not realise great scouted wrong as well?

Edit: shit happens in zvz as malinor said.
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
April 24 2011 06:02 GMT
#632
On April 24 2011 15:01 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 15:00 pylonsalad wrote:
On April 24 2011 14:56 Release wrote:
On April 24 2011 14:55 Trizz wrote:
That's zvz, coinflip MU.

Jaedong won the coin flip


Scout-order loss.

do you people not realise great scouted wrong as well?


why would it matter? when you 12 hatch you defend with your first few lings, regardless of you're opponents build
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
April 24 2011 06:02 GMT
#633
I don't understand how anyone can say Jaedong played badly. His ling micro (especially at the ramp) and drone micro was excellent. He just got really unlucky with the scouting. Generally, players send their overlord in the direction where it reaches their opponent's expo first. Jaedong did the opposite with his overlord so that he can check the bottom left with his ovie and if great's ovie reaches JD's base, then he would know great is in top right, but since that didn't happen, he assumed that it's in the top left. Jaedong did pretty much everything right that game, just not the best choice of build and some unlucky scouting.
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
April 24 2011 06:03 GMT
#634
Juni vs...?
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
loveeholicce
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Korea (South)785 Posts
April 24 2011 06:03 GMT
#635
On April 24 2011 15:00 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 15:00 iamho wrote:
why did jaedong send his lings cross positions first anyways? that just seems like a terrible idea

JD probably had brain farts or something. Worse decision making than his game vs Hogil


Jaedong took a 50 / 50 chance with no conveivable way to get info whatsoever, and guessed wrong, Must have been a brain fart. Just stop lol
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_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
April 24 2011 06:03 GMT
#636
lol juni
suddenly oz has a chance again
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
April 24 2011 06:03 GMT
#637
juni vs sos aka shy
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
April 24 2011 06:03 GMT
#638
DAMNIT JANUARY

where is Turn?!
I drop suckas like Plinko
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
April 24 2011 06:03 GMT
#639
Juni vs Shy
SHY WIN THIS NOW
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
a7choi
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1664 Posts
April 24 2011 06:03 GMT
#640
On April 24 2011 15:03 _Quasar_ wrote:
lol juni
suddenly oz has a chance again

LOLOL THIS
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