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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
December 23 2010 10:51 GMT
#881
On December 23 2010 19:44 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2010 19:41 baubo wrote:
I think Light's biggest mistake that game was NOT realizing that Stork skipped obs totally for fast carriers. The whole dragoon not clearing mines thing should've tipped him off, as well as the corsair for scouting. I think he had a good chance to take out all the carriers if he gone out early. But he probably assumed that Stork has an ob or two and waited for critical mass.

That said, Stork's observer micro with carriers is just freaking amazing. I remember another game(on Troy?) where he faced wraiths and just destroyed it with godly observer micro. Too bad his obs are useless in PvZ though.

Light is a TvP choker. It's not that he's incapable of playing good TvP but most of the time he just makes very costly decisions.


I admit I don't watch much of Light's TvP unless it's a big game. But it seems to me his TvP is the same god damn thing every time. Turtle, harass with some vultures, turtle some more, and move out. Meanwhile he lets the protoss expand everywhere.

If the protoss is good, then Light usually get pushed back and loses. If the protoss sucks, they usually just a-move into his tank line and Light wins. The style seems to be perfect for crappy players like shy, and worthless to good decision-makers like Stork.
Meh
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
December 23 2010 10:54 GMT
#882
On December 23 2010 19:51 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2010 19:44 Ryo wrote:
On December 23 2010 19:41 baubo wrote:
I think Light's biggest mistake that game was NOT realizing that Stork skipped obs totally for fast carriers. The whole dragoon not clearing mines thing should've tipped him off, as well as the corsair for scouting. I think he had a good chance to take out all the carriers if he gone out early. But he probably assumed that Stork has an ob or two and waited for critical mass.

That said, Stork's observer micro with carriers is just freaking amazing. I remember another game(on Troy?) where he faced wraiths and just destroyed it with godly observer micro. Too bad his obs are useless in PvZ though.

Light is a TvP choker. It's not that he's incapable of playing good TvP but most of the time he just makes very costly decisions.


I admit I don't watch much of Light's TvP unless it's a big game. But it seems to me his TvP is the same god damn thing every time. Turtle, harass with some vultures, turtle some more, and move out. Meanwhile he lets the protoss expand everywhere.

If the protoss is good, then Light usually get pushed back and loses. If the protoss sucks, they usually just a-move into his tank line and Light wins. The style seems to be perfect for crappy players like shy, and worthless to good decision-makers like Stork.

The times when he doesn't turtle, he usually wins. Unfortunately that is rarely. So aggressive against zerg but completely the opposite against toss. He needs to fix this.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
December 23 2010 11:06 GMT
#883
YES both of the players I wanted advanced!! too bad I didn't liquidbet
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
December 23 2010 11:41 GMT
#884
Storky!

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
The original Bogus fan.
luckybeni2
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1065 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-23 11:44:34
December 23 2010 11:44 GMT
#885
Poor Light. Never had a chance. Stork is 18-2 now in his last 20 PvT. His best matchup is back to top form since he just goes carriers. Seriously the guy does not even care if you scout them, he will beat you anyway. And he does not only do it against the mediocre players but against everyone. The games of this group were very good I have to say. Shy pulled them down but other than that pretty good play from everyone.
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-23 12:07:10
December 23 2010 12:06 GMT
#886
On December 23 2010 20:44 luckybeni2 wrote:
Stork is 18-2 now in his last 20 PvT. His best matchup is back to top form since he just goes carriers. Seriously the guy does not even care if you scout them, he will beat you anyway. And he does not only do it against the mediocre players but against everyone.
Hey, if it works...
Fly Jaedong, fly!
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
December 23 2010 12:58 GMT
#887
I am guessing Light and Sea dont like Stork that much at the moment :-)
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
December 23 2010 12:59 GMT
#888
YESSS STORK ADVANCED
meh I expected him to 2-0 it but as long as he advances =D
[TLMS] REBOOT
Zhul
Profile Joined February 2010
Czech Republic430 Posts
December 23 2010 13:57 GMT
#889
Yep my version of MSL banner :D
duh I expected Stork 2:0...
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
December 23 2010 14:08 GMT
#890
On December 23 2010 20:44 luckybeni2 wrote:
Poor Light. Never had a chance. Stork is 18-2 now in his last 20 PvT. His best matchup is back to top form since he just goes carriers. Seriously the guy does not even care if you scout them, he will beat you anyway. And he does not only do it against the mediocre players but against everyone. The games of this group were very good I have to say. Shy pulled them down but other than that pretty good play from everyone.


I think what differentiates between Stork's carriers and other protoss' carriers is that he's much better at controlling his ground army at the same time. Stork's carrier PvT is always interesting because you see how he defends against the terran push with a smaller ground force. Attacking and withdrawing like guerrilla warfare. Using delay tactics with smaller forces, and attacking at enemy weak points. To me, that's much more epic than just watching armies collide and stuff dying.
Meh
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
December 23 2010 16:30 GMT
#891
Poor Light, the guy has no luck this season. He's had an absolutely brutal set of opponents in PL, and had to try to beat Stork to advance in MSL.
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 23 2010 17:17 GMT
#892
I must say, that game against Roro was pretty bad. Dohsairs ruled the skies.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
December 23 2010 18:15 GMT
#893
Oh the bright side MBC fans, Flash got 0-2 of his group while Light got 1-2 of his. So that would technically make Light's performance in the MSL much more impressive.
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 23 2010 18:22 GMT
#894
Light was twice matched with an opponent that outclassed him(especially in PvT). Not that he did badly, he just got matched with someone he could not beat.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
December 23 2010 19:43 GMT
#895
Well (Z)Jaedong has free reign over the OSL now that (T)Light is out.
☺
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 23 2010 19:50 GMT
#896
On December 24 2010 04:43 Release wrote:
Well (Z)Jaedong has free reign over the OSL now that (T)Light is out.

Unless Hogil beats him that is.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
December 23 2010 19:59 GMT
#897
On December 24 2010 04:43 Release wrote:
Well (Z)Jaedong has free reign over the OSL now that (T)Light is out.


I don't understand this kind of reasoning.

If Flash gets a group with Ssak/Miso/Classic and doesn't get out, what guarantees a Jaedong victory either? Jaedong can be just as easily upset.

oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-23 20:08:29
December 23 2010 20:07 GMT
#898
but flash was not easily upset, the chance for him getting upset in that group was pretty small. not that i agree with the jaedong is a lock theory, but when you are talking about "just as easily," you must attach a specific probability.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-23 20:16:24
December 23 2010 20:15 GMT
#899
Hey guys. Right now there doesn't seem to be games for this group posted anywhere, which is a shame 'cause I really want to watch it.

It's gonna be replayed at 20:30 KST on MBC, though.
twitch.tv/cratonz
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
December 23 2010 20:24 GMT
#900
was really hoping to see light and stork advance
really don't like roro that much ><
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
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