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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
December 16 2010 20:21 GMT
#1541
umm

whoops?????
Writer
Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
December 16 2010 20:24 GMT
#1542
Goodbye MSL viewer ratings
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 16 2010 20:25 GMT
#1543
On December 17 2010 04:59 Serpico wrote:
Ironically Flash still looked only a bit upset, like he knew he could have won if he took it more seriously.

No question flash still #1.
But this time he was outplayed. He got too overconfident, and with this skill can vanish very fast. He didn't make good decisions (expansion timing was just T_T) and neither did he look good in battles. The same I've seen in his game vs Light - Light came slightly on top in nearly every fight in that game, and that finally gave him the advantage of +1 base ==> victory.

He has much weaker nerves than anyone thinks of and in long game a consistent player can exploit this. This is the way he lost to Light, and Ssak, and Classic.

But while TvT is all about battles and macro, in other match-ups he can be better because there are a lot of possibilities to quickly swing the game in your favor or just out-strategy your opponent by countering his build (remember that Flash has mapha starsense and sees anything his opponent is planning to do everywhere ). These match ups aren't so plain and straight and thus Flash can use his mind game skill. %)
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 16 2010 20:27 GMT
#1544
On December 17 2010 05:24 Demand2k wrote:
Goodbye MSL viewer ratings

wat

with Bisu Stork Jaedong in it, as well as a possibility of the new Zerg (or Protoss) revolution, why would it drop

flash fanboy army isn't as huge as one might think -.-
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
December 16 2010 20:27 GMT
#1545
On December 17 2010 05:25 _Quasar_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2010 04:59 Serpico wrote:
Ironically Flash still looked only a bit upset, like he knew he could have won if he took it more seriously.

No question flash still #1.
But this time he was outplayed. He got too overconfident, and with this skill can vanish very fast. He didn't make good decisions (expansion timing was just T_T) and neither did he look good in battles. The same I've seen in his game vs Light - Light came slightly on top in nearly every fight in that game, and that finally gave him the advantage of +1 base ==> victory.

He has much weaker nerves than anyone thinks of and in long game a consistent player can exploit this. This is the way he lost to Light, and Ssak, and Classic.

But while TvT is all about battles and macro, in other match-ups he can be better because there are a lot of possibilities to quickly swing the game in your favor or just out-strategy your opponent by countering his build (remember that Flash has mapha starsense and sees anything his opponent is planning to do everywhere ). These match ups aren't so plain and straight and thus Flash can use his mind game skill. %)


in terms of his game against Ssak -- he wasn't outplayed. I mean, Flash made a pretty bad and overconfident decision in triple expanding which forced flash to spread his line out a bit too far and ssak got that timing right and rolled out and took center, which allowed for some consistent vulture harass that starved flash out.

Good play from Ssak, but i dont think it was really "outplaying"

Also i completely disagree with people who say Flash's tvt is shaky lol
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 16 2010 20:33 GMT
#1546
On December 17 2010 05:27 _Quasar_ wrote:flash fanboy army isn't as huge as one might think -.-

To be honest, it's probably the lowest out of TBLS going from just the ratings in PL allstars.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
December 16 2010 20:35 GMT
#1547
On December 17 2010 05:33 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2010 05:27 _Quasar_ wrote:flash fanboy army isn't as huge as one might think -.-

To be honest, it's probably the lowest out of TBLS going from just the ratings in PL allstars.


flash doesnt have many fans cause so many people bleieve he's ruining starcraft because he's too good
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 20:38:01
December 16 2010 20:37 GMT
#1548
On December 17 2010 05:27 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2010 05:25 _Quasar_ wrote:
On December 17 2010 04:59 Serpico wrote:
Ironically Flash still looked only a bit upset, like he knew he could have won if he took it more seriously.

No question flash still #1.
But this time he was outplayed. He got too overconfident, and with this skill can vanish very fast. He didn't make good decisions (expansion timing was just T_T) and neither did he look good in battles. The same I've seen in his game vs Light - Light came slightly on top in nearly every fight in that game, and that finally gave him the advantage of +1 base ==> victory.

He has much weaker nerves than anyone thinks of and in long game a consistent player can exploit this. This is the way he lost to Light, and Ssak, and Classic.

But while TvT is all about battles and macro, in other match-ups he can be better because there are a lot of possibilities to quickly swing the game in your favor or just out-strategy your opponent by countering his build (remember that Flash has mapha starsense and sees anything his opponent is planning to do everywhere ). These match ups aren't so plain and straight and thus Flash can use his mind game skill. %)


in terms of his game against Ssak -- he wasn't outplayed. I mean, Flash made a pretty bad and overconfident decision in triple expanding which forced flash to spread his line out a bit too far and ssak got that timing right and rolled out and took center, which allowed for some consistent vulture harass that starved flash out.

Good play from Ssak, but i dont think it was really "outplaying"

Also i completely disagree with people who say Flash's tvt is shaky lol

He made the same kind of decision vs Afrotoss in OSL (a VERY early and risky 3rd) but got away with it. So I'd not say that this is uncharacteristic of Flash.

I don't say TvT of Flash is shaky. I just point at the fact that Flash has weak points and one of them is psychology and nerves. Don't forget that our bonjwa is only 18 (!!) years old.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
December 16 2010 20:45 GMT
#1549
Yes new MSL champion!!!!!! JD is easier to beat than Flash, so if not Jaedong, I'm expecting Bisu, Stork, or Fantasy to take this!
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 16 2010 20:56 GMT
#1550
On December 17 2010 05:37 _Quasar_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2010 05:27 Milkis wrote:
On December 17 2010 05:25 _Quasar_ wrote:
On December 17 2010 04:59 Serpico wrote:
Ironically Flash still looked only a bit upset, like he knew he could have won if he took it more seriously.

No question flash still #1.
But this time he was outplayed. He got too overconfident, and with this skill can vanish very fast. He didn't make good decisions (expansion timing was just T_T) and neither did he look good in battles. The same I've seen in his game vs Light - Light came slightly on top in nearly every fight in that game, and that finally gave him the advantage of +1 base ==> victory.

He has much weaker nerves than anyone thinks of and in long game a consistent player can exploit this. This is the way he lost to Light, and Ssak, and Classic.

But while TvT is all about battles and macro, in other match-ups he can be better because there are a lot of possibilities to quickly swing the game in your favor or just out-strategy your opponent by countering his build (remember that Flash has mapha starsense and sees anything his opponent is planning to do everywhere ). These match ups aren't so plain and straight and thus Flash can use his mind game skill. %)


in terms of his game against Ssak -- he wasn't outplayed. I mean, Flash made a pretty bad and overconfident decision in triple expanding which forced flash to spread his line out a bit too far and ssak got that timing right and rolled out and took center, which allowed for some consistent vulture harass that starved flash out.

Good play from Ssak, but i dont think it was really "outplaying"

Also i completely disagree with people who say Flash's tvt is shaky lol

He made the same kind of decision vs Afrotoss in OSL (a VERY early and risky 3rd) but got away with it. So I'd not say that this is uncharacteristic of Flash.

I don't say TvT of Flash is shaky. I just point at the fact that Flash has weak points and one of them is psychology and nerves. Don't forget that our bonjwa is only 18 (!!) years old.

What the fuck, Flash's weakness is psychology and nerves in your eyes? Where have you been during the last year? Are we talking about the same Flash who for instance ape-smashes JD (who is widely considered one of the greatest of all time when it comes to mental strenght and mind games) in a Game 5 in an OSL final?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
kassi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States290 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 20:56:49
December 16 2010 20:56 GMT
#1551
Compared to Ssak and Classic who play with nothing to lose, I can't imagine the pressure that was on Flash. I feel that he occasionally shows us his weakness under pressure (Ace losing streak in PL and 2-3 to Effort?)

Looking on the bright side, hopefully he'll also be able to take a bit of a break since he's not in MSL anymore. He had OSL and PL just the day before MSL, it's got to be mentally and physically tiring. He'll become stronger from this, I have no doubt. Flash hwaiting! (It'd be kinda super imba for him to win 3 MSL's in a row anyways... I'm cheering for Bisu all the way now)
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 16 2010 21:13 GMT
#1552
On December 17 2010 05:56 Holgerius wrote:
What the fuck, Flash's weakness is psychology and nerves in your eyes? Where have you been during the last year? Are we talking about the same Flash who for instance ape-smashes JD (who is widely considered one of the greatest of all time when it comes to mental strenght and mind games) in a Game 5 in an OSL final?


Cool down, oh please. I've watched it all. I've been following flash previous season too. The previous season got flash to the point where he was not meeting any resistance at all. JD has seen that the Zerg play needs evolution or you simply can't handle Terran standard play. JD really showed out all of his skill, but it was still not enough. So, something is probably wrong with overall play, not with skill of a player, and maybe JD or someone comes up with a decision this or next season. I was seriously impressed with JD more than with Flash, because the latest just was using the play that hadn't got any known counters - and still JD made the game extremely close.

But the zerg's aren't generally used to long games so anyway in this part they aren't better than the Terran, and particularly than Flash. But I think we aren't talking about JD now, he knows his weaknesses even better than we do :D

I've seen this season and still was talking about Flash's weak point being his nerves and seeing his opponent play flawlessly too. So now why I should change my mind, especially when I see the approvements of it? X_x

I'm not going to discuss the strong points of Flash as they're obvious and anyone already said them.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
December 16 2010 21:27 GMT
#1553
On December 17 2010 05:24 Demand2k wrote:
Goodbye MSL viewer ratings

No one enjoys watching 1 person winning everything. thx.
fishball232
Profile Joined May 2010
United States90 Posts
December 16 2010 21:31 GMT
#1554
yay flash is gone no more flash v jaedong finals
"You really have to detach yourself and accept that you suck at StarCraft. Like I suck at StarCraft and it's all I've done for 15 years"-Artosis 2013
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 16 2010 21:35 GMT
#1555
we may have JvF in OSL but with things going that way we can even see neither of them even in ro8

and also Winners' League i think guarantees us at least one JvF
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
pronesc
Profile Joined July 2010
United States31 Posts
December 16 2010 21:43 GMT
#1556
WHAAAAAAAAT! Flash lost, this should be interesting.
ToFu.
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
331 Posts
December 16 2010 21:43 GMT
#1557
JD golden badge plz now plz.
Constipation Zerg Fighting!
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 16 2010 21:58 GMT
#1558
I bet half of the posts in this thread which were made after the games ended are just purely made of the WTF.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
December 16 2010 22:01 GMT
#1559
Wow, how long has it been since Flash DIDN'T advance to a MSL final?
jaesung
Profile Joined November 2006
124 Posts
December 16 2010 22:16 GMT
#1560
here is A & B + Group Selection.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/z3f1p4
enjoy ur max download speed.
if im not allowed to share these files, please delete.

whats happening to nevake anyway?
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