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_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 18 2010 18:58 GMT
#1661
Flash isn't "slumping" I think, he still hasn't any major flaws in his play. His losses come when his opponent doesn't lose concentration and just bit by bit strikes him here and there. And his wins from a disadvantageous position come from the fact that his opponent does lose the concentration and Flash doesn't.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
December 18 2010 19:24 GMT
#1662
On December 19 2010 03:26 _Quasar_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 16:47 Ideas wrote:
how long did bonjwas usually stay bonjwas after they were recognized as bonjwas? usually not that long, right?

only two bonjwas were recognized as such during their actual reign - Savior and Flash.

So, was he recognized by the Koreans or not? If it's "official" and the commentators+majority agree, then it's fine. Otherwise, it's not.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 18 2010 19:25 GMT
#1663
On December 19 2010 04:24 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2010 03:26 _Quasar_ wrote:
On December 18 2010 16:47 Ideas wrote:
how long did bonjwas usually stay bonjwas after they were recognized as bonjwas? usually not that long, right?

only two bonjwas were recognized as such during their actual reign - Savior and Flash.

So, was he recognized by the Koreans or not? If it's "official" and the commentators+majority agree, then it's fine. Otherwise, it's not.

How can anyone not consider him bonjwa after the last year? O_o
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
December 18 2010 19:28 GMT
#1664
On December 19 2010 04:24 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2010 03:26 _Quasar_ wrote:
On December 18 2010 16:47 Ideas wrote:
how long did bonjwas usually stay bonjwas after they were recognized as bonjwas? usually not that long, right?

only two bonjwas were recognized as such during their actual reign - Savior and Flash.

So, was he recognized by the Koreans or not? If it's "official" and the commentators+majority agree, then it's fine. Otherwise, it's not.


It was "official" after Flash beat Jaedong in Shanghai.
Fan of the Jangbanger
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 18 2010 19:32 GMT
#1665
Could someone explain to me exactly what makes it "official?" Isn't it all opinion?
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
December 18 2010 19:41 GMT
#1666
On December 19 2010 04:28 O-ops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2010 04:24 Lucumo wrote:
On December 19 2010 03:26 _Quasar_ wrote:
On December 18 2010 16:47 Ideas wrote:
how long did bonjwas usually stay bonjwas after they were recognized as bonjwas? usually not that long, right?

only two bonjwas were recognized as such during their actual reign - Savior and Flash.

So, was he recognized by the Koreans or not? If it's "official" and the commentators+majority agree, then it's fine. Otherwise, it's not.


It was "official" after Flash beat Jaedong in Shanghai.

So a Flash poster is on the bonjwa wall now? I never really heard of it, so I wouldn't know. Wonder whether there was a Korean article about it...

On December 19 2010 04:32 Lightwip wrote:
Could someone explain to me exactly what makes it "official?" Isn't it all opinion?

It is as I wrote, commentators+majority of the Korean community. That's my opinion at least and I put the word in quotation marks, so take it as it is
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 19:57:37
December 18 2010 19:45 GMT
#1667
On December 19 2010 04:41 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2010 04:28 O-ops wrote:
On December 19 2010 04:24 Lucumo wrote:
On December 19 2010 03:26 _Quasar_ wrote:
On December 18 2010 16:47 Ideas wrote:
how long did bonjwas usually stay bonjwas after they were recognized as bonjwas? usually not that long, right?

only two bonjwas were recognized as such during their actual reign - Savior and Flash.

So, was he recognized by the Koreans or not? If it's "official" and the commentators+majority agree, then it's fine. Otherwise, it's not.


It was "official" after Flash beat Jaedong in Shanghai.

So a Flash poster is on the bonjwa wall now? I never really heard of it, so I wouldn't know. Wonder whether there was a Korean article about it...

Show nested quote +
On December 19 2010 04:32 Lightwip wrote:
Could someone explain to me exactly what makes it "official?" Isn't it all opinion?

It is as I wrote, commentators+majority of the Korean community. That's my opinion at least and I put the word in quotation marks, so take it as it is


The Koreans named Flash the Fifth Bonjwa after he took the double grand slam. He was the second to win both OSL and MSL during the same season after Nada.

There was a thread on it, but I am too lazy to find it.

On December 18 2010 17:46 Ideas wrote:
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On December 18 2010 16:59 Zona wrote:
On December 18 2010 16:55 Lucumo wrote:
On December 18 2010 16:47 Ideas wrote:
how long did bonjwas usually stay bonjwas after they were recognized as bonjwas? usually not that long, right?

Was Flash even recognized by the Koreans? Afaik, it was always said that there can't be any more bonjwas due to a change of the scene.

That was before his back to back finals/simultaneous OSL/MSL/(SPL!) wins...when JD was actually competitive against Flash.

And IIRC the "bonjwa" label was applied in the Savior era...the rest were retroactively named?


yea i think that might be true. i guess it only applies to savior, who I think wasn't considered bonjwa until his OSL win?


Savior lost the MSL to Bisu one week after he royal road his OSL title over Nada.

Yes, somehow, for some reason, it took Savior 3 MSL trophies, one MSL silver, numerous other achievements including utter domination of the entire scene worth of time to qualify for his first OSL ever.

Savior achieved his "bonjwa" status due to a series of special event tournaments known as "Super Fights". After he 3-0'ed Boxer, the Koreans started calling him "bonjwa".
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 18 2010 20:32 GMT
#1668
On December 19 2010 04:24 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2010 03:26 _Quasar_ wrote:
On December 18 2010 16:47 Ideas wrote:
how long did bonjwas usually stay bonjwas after they were recognized as bonjwas? usually not that long, right?

only two bonjwas were recognized as such during their actual reign - Savior and Flash.

So, was he recognized by the Koreans or not? If it's "official" and the commentators+majority agree, then it's fine. Otherwise, it's not.

They call him "God" for god's sake.
VManOfMana
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States764 Posts
December 18 2010 22:35 GMT
#1669
FlaSh is Bonjwa

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=152052
Woo Jung Ho, FIGHTING! | "With the death of BW comes the death of an idea. And that idea, held by many BW fans, was that a computer game could actually outlive the Next New Game cycle. And to some extent it did." -Falling
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
December 18 2010 23:09 GMT
#1670
On December 19 2010 07:35 VManOfMana wrote:
FlaSh is Bonjwa

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=152052

Thanks for the link. Wonder how I managed it to completely miss that thread.

@duke: Is this the thread you were talking about? It's not by Milkis though.
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
December 18 2010 23:37 GMT
#1671
THE WORLD HAS ENDED
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
December 18 2010 23:46 GMT
#1672
FlaSh losing? Wtf is that? There should be something wrong, I dont know...
FlaSh :S
750/750 emotions fully stacked
e_i_pi_1_0
Profile Joined September 2009
933 Posts
December 19 2010 00:02 GMT
#1673
I woke up the morning just after the losers match had ended, checked the results, and blinked to make sure I was reading it right. I shook my head in disbelief and blinked again. This continued for a while. Then I started reading the LR thread, and went "Holy crap, it's true."

Wow, was not expecting Flash to drop out 0-2 this early in the competition. This means he has to play in Survivor next season, right? When was the last time he had to play in MST?

Jaedong and Hwaseung Oz fan.
pronesc
Profile Joined July 2010
United States31 Posts
December 19 2010 04:01 GMT
#1674
Haha, such an insane amount of comments since Flash lost.
I'd love to see Flash in MST though.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
December 19 2010 04:31 GMT
#1675
The matches Reminded me of Flash vs Leta (classic/ssak) but without the mistakes from [opponent]
☺
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
December 19 2010 10:19 GMT
#1676
On December 19 2010 09:02 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
I woke up the morning just after the losers match had ended, checked the results, and blinked to make sure I was reading it right. I shook my head in disbelief and blinked again. This continued for a while. Then I started reading the LR thread, and went "Holy crap, it's true."

Wow, was not expecting Flash to drop out 0-2 this early in the competition. This means he has to play in Survivor next season, right? When was the last time he had to play in MST?



and what if he doesn't survive Survivor? + Show Spoiler +
OMG WHAT JOY!
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
December 20 2010 23:06 GMT
#1677
How epic it might be if an epic protoss(Bisu) fights Jaedong in an epic PvZ for his epic 4th msl which would be an epic comeback.
and it will all happen I tell you.
w/o flash and w/ more amateur terrans entering Ro16, the tournament just got more exciting with these possibilities.
as for Flash, who cares about him? All he wants is atleast 5 OSLs.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
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