EPTOn May 17 2010 14:36 ssj114 wrote:
No VODs yet?
No VODs yet?
Wfbrood has them
http://www.wfbrood.com/movie/bvod/
Funny how this thread has like 10x more pages than the oz vs estro thread.
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ohN
United States1075 Posts
Wfbrood has them http://www.wfbrood.com/movie/bvod/ Funny how this thread has like 10x more pages than the oz vs estro thread. | ||
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Wi)nD
Canada719 Posts
gj effort | ||
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khellian
Korea (South)922 Posts
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
Valk: HAI GUYZ Lurker: LOLZ I win! I was surprised that Flash lasted that long. His late game play was OUTSTANDING. Too bad it was too late because Effort already had like 10 expos FAIL. Flash will still win the OSL though. I don't see Effort beating Flash in a Bo5 this weekend. Snow beating Flash is irrelevant (both Finals are TvZ). Snow had that snipe planned out from the beginning. CJ knew Flash is their ACE player and Snow already had the PvT build planned out to the "tee". Snow's not a PvT specialist for nothing. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
Still, OMG FLASH LOST BOTH GAMES WTFUCK IS THIS OMG | ||
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
On May 17 2010 09:56 JaedongMidasAction wrote: lol suddenly praising snow now? haha snow sucks. He's only decent against terran. He's a one matchup player. And if any of you think Flash is gonna lose @ osl finals you're stupid Did you look at how many game at standard league he has played? All: 15-17 vT: 10-5 vZ: 2-5 vP: 3-7 Are you really already saying that he is one matchup wonder based on this little information? Besides he beat Neo.G_Soulkey in dream league and other nine players without losing a single game. Now Snow came with crazy preparations against Flash and he managed to beat Flash also without using cheese or all-in and you still aren't giving any credit to Snow? You must be kidding me. @Silentness Are you saying that EffOrt only managed to win Flash because of build order advantage? EffOrt had insane macro and multitasking in that game. EffOrt was able to keep his money low with 10 bases while using drops constatly. He got advantage early and he never dropped the ball. Flash didn't get any change to crawl back in to the game. EffOrt didn't pull Kwanro's (getting big lead and still managing to lose because of stubborness) I don't mean to discredit Flash or anything, he did defend very well. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On May 17 2010 21:34 Tuke wrote: Did you look at how many game at standard league he has played? All: 15-17 vT: 10-5 vZ: 2-5 vP: 3-7 Are you really already saying that he is one matchup wonder based on this little information? Besides he beat Neo.G_Soulkey in dream league and other nine players without losing a single game. Now Snow came with crazy preparations against Flash and he managed to beat Flash also without using cheese or all-in and you still aren't giving any credit to Snow? You must be kidding me. @Silentness Are you saying that EffOrt only managed to win Flash because of build order advantage? EffOrt had insane macro and multitasking in that game. EffOrt was able to keep his money low with 10 bases while using drops constatly. He got advantage early and he never dropped the ball. Flash didn't get any change to crawl back in to the game. EffOrt didn't pull Kwanro's (getting big lead and still managing to lose because of stubborness) I don't mean to discredit Flash or anything, he did defend very well. Right now he looks like a complete 1 matchup player. His PvT is great and hes beaten a lot of good players but his PvZ is a total joke. Losing to hyuk? HYUK? HYUUUK???? And then beating Flash? FLASH? That indicates a massive gap between his pvt and pvz. Just looked at his stats: Hes lost PvZs to Hyuk (TWICE), Hyun, and Roro while hes won against Sea, Really, Leta, Light, Upmagic, and now Flash. So far hes a total 1 MU guy | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
Flash goes 0-2? ..and why is Bisu in the recommeneded? | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On May 17 2010 21:34 Tuke wrote: Did you look at how many game at standard league he has played? All: 15-17 vT: 10-5 vZ: 2-5 vP: 3-7 Are you really already saying that he is one matchup wonder based on this little information? Besides he beat Neo.G_Soulkey in dream league and other nine players without losing a single game. Now Snow came with crazy preparations against Flash and he managed to beat Flash also without using cheese or all-in and you still aren't giving any credit to Snow? You must be kidding me. @Silentness Are you saying that EffOrt only managed to win Flash because of build order advantage? EffOrt had insane macro and multitasking in that game. EffOrt was able to keep his money low with 10 bases while using drops constatly. He got advantage early and he never dropped the ball. Flash didn't get any change to crawl back in to the game. EffOrt didn't pull Kwanro's (getting big lead and still managing to lose because of stubborness) I don't mean to discredit Flash or anything, he did defend very well. I watched both the Snow and the Effort game. There's no doubt that Effort's macro skills were top notch that day. I saw the first person view when they were showing Effort dumping all his minerals/gas (a lot of those were ultralisks that he could afford to waste). I'm not trying to crap on Effort. He IS obviously a OSL finals caliber player, but Flash dug his grave with his initial build order... it was all uphill for Flash after the bunker/Valkyrie debacle. Plus honestly I felt Flash wasn't taking that game seriously at the beginning maybe all those wins made him feel like he can just coast in every game he plays. Effort made him sing a different tune though mid/late game. That loss fucked with Flash's head so much though. Flash looked so concerned when he was in the booth against Snow. Then Snow comes and takes Flash out. Yeah Flash better be in that hyperbolic time chamber right now or he's going to get rammed up the ass again this weekend if he tries to pull the same stunt he did during SPL. | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
Effort and Flash was almost as much of a rape. Contained in a corner while Effort took rest of a map. Flash got harass done and managed to push a bit but still could not even take out one base. But I have to say a lot of that loss was Flash's fault. He gave away 4 marines for no reason, wasted one early game scv, bunker, 3 marines, for like 5 zerglings. Lost a drop ship with some troops inside, lost another full drop to lings, and was tricked by a muta fake to lurkers (although can't blame Flash 100% for that one). But Flash failed really hard in that game and only survived that long due to mechanics. | ||
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
On May 18 2010 00:58 lone_hydra wrote: I just watched Snow vs. Flash. Flash was dominated. He was barely let out his base at all till the last few minutes when he pushed with his mech ball. Even then his ball got crushed right away. All scouting denied, all vulture harass denied, arbiter/recall used contained while toss took rest of the map and carriers to break the turtle. Text book PvT rape. Either Flash did not play like Flash or Snow played like Stork and Bisu combined. Effort and Flash was almost as much of a rape. Contained in a corner while Effort took rest of a map. Flash got harass done and managed to push a bit but still could not even take out one base. But I have to say a lot of that loss was Flash's fault. He gave away 4 marines for no reason, wasted one early game scv, bunker, 3 marines, for like 5 zerglings. Lost a drop ship with some troops inside, lost another full drop to lings, and was tricked by a muta fake to lurkers (although can't blame Flash 100% for that one). But Flash failed really hard in that game and only survived that long due to mechanics. I don't think Snow played that well. Just that Flash was so far behind early game when his expo was delayed for too long as he anticipated an all in that never came. Snow build was nice as he FE'ed to 6 while tricking Flash into thinking that he's going all in (most viable PvFlash strat in an ace game) - but that the only noticeable thing from him, and that build's likely to be a CJ's team effort. Flash fighted uphill battles in both games today due to early BO/decision making - which is quite unlikely to happen every week so I don't think he needs to be worried too much. This loss will be a good concentration call for him to prepare for the coming 2 finals. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 18 2010 12:32 mrdx wrote: I don't think Snow played that well. Just that Flash was so far behind early game when his expo was delayed for too long as he anticipated an all in that never came. Snow build was nice as he FE'ed to 6 while tricking Flash into thinking that he's going all in (most viable PvFlash strat in an ace game) - but that the only noticeable thing from him, and that build's likely to be a CJ's team effort. Flash fighted uphill battles in both games today due to early BO/decision making - which is quite unlikely to happen every week so I don't think he needs to be worried too much. This loss will be a good concentration call for him to prepare for the coming 2 finals. Flash wasn't far behind because of no reason, but because of an epic fake by Snow that made him as such. And Snow played well regardless, what with the 11 expo tricks and the carrier fake and such. He also managed to carry his advantage into a win(like Movie did on game 1 of the last OSL? Oh wait...). Also, the fact that he went 0-2 might also help Effort because it shows that Flash can be beat, although who knows who will be helped more by this game. | ||
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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yes9111
United States420 Posts
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 18 2010 15:34 EpiK wrote: why is bisu >> flash in the results? Because the thread creator is a Bisu fanboy. | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On May 18 2010 12:55 mrdx wrote: I agree that Snow played well and the fake was epic - my response was to the remarke that Snow "textbook raped" Flash and he was like "Stork and Bisu" combined - a compliment which IMO was absolutely over the top. He simply maximized his advantage as a huge underdog well - if it were for instance, Stork then Flash wouldn't believe in an all-in that easily. He invested in an extra bunker and fast turret way to quickly. The reason I made that remark because the current Flash will run over Bisu and Stork if you watched their most recent games. It will take Bisu+Stork to beat Flash. And if a situation where Stork played in the same spot as Snow, with a unorthdox 6 oclock 2nd base and Flash does not scout it, I am pretty sure Flash will be expecting some serious aggression or heavy tech on Stork's part. I don't see how Flash would have interpreted the situation differently just because it was Stork. Unlike the Flash vs. Effort game, there were no see-able unforced errors from Flash, and all mistakes were forced based on actions of Snow and thats why Snow dominated that game. | ||
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France2983 Posts
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United States381 Posts
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