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I think that Stars will win, despite that MBC is on a rampage.
It stops right here and now.
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Only seeing HyuN vs Free. Just love seeing Free's lategame and hope that Sea can win for my Fantasy team.
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+ Show Spoiler +if stars lose today's game... well I gotta say this is the worst time to be a Stars fan for you guys  Trust me, I know how it feels.
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I wish Light would come to Woongjin. "Light, we would appreciate you MBC fans care only for Sea." Seriously though wouldn't it be awesome if we buy Light?
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On December 20 2009 12:12 sashkata wrote:
I wish Light would come to Woongjin. "Light, we would appreciate you MBC fans care only for Sea." Seriously though wouldn't it be awesome if we buy Light?
Light belongs in MBC :p
I can't imagine him being elsewhere, GGPlay in CJ was also awkward
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Set 1: (Z)HyuN vs (P)free[gm] on Match Point
Set 2: (P)han vs (P)GuemChi on Fighting Spirit
Set 3: (Z)Peace vs (Z)ZerO on Outsider SE
Set 4: (T)Sea vs (T)MVP on New Tornado
SEA vs ZERO
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On December 20 2009 12:14 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 12:12 sashkata wrote:
I wish Light would come to Woongjin. "Light, we would appreciate you MBC fans care only for Sea." Seriously though wouldn't it be awesome if we buy Light? Light belongs in MBC :p I can't imagine him being elsewhere, GGPlay in CJ was also awkward
what're you talking about BELONGS to MBC?
he gets NO exposure in MBC its all about Sea or how bad the team does that season
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On December 20 2009 12:30 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 12:14 konadora wrote:On December 20 2009 12:12 sashkata wrote:
I wish Light would come to Woongjin. "Light, we would appreciate you MBC fans care only for Sea." Seriously though wouldn't it be awesome if we buy Light? Light belongs in MBC :p I can't imagine him being elsewhere, GGPlay in CJ was also awkward what're you talking about BELONGS to MBC? he gets NO exposure in MBC its all about Sea or how bad the team does that season
i mean he has this "I belong in MBC" feel about him, especially considering that Light has been with MBC for some time and has got them consistent results throughout.
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hyun fighting! and hopefully sea sucking!
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argh come on MBC
at least beat free
edit: but I hope zero wins because he is sexy
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On December 20 2009 12:34 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 12:30 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On December 20 2009 12:14 konadora wrote:On December 20 2009 12:12 sashkata wrote:
I wish Light would come to Woongjin. "Light, we would appreciate you MBC fans care only for Sea." Seriously though wouldn't it be awesome if we buy Light? Light belongs in MBC :p I can't imagine him being elsewhere, GGPlay in CJ was also awkward what're you talking about BELONGS to MBC? he gets NO exposure in MBC its all about Sea or how bad the team does that season i mean he has this "I belong in MBC" feel about him, especially considering that Light has been with MBC for some time and has got them consistent results throughout.
And gets constantly ignored. It feels like he belongs in MBC, but does he really? He's never broken out or done better than he is now.
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On December 20 2009 12:49 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 12:34 konadora wrote:On December 20 2009 12:30 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On December 20 2009 12:14 konadora wrote:On December 20 2009 12:12 sashkata wrote:
I wish Light would come to Woongjin. "Light, we would appreciate you MBC fans care only for Sea." Seriously though wouldn't it be awesome if we buy Light? Light belongs in MBC :p I can't imagine him being elsewhere, GGPlay in CJ was also awkward what're you talking about BELONGS to MBC? he gets NO exposure in MBC its all about Sea or how bad the team does that season i mean he has this "I belong in MBC" feel about him, especially considering that Light has been with MBC for some time and has got them consistent results throughout. And gets constantly ignored. It feels like he belongs in MBC, but does he really? He's never broken out or done better than he is now.
Well that's true. Meh, poor Light.
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On December 20 2009 12:49 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 12:34 konadora wrote:On December 20 2009 12:30 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On December 20 2009 12:14 konadora wrote:On December 20 2009 12:12 sashkata wrote:
I wish Light would come to Woongjin. "Light, we would appreciate you MBC fans care only for Sea." Seriously though wouldn't it be awesome if we buy Light? Light belongs in MBC :p I can't imagine him being elsewhere, GGPlay in CJ was also awkward what're you talking about BELONGS to MBC? he gets NO exposure in MBC its all about Sea or how bad the team does that season i mean he has this "I belong in MBC" feel about him, especially considering that Light has been with MBC for some time and has got them consistent results throughout. And gets constantly ignored. It feels like he belongs in MBC, but does he really? He's never broken out or done better than he is now.
exactly
he's a solid player capable of taking games off the best (JD, Bisu, Calm, Effort) but never really had the "magic"
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Hoping for a Stars 3-0 here, since MVP clearly isn't beating Sea.
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complete fail from free, thank you hyun in bonjwa mode.
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cannon goes down
Lot dies
OVER
OVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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you've gotta be fucking kidding
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Yay free lost, points for me! ^_^
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What happened? I started too late.
Also glad hyun won for my FPL =D
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Hyun is doing lately so good it's embarrassing.
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On December 20 2009 13:12 EvoChamber wrote:
What happened exactly?
ling run-by. in december 2009. ling run-by
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damn yeah...woot for free failing and being on my anti team....i was a bit worried last week lol.
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im glad i switched skyhigh for free in anti =)
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first flash. then free. next bonjwa.
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thx for failing free!
keep it up so my fpl profits :D
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oh my god my anti-team cannot stop winning
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who wouldve thought hyun would go 2-0 this week. against flash and free too.
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Guemchi fighting, so han can get me antiteam points 
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Can someone explain what happened game 1?
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khan vs estro
+ Show Spoiler +firebathero went mech and kinda rolled action pretty fast...
I just realized that I posted in the wrong thread X_X
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On December 20 2009 13:29 ggrrg wrote:
SPOILERZ
spoilers bro
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On December 20 2009 13:28 Chen wrote:
Can someone explain what happened game 1?
free got greedy and hyun ran by with lings.
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G-Bonjwa, fighting!~
Lolz~
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6 HP DT running around, wats with the new trend of cannon defence PvP?
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This drop has Fail written all over it
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Guemchi has three tiny squares on his face. 2 near his nose and one between his eyes. Anti-acne patches?
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On December 20 2009 13:34 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Guemchi has three tiny squares on his face. 2 near his nose and one on his cheek. Anti-acne patches?
He should just wear a mask instead. It is the latest fad.
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han: fuck zealot speed.
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Guechi losses main battle and third base
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Stars is falling to pieces.
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On December 20 2009 13:40 FireGuyX wrote:
Han is the next dragon.
he's behind Movie and Violet in the pecking order
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Zergs know that free's PvZ is strong late but weak early, heh.
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Hyun has apparently resurged as MBC's reliable Zerg. If Han starts being more consistent then MBC is gonna have a lineup as scary as KT and CJ.
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it would be a great day if sea doesnt play and saves me a mess of trouble.
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HyuN's last 5 games:
Wins against Calm (x2), Stork, Flash, and free
SWARM SEASON EVERY SEASON
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On December 20 2009 13:44 Chen wrote:he's behind Movie and Violet in the pecking order
Don't omit  Stats.
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What the hell Stars. What the hell.
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I think that Kal and Free should be replaced by Movie and Violet right now.
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On December 20 2009 13:50 dukethegold wrote:
I think that Kal and Free should be replaced by Movie and Violet right now.
Except Kal's still good. In fact he's playing great right now.
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On December 20 2009 13:48 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 13:44 Chen wrote:On December 20 2009 13:40 FireGuyX wrote:
Han is the next dragon. he's behind Movie and Violet in the pecking order Don't omit Stats.
and Pure
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On December 20 2009 13:44 Chen wrote:he's behind Movie and Violet in the pecking order
they're practically dragons already
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Movie's just gonna be another one of those "omg awesome" newcomers that just fizzle out after a season and not end up doing anything.
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On December 20 2009 13:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 13:50 dukethegold wrote:
I think that Kal and Free should be replaced by Movie and Violet right now. Except Kal's still good. In fact he's playing great right now.
And the hole dragon thing faded away some time ago.
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On December 20 2009 13:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 13:50 dukethegold wrote:
I think that Kal and Free should be replaced by Movie and Violet right now. Except Kal's still good. In fact he's playing great right now.
Indeed. Kal set a new career-high ELO last week, so he might even be better now than he was in '08.
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On December 20 2009 13:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Movie's just gonna be another one of those "omg awesome" newcomers that just fizzle out after a season and not end up doing anything.
except he's already performed okay in two msl's and well in the current osl at the moment.
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Mystlord
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PEACE IS FAILING!!
Lost two drones I think? Or 1...
SPEED DONE FOR PEACE!!!
Oh same for Zero. Zero pulling back to defend. No drones on gas for Peace, trying to end it with lings only.
Spire 50% for Zero.
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Creep colony for Zero. 3 Mutas out for him as well.
All of Peace's Mutalisks are caught. Spore colonies and lair coming up for Peace.
Peace is going to be so behind.
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wow Zero sat 3 mutas in front of 2 spore colonies until 1 died and the other 2 were under 30 HP -.-
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Peace has 3 hatches, Zero still on 2.
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FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
ENSNARE
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ENSNARE FOR THE FUCKING WIN
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woops, came back and misread the players colors LOL
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holy crap lol
this is over for peace
muta count difference is WAY TOO BIG
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LoL every muta ensnared and killed.
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Zero wins by ensnare. That's win.
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+2 armor for ZerO
Queens in ZvZ, new ZvZ revolution? The counter to turtle zerg?
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On December 20 2009 13:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Movie's just gonna be another one of those "omg awesome" newcomers that just fizzle out after a season and not end up doing anything.
Movie is one of the best protoss and he will stay that way for quite a while.
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lol 2 muta group micro?
trying to be Jaedong?
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Who needs muta micro when you have a billion mutalisks and a queen?
From chat- ZerO's new nickname is the King of Queens.
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Peace should have gged a long time ago.
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Peace GGs! You aren't fight the power of ensnare.
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ZerO ZvZ is so entertaining these days
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omg Zero, those snares were so sexy
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I love how now anyone preparing to play Zero has to practice against Queens, no matter which matchup it is.
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On December 20 2009 14:09 Kimoleon wrote:
omg Zero, those snares were so sexy
You've to be kidding me.
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Time for a Christmas miracle
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Uh... where is  MVP building his second factory?
EDIT: And Sea scouts it no problem.
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MVP Doing a proxy factory!!
IS THAT GUM I SEE IN MVP'S MOUTH??? THE GUM!!! LOMO GUM!!!
MVP LOOKING TO PUSH UP SEA'S RAMP!!!
SEA'S RAMP IS BROKEN!!!!
OMG 3 RINES AND A VULT IN SEA'S BASE!!!
3 SCVS OF SEA'S SNIPED!!!
VULTURE GOES IN AND SNIPES TWO MORE SCVS!!!
MVP NOT LIFTING THAT FACTORY!
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I should stop abusing caps as much... It looks so weird O_O. Tons of exclamation points time!!
MVP pushing in with 3 tanks!!!
SNIPES ONE OF SEA'S!!
Sea gets one at the cost of 4 SCVs!!
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Wow 2 fac, then 2 port lolol GO MVPPPPP
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MVP proxying two starports. At least it's an enterteining game
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CHRISTMAS MIRACLE PLEASE!
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Lol, two starports going up for MVP.
Anyone else get the sense that he's just making this up as he goes?
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This game is seriously whack.
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OMG MVP RUNS IN WITH VULTS AND SNIPES ANOTHER TANK!!
Sea's CC is getting sniped!
Wait, now MVP pulls back to get his Refinery...
Wraith out for sea..
BUT 2 PORTS FOR MVP!!!
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On December 20 2009 14:07 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 13:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Movie's just gonna be another one of those "omg awesome" newcomers that just fizzle out after a season and not end up doing anything. Movie is one of the best protoss and it will stay that way for quite a while.
That's what people said about Leta. Did he ever do anything spectacular outside of the season and a half in proleague?
That's what people said about Effort, but now, for the second season in a row, he's out of both individual leagues.
There's always going to be people who look like they're on fire, play pretty well, but never climb to the top. Not everyone can be a Jaedong or Flash or Stork or Bisu, just accept it and move on.
Yes, there's still a chance for Movie to become the next big thing, I'm just saying that I don't see it happening. He's not even the "best" Protoss right now, and there's a whole host of people ahead of him.
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sea's got this the moment his cloak is done
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Sea lost his natural refinery and is now losing his CC. Sea snipes one of MVP's tanks.
Researching cloak and got an armory.
MVP going in with his wraiths, but pulls back at the sight of that goliath. Gets a few potshots off.
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On December 20 2009 14:29 GTR wrote:
really nice patient play from sea
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Wow, MVP. All that time, and no scans or ebay? Throw the game away.
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NO DETECTION FOR MVP!!!
CLOAK DONE FOR SEA AND MVP SWALLOWS!
Cloaked wraiths taking out MVP's tanks! MVP only now starting his E-bay!
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and there is cloak and the game.
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Ruh roh! Somehow MVP did not see that coming...
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MVP suicides about 5 wraiths for nothing. he doesnt realize cloak wraiths>non cloaked wraiths
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am i the only guy who has this impression about mvp that he's the kind of kid nobody wants to sit close to because of the faint smell of crusted urine?
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Sea is sniping SCVs... Also sniping wraiths.
Gets some wraiths, but now I'm not sure who's ahead...
Sea did lose more SCVs, but it's really easy to come back in TvT, and Sea is getting his third.
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On December 20 2009 14:33 mmgoose wrote:
am i the only guy who has this impression about mvp that he's the kind of kid nobody wants to sit close to because of the faint smell of crusted urine?
i kind of feel that way about canata
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firebat with 2 scv kills lol
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Sea's economy is booming.
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On December 20 2009 14:35 konadora wrote:
firebat with 2 scv kills lol
Sea punishes MVP for neglecting to kill the barracks he landed right behind his refinery. MVP is so bad.
Sea once more with the high ground, and nursing a two base advantage.
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Mystlord
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Sea is slowly coming back into this game, especially if he can keep his fourth undetected.
OMG SEA LETS A MINE HIT HIS TANKS!!!
VULTURES INTO SEA'S THIRD!!
VULTURES KILLING SCVS!! At least 5 are killed!
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Wow, MVP knows how to break contains real good.
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Wow, didn't even see those dropships. Curse you, mighty Sea!
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MVP PUSHING INTO SEA'S POSITION!!! IT FALLS!!!
OMG MINE TAKES OUT A TANK AND 3 SCVS!!
Drop in MVP's main!
MVP bringin in SCVs... Sea ferrying in more troops!
All of those SCVs dead! Sea DESTROYING MVP'S BASE!
sO GOOD!
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Really finally gets his act together and kills off Sea's drop, but he lost a ton of SCVs.
FINAL PUSH FROM SEA ENDS IT!
GG!!!
Sea is just THAT good.
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On December 20 2009 14:39 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Wow, MVP knows how to break contains real good.
If only his base weren't being hit with three dropships of tanks and vultures at the same time, this would be a great skill toi have.
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On December 20 2009 14:33 mmgoose wrote:
am i the only guy who has this impression about mvp that he's the kind of kid nobody wants to sit close to because of the faint smell of crusted urine?
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
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On December 20 2009 14:30 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 14:07 FireGuyX wrote:On December 20 2009 13:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Movie's just gonna be another one of those "omg awesome" newcomers that just fizzle out after a season and not end up doing anything. Movie is one of the best protoss and it will stay that way for quite a while. That's what people said about Leta. Did he ever do anything spectacular outside of the season and a half in proleague? That's what people said about Effort, but now, for the second season in a row, he's out of both individual leagues. There's always going to be people who look like they're on fire, play pretty well, but never climb to the top. Not everyone can be a Jaedong or Flash or Stork or Bisu, just accept it and move on. Yes, there's still a chance for Movie to become the next big thing, I'm just saying that I don't see it happening. He's not even the "best" Protoss right now, and there's a whole host of people ahead of him.
I hate it when people judge things PURELY by results. Do you watch the games? Can you not see how good Effort is? The leagues are very cutthroat and it only takes one or two bad days to negate three months worth of effort. Even Flash couldn't scratch a RO8 for two straight seasons, which is four leagues (by the way, Movie and Effort have each made a RO8 ... and Leta made two).
Since when did someone have to be JD/Flash/Bisu level to be "a top Protoss". Last time I checked there could be more than one.
Results in leagues matter a lot but you have to watch peoples' play as well. Effort dropped OSL and MSL last year by losing to JD/FlashBBS and Calm (the eventual champion) respectively. He dropped OSL this year by losing two ZvZs. His only really bad drop was MSL this year and even that was a tough game against mech on Odd Eye followed by a ZvZ. I would say Effort's the favorite or even against everybody except Flash and JD right now. He's probably only even against Calm, Bisu, Stork, and Zero, and personally I would bet on him against Stork or Zero for sure.
Can't believe people are still labeling Effort a bust after just two seasons. Ridiculous.
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On December 20 2009 14:42 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 14:30 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 20 2009 14:07 FireGuyX wrote:On December 20 2009 13:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Movie's just gonna be another one of those "omg awesome" newcomers that just fizzle out after a season and not end up doing anything. Movie is one of the best protoss and it will stay that way for quite a while. That's what people said about Leta. Did he ever do anything spectacular outside of the season and a half in proleague? That's what people said about Effort, but now, for the second season in a row, he's out of both individual leagues. There's always going to be people who look like they're on fire, play pretty well, but never climb to the top. Not everyone can be a Jaedong or Flash or Stork or Bisu, just accept it and move on. Yes, there's still a chance for Movie to become the next big thing, I'm just saying that I don't see it happening. He's not even the "best" Protoss right now, and there's a whole host of people ahead of him. I hate it when people judge things PURELY by results. Do you watch the games? Can you not see how good Effort is? The leagues are very cutthroat and it only takes one or two bad days to negate three months worth of effort. Even Flash couldn't scratch a RO8 for two straight seasons, which is four leagues (by the way, Movie and Effort have each made a RO8 ... and Leta made two). Since when did someone have to be JD/Flash/Bisu to be "a top Protoss". Last time I checked there could be more than one. Results in leagues matter a lot but you have to watch peoples' play as well. Effort dropped OSL and MSL last year by losing to JD/FlashBBS and Calm (the eventual champion) respectively. He dropped OSL this year by losing two ZvZs. His only really bad drop was MSL this year and even that was a tough game against mech on Odd Eye followed by a ZvZ. I would say Effort's the favorite or even against everybody except Flash and JD right now. He's probably only even against Calm, Bisu, Stork, and Zero, and personally I would bet on him against Stork or Zero for sure. Can't believe people are still labeling Effort a bust after just two seasons. Ridiculous.
Sea's always been a early dropout in leagues, yet hes always been a really really strong pl player. People think that if you don't have at least 3 leagues under your belt you suck.
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On December 20 2009 14:42 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 14:30 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 20 2009 14:07 FireGuyX wrote:On December 20 2009 13:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Movie's just gonna be another one of those "omg awesome" newcomers that just fizzle out after a season and not end up doing anything. Movie is one of the best protoss and it will stay that way for quite a while. That's what people said about Leta. Did he ever do anything spectacular outside of the season and a half in proleague? That's what people said about Effort, but now, for the second season in a row, he's out of both individual leagues. There's always going to be people who look like they're on fire, play pretty well, but never climb to the top. Not everyone can be a Jaedong or Flash or Stork or Bisu, just accept it and move on. Yes, there's still a chance for Movie to become the next big thing, I'm just saying that I don't see it happening. He's not even the "best" Protoss right now, and there's a whole host of people ahead of him. I hate it when people judge things PURELY by results. Do you watch the games? Can you not see how good Effort is? The leagues are very cutthroat and it only takes one or two bad days to negate three months worth of effort. Even Flash couldn't scratch a RO8 for two straight seasons, which is four leagues (by the way, Movie and Effort have each made a RO8 ... and Leta made two). Since when did someone have to be JD/Flash/Bisu to be "a top Protoss". Last time I checked there could be more than one. Results in leagues matter a lot but you have to watch peoples' play as well. Effort dropped OSL and MSL last year by losing to JD/FlashBBS and Calm (the eventual champion) respectively. He dropped OSL this year by losing two ZvZs. His only really bad drop was MSL this year and even that was a tough game against mech on Odd Eye followed by a ZvZ. I would say Effort's the favorite or even against everybody except Flash and JD right now. He's probably only even against Calm, Bisu, Stork, and Zero, and personally I would bet on him against Stork or Zero for sure. Can't believe people are still labeling Effort a bust after just two seasons. Ridiculous. effort is a great player and i absolutely agree with all you have to say.
now fantasy on the other hand...
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On December 20 2009 14:47 Pioneer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 14:42 darktreb wrote:On December 20 2009 14:30 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 20 2009 14:07 FireGuyX wrote:On December 20 2009 13:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Movie's just gonna be another one of those "omg awesome" newcomers that just fizzle out after a season and not end up doing anything. Movie is one of the best protoss and it will stay that way for quite a while. That's what people said about Leta. Did he ever do anything spectacular outside of the season and a half in proleague? That's what people said about Effort, but now, for the second season in a row, he's out of both individual leagues. There's always going to be people who look like they're on fire, play pretty well, but never climb to the top. Not everyone can be a Jaedong or Flash or Stork or Bisu, just accept it and move on. Yes, there's still a chance for Movie to become the next big thing, I'm just saying that I don't see it happening. He's not even the "best" Protoss right now, and there's a whole host of people ahead of him. I hate it when people judge things PURELY by results. Do you watch the games? Can you not see how good Effort is? The leagues are very cutthroat and it only takes one or two bad days to negate three months worth of effort. Even Flash couldn't scratch a RO8 for two straight seasons, which is four leagues (by the way, Movie and Effort have each made a RO8 ... and Leta made two). Since when did someone have to be JD/Flash/Bisu to be "a top Protoss". Last time I checked there could be more than one. Results in leagues matter a lot but you have to watch peoples' play as well. Effort dropped OSL and MSL last year by losing to JD/FlashBBS and Calm (the eventual champion) respectively. He dropped OSL this year by losing two ZvZs. His only really bad drop was MSL this year and even that was a tough game against mech on Odd Eye followed by a ZvZ. I would say Effort's the favorite or even against everybody except Flash and JD right now. He's probably only even against Calm, Bisu, Stork, and Zero, and personally I would bet on him against Stork or Zero for sure. Can't believe people are still labeling Effort a bust after just two seasons. Ridiculous. Sea's always been a early dropout in leagues, yet hes always been a really really strong pl player. People think that if you don't have at least 3 leagues under your belt you suck.
Yeah, the unfortunate thing with Sea is that he's clearly been VERY good for a VERY long time. But his inability to get into even the RO8 just ONCE is truly incomprehensible. He's one of the greatest anomalies in the history of SC. I think he has the biggest talent/skill to results disparity ever =(
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Set 3: (Z)Peace vs (Z)ZerO on Outsider SE
SUCH A GOOD GAME
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On December 20 2009 14:58 hyst.eric.al wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 14:42 darktreb wrote:On December 20 2009 14:30 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 20 2009 14:07 FireGuyX wrote:On December 20 2009 13:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Movie's just gonna be another one of those "omg awesome" newcomers that just fizzle out after a season and not end up doing anything. Movie is one of the best protoss and it will stay that way for quite a while. That's what people said about Leta. Did he ever do anything spectacular outside of the season and a half in proleague? That's what people said about Effort, but now, for the second season in a row, he's out of both individual leagues. There's always going to be people who look like they're on fire, play pretty well, but never climb to the top. Not everyone can be a Jaedong or Flash or Stork or Bisu, just accept it and move on. Yes, there's still a chance for Movie to become the next big thing, I'm just saying that I don't see it happening. He's not even the "best" Protoss right now, and there's a whole host of people ahead of him. I hate it when people judge things PURELY by results. Do you watch the games? Can you not see how good Effort is? The leagues are very cutthroat and it only takes one or two bad days to negate three months worth of effort. Even Flash couldn't scratch a RO8 for two straight seasons, which is four leagues (by the way, Movie and Effort have each made a RO8 ... and Leta made two). Since when did someone have to be JD/Flash/Bisu to be "a top Protoss". Last time I checked there could be more than one. Results in leagues matter a lot but you have to watch peoples' play as well. Effort dropped OSL and MSL last year by losing to JD/FlashBBS and Calm (the eventual champion) respectively. He dropped OSL this year by losing two ZvZs. His only really bad drop was MSL this year and even that was a tough game against mech on Odd Eye followed by a ZvZ. I would say Effort's the favorite or even against everybody except Flash and JD right now. He's probably only even against Calm, Bisu, Stork, and Zero, and personally I would bet on him against Stork or Zero for sure. Can't believe people are still labeling Effort a bust after just two seasons. Ridiculous. effort is a great player and i absolutely agree with all you have to say. now fantasy on the other hand...
double silvers man
CLOSE loses in the OSL finals vs Stork and Jaedong
i find that VERY difficult to fault
his play may be faulty from time to time but then again WHO'S ISNT
we all know that when fantasy is in his A game he's untouchable
now effort on the other hand
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On December 20 2009 14:30 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 14:07 FireGuyX wrote:On December 20 2009 13:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Movie's just gonna be another one of those "omg awesome" newcomers that just fizzle out after a season and not end up doing anything. Movie is one of the best protoss and it will stay that way for quite a while. That's what people said about Leta. Did he ever do anything spectacular outside of the season and a half in proleague? That's what people said about Effort, but now, for the second season in a row, he's out of both individual leagues. There's always going to be people who look like they're on fire, play pretty well, but never climb to the top. Not everyone can be a Jaedong or Flash or Stork or Bisu, just accept it and move on. Yes, there's still a chance for Movie to become the next big thing, I'm just saying that I don't see it happening. He's not even the "best" Protoss right now, and there's a whole host of people ahead of him.
His PvZ is one of the best in starcraft today, even you have to admit that. He's already improving in his PvP and PvT and will become even better at it in the future. He's already eclipsed over a 50% win rate. His micro is simply amazing which he displayed against Stork (his comeback win) and outmicroing Zero to beat him (I'm pretty sure you watched that game). One of the highlights of this season was how he beat Light and By.Hero to advance to the OSL round of 16.
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On December 20 2009 15:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 14:58 hyst.eric.al wrote:On December 20 2009 14:42 darktreb wrote:On December 20 2009 14:30 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 20 2009 14:07 FireGuyX wrote:On December 20 2009 13:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Movie's just gonna be another one of those "omg awesome" newcomers that just fizzle out after a season and not end up doing anything. Movie is one of the best protoss and it will stay that way for quite a while. That's what people said about Leta. Did he ever do anything spectacular outside of the season and a half in proleague? That's what people said about Effort, but now, for the second season in a row, he's out of both individual leagues. There's always going to be people who look like they're on fire, play pretty well, but never climb to the top. Not everyone can be a Jaedong or Flash or Stork or Bisu, just accept it and move on. Yes, there's still a chance for Movie to become the next big thing, I'm just saying that I don't see it happening. He's not even the "best" Protoss right now, and there's a whole host of people ahead of him. I hate it when people judge things PURELY by results. Do you watch the games? Can you not see how good Effort is? The leagues are very cutthroat and it only takes one or two bad days to negate three months worth of effort. Even Flash couldn't scratch a RO8 for two straight seasons, which is four leagues (by the way, Movie and Effort have each made a RO8 ... and Leta made two). Since when did someone have to be JD/Flash/Bisu to be "a top Protoss". Last time I checked there could be more than one. Results in leagues matter a lot but you have to watch peoples' play as well. Effort dropped OSL and MSL last year by losing to JD/FlashBBS and Calm (the eventual champion) respectively. He dropped OSL this year by losing two ZvZs. His only really bad drop was MSL this year and even that was a tough game against mech on Odd Eye followed by a ZvZ. I would say Effort's the favorite or even against everybody except Flash and JD right now. He's probably only even against Calm, Bisu, Stork, and Zero, and personally I would bet on him against Stork or Zero for sure. Can't believe people are still labeling Effort a bust after just two seasons. Ridiculous. effort is a great player and i absolutely agree with all you have to say. now fantasy on the other hand... double silvers man CLOSE loses in the OSL finals vs Stork and Jaedong i find that VERY difficult to fault his play may be faulty from time to time but then again WHO'S ISNT we all know that when fantasy is in his A game he's untouchable now effort on the other hand
No when Fantasy's in his A Game he loses 3-2 in a finals. =\ Far from unstoppable.
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3-1, gg MBC
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My god MBC. Thank god last season wasn't a fluke.
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On December 20 2009 16:51 gokai wrote:
My god MBC. Thank god last season wasn't a fluke.
you mean last round right? they sucked last season.
(no offense mbc fans but they did as bad as eStro / Airforce ACE
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So... what happened to Light? Can someone offer a plausible explanation as to why he is not getting played this week?
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On December 20 2009 17:58 lone_hydra wrote:
So... what happened to Light? Can someone offer a plausible explanation as to why he is not getting played this week?
The others are better I bet =)
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what looked like a possible 3-0 for woongjin turns out to be 3-1 for MBC!
HyuN have been winning some impressive opponents lately.
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On December 20 2009 17:58 lone_hydra wrote:
So... what happened to Light? Can someone offer a plausible explanation as to why he is not getting played this week?
He has the MSL to prepare for - he had to play against By.Hero in 4 days to try and get into the Ro8. MBC currently is showing quite a bit of strength and depth with Sea playing like the King of Proleague again, Hyun stepping it up and winning against some extremely good players such as Calm, Stork, and Flash, and the others members showing that they can take a game off most team's weaker players with some solid play.
So Light doesn't actually have to play since it won't really put their team into major strife. Compare this to Oz or Stars, who will likely lose 3-0 or 3-1 without their star player. Doesn't explain why Flash is playing considering how well KT is playing thus far, though I guess the kid wants to get the most proleague wins or something.
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Man MBC on a roll.
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Hell yeah Sea!
On December 20 2009 15:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 14:58 hyst.eric.al wrote:On December 20 2009 14:42 darktreb wrote:On December 20 2009 14:30 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 20 2009 14:07 FireGuyX wrote:On December 20 2009 13:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Movie's just gonna be another one of those "omg awesome" newcomers that just fizzle out after a season and not end up doing anything. Movie is one of the best protoss and it will stay that way for quite a while. That's what people said about Leta. Did he ever do anything spectacular outside of the season and a half in proleague? That's what people said about Effort, but now, for the second season in a row, he's out of both individual leagues. There's always going to be people who look like they're on fire, play pretty well, but never climb to the top. Not everyone can be a Jaedong or Flash or Stork or Bisu, just accept it and move on. Yes, there's still a chance for Movie to become the next big thing, I'm just saying that I don't see it happening. He's not even the "best" Protoss right now, and there's a whole host of people ahead of him. I hate it when people judge things PURELY by results. Do you watch the games? Can you not see how good Effort is? The leagues are very cutthroat and it only takes one or two bad days to negate three months worth of effort. Even Flash couldn't scratch a RO8 for two straight seasons, which is four leagues (by the way, Movie and Effort have each made a RO8 ... and Leta made two). Since when did someone have to be JD/Flash/Bisu to be "a top Protoss". Last time I checked there could be more than one. Results in leagues matter a lot but you have to watch peoples' play as well. Effort dropped OSL and MSL last year by losing to JD/FlashBBS and Calm (the eventual champion) respectively. He dropped OSL this year by losing two ZvZs. His only really bad drop was MSL this year and even that was a tough game against mech on Odd Eye followed by a ZvZ. I would say Effort's the favorite or even against everybody except Flash and JD right now. He's probably only even against Calm, Bisu, Stork, and Zero, and personally I would bet on him against Stork or Zero for sure. Can't believe people are still labeling Effort a bust after just two seasons. Ridiculous. effort is a great player and i absolutely agree with all you have to say. now fantasy on the other hand... double silvers man CLOSE loses in the OSL finals vs Stork and Jaedong i find that VERY difficult to fault his play may be faulty from time to time but then again WHO'S ISNT we all know that when fantasy is in his A game he's untouchable now effort on the other hand
Fantasy is on his A game when his zerg opponents didn't know to how defeat mech build or protoss that didn't know how to counter his vulture drop harass. Now that his opponents know how to counter his strategies, he is not good as he was once held up to be. The great players are those that can adapt throughout the changes in Starcraft strategies, Fantasy is not one of them. In a recent interview, his M&M play has been called abysmal.
Though no Jaedong, Effort has to carry his team in ace. In zvz, its hard to fault him for those lost due to the rock, paper, scissors of the matchup. Unlike Fantasy, Effort has been consistent for the players they are.
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On December 24 2009 12:28 [X]Ken_D wrote:Hell yeah Sea! Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 15:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On December 20 2009 14:58 hyst.eric.al wrote:On December 20 2009 14:42 darktreb wrote:On December 20 2009 14:30 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 20 2009 14:07 FireGuyX wrote:On December 20 2009 13:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Movie's just gonna be another one of those "omg awesome" newcomers that just fizzle out after a season and not end up doing anything. Movie is one of the best protoss and it will stay that way for quite a while. That's what people said about Leta. Did he ever do anything spectacular outside of the season and a half in proleague? That's what people said about Effort, but now, for the second season in a row, he's out of both individual leagues. There's always going to be people who look like they're on fire, play pretty well, but never climb to the top. Not everyone can be a Jaedong or Flash or Stork or Bisu, just accept it and move on. Yes, there's still a chance for Movie to become the next big thing, I'm just saying that I don't see it happening. He's not even the "best" Protoss right now, and there's a whole host of people ahead of him. I hate it when people judge things PURELY by results. Do you watch the games? Can you not see how good Effort is? The leagues are very cutthroat and it only takes one or two bad days to negate three months worth of effort. Even Flash couldn't scratch a RO8 for two straight seasons, which is four leagues (by the way, Movie and Effort have each made a RO8 ... and Leta made two). Since when did someone have to be JD/Flash/Bisu to be "a top Protoss". Last time I checked there could be more than one. Results in leagues matter a lot but you have to watch peoples' play as well. Effort dropped OSL and MSL last year by losing to JD/FlashBBS and Calm (the eventual champion) respectively. He dropped OSL this year by losing two ZvZs. His only really bad drop was MSL this year and even that was a tough game against mech on Odd Eye followed by a ZvZ. I would say Effort's the favorite or even against everybody except Flash and JD right now. He's probably only even against Calm, Bisu, Stork, and Zero, and personally I would bet on him against Stork or Zero for sure. Can't believe people are still labeling Effort a bust after just two seasons. Ridiculous. effort is a great player and i absolutely agree with all you have to say. now fantasy on the other hand... double silvers man CLOSE loses in the OSL finals vs Stork and Jaedong i find that VERY difficult to fault his play may be faulty from time to time but then again WHO'S ISNT we all know that when fantasy is in his A game he's untouchable now effort on the other hand Fantasy is on his A game when his zerg opponents didn't know to how defeat mech build or protoss that didn't know how to counter his vulture drop harass. Now that his opponents know how to counter his strategies, he is not good as he was once held up to be. The great players are those that can adapt throughout the changes in Starcraft strategies, Fantasy is not one of them. In a recent interview, his M&M play has been called abysmal. Though no Jaedong, Effort has to carry his team in ace. In zvz, its hard to fault him for those lost due to the rock, paper, scissors of the matchup. Unlike Fantasy, Effort has been consistent for the players they are.
he has one bad month and you jump down his throat. It takes time to adapt man. It takes time to solve whats wrong and figure out a solution. I hate people who use 1-2 weeks of results to call a player good or bad.
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