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Syntax Lost
Profile Joined May 2009
Finland86 Posts
October 15 2009 10:19 GMT
#141
On October 15 2009 19:02 okum wrote:
Holy crap Flash, you scared me there.

Can anyone explain why Daezang's first push was able to do so much damage?


I wasn't watching too closely, but it looks like he was playing his fast upgrades build which is already vulnerable to timing attacks. The added dropship play only compounded the vulnerability. I'm guessing Daezang practiced hard to hit the timing window against fast upgrades but didn't expect the drop against him which cut down his reinforcements. Had he not bungled against the drop so spectacularly, I'm pretty sure we'd be seeing a lot of Flash fan tears right now amongst cries of Protoss imbalance.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
October 15 2009 10:21 GMT
#142
On October 15 2009 19:18 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Daezan G had a really early third and a lot of units when he attacked, even after the probe rape. Flash was building a CC and trying to get an econ advantage at the time and Daezang chose a great time to attack. Flash didn't do anything wrong that game, Daezan just made a good call and came up a bit short to Flash's superior play (The ninja expo helped but honestly the roll that happened at the end there, I'm not sure he needed it).


Yeah the Probe explosion definitely didn't affect the 3 base timing push that he was going for anyway.
InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
October 15 2009 10:21 GMT
#143
lol konas stream they were singing in swedish hahahahaha

Korean anime dubbed with swedish wtf
Stork protoss legend
Raiju
Profile Joined December 2007
Australia235 Posts
October 15 2009 10:21 GMT
#144
Any doing aussie stream?
Charlee
Profile Joined August 2009
United States60 Posts
October 15 2009 10:22 GMT
#145
lol those scourge need glasses
RIP KTF/KT MagicNs
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
October 15 2009 10:22 GMT
#146
Oh wow banned for checking in on Solin's stream, jesus.
Remember Violet.
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
October 15 2009 10:22 GMT
#147
Hmm, progamers keep doing that a lot. Running corsairs back to a cannon, then stopping there, letting the scourges catch up when the corsair SHOULD be safe. Real sloppy, seen Jangbi and Bisu do it a few times as well.
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
October 15 2009 10:24 GMT
#148
On October 15 2009 19:19 Syntax Lost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2009 19:02 okum wrote:
Holy crap Flash, you scared me there.

Can anyone explain why Daezang's first push was able to do so much damage?


I wasn't watching too closely, but it looks like he was playing his fast upgrades build which is already vulnerable to timing attacks. The added dropship play only compounded the vulnerability. I'm guessing Daezang practiced hard to hit the timing window against fast upgrades but didn't expect the drop against him which cut down his reinforcements. Had he not bungled against the drop so spectacularly, I'm pretty sure we'd be seeing a lot of Flash fan tears right now amongst cries of Protoss imbalance.


Meh, Flash fans like myself have been pretty hard on him lately. Even with this win most of us are left wanting more - if he had lost he would have deserved it.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
October 15 2009 10:24 GMT
#149
On October 15 2009 19:21 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2009 19:18 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Daezan G had a really early third and a lot of units when he attacked, even after the probe rape. Flash was building a CC and trying to get an econ advantage at the time and Daezang chose a great time to attack. Flash didn't do anything wrong that game, Daezan just made a good call and came up a bit short to Flash's superior play (The ninja expo helped but honestly the roll that happened at the end there, I'm not sure he needed it).


Yeah the Probe explosion definitely didn't affect the 3 base timing push that he was going for anyway.


I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not.
Remember Violet.
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
October 15 2009 10:25 GMT
#150
Yes, put that harass on Sashin!
Then merge those into a DA and let's put all the theories to test!
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
FireS
Profile Joined December 2004
Romania415 Posts
October 15 2009 10:25 GMT
#151
On October 15 2009 19:22 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Oh wow banned for checking in on Solin's stream, jesus.


qft
back!!
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-15 10:27:16
October 15 2009 10:26 GMT
#152
On October 15 2009 19:19 Syntax Lost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2009 19:02 okum wrote:
Holy crap Flash, you scared me there.

Can anyone explain why Daezang's first push was able to do so much damage?


I wasn't watching too closely, but it looks like he was playing his fast upgrades build which is already vulnerable to timing attacks. The added dropship play only compounded the vulnerability. I'm guessing Daezang practiced hard to hit the timing window against fast upgrades but didn't expect the drop against him which cut down his reinforcements. Had he not bungled against the drop so spectacularly, I'm pretty sure we'd be seeing a lot of Flash fan tears right now amongst cries of Protoss imbalance.

Yeah, that makes sense. It's not uncommon for Flash to get hit by that early timing attack, barely hold on, then bounce back and steamroll with his upgrades finished a bit later. It just looked a bit worse than usual this time, probably because of the dropship investment. Those vultures' mines between him and Daezang's army also could've made a difference. All the probes Flash got instead probably helped him a little in the lategame, but didn't have much influence on Daezang's push since D's units were already built.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
October 15 2009 10:27 GMT
#153
gah, terrible observer jumping back and forth. :[
1000 at least.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66160 Posts
October 15 2009 10:27 GMT
#154
True Sashin style, saving his ass with DTs
POGGERS
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66160 Posts
October 15 2009 10:27 GMT
#155
WTF?

LOSES 2 HTS WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING
POGGERS
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66160 Posts
October 15 2009 10:27 GMT
#156
GG
POGGERS
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
October 15 2009 10:27 GMT
#157
What the hell was that? No storm energy?
Biggest letdown ever!
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
October 15 2009 10:28 GMT
#158
Dude wtf. Anytime defended almost perfectly during the first wave and still gets rolled. :/
siv00
Profile Joined September 2009
261 Posts
October 15 2009 10:28 GMT
#159
PvZ, fml
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
October 15 2009 10:29 GMT
#160
On October 15 2009 19:24 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2009 19:21 darktreb wrote:
On October 15 2009 19:18 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Daezan G had a really early third and a lot of units when he attacked, even after the probe rape. Flash was building a CC and trying to get an econ advantage at the time and Daezang chose a great time to attack. Flash didn't do anything wrong that game, Daezan just made a good call and came up a bit short to Flash's superior play (The ninja expo helped but honestly the roll that happened at the end there, I'm not sure he needed it).


Yeah the Probe explosion definitely didn't affect the 3 base timing push that he was going for anyway.


I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not.


Haha I didn't mean it to be sarcasm but I worded it poorly. In my opinion it didn't affect his initial wave (which was already being made, possibly because he planned it and possibly because Flash denied his 4th so many times) that he pushed with.

But of course it had repercussions afterward.
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