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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 29 2008 22:03 GMT
#141
draco thought too highly of himself i guess, and he though it would only take a couple of months for him to start winning some games. But since he didn't he gave up.
I hope IdrA knows himself better, i wish you good luck but its going to be hard, and i guess you know it.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
January 29 2008 22:13 GMT
#142
ehhh.... you guys are so easy to jump the bandwagon on the next foriegner to go to korea. I mean dont get me wrong im excited for idra and the prospect of foriegners actually being able to be taken seriously but I do not believe Idra is our savior.... He is in top five foriegners probally however, draco when he went was more active, had way higher apm(which i dont care what you say, will make a difference in korea), and was the top player outside of korea. I just think people are naieve to think draco who played tons with koreans, almost stricktly koreans, who was insanely familiar with their play and styles, was not better prepared for korea. He was not very active at all in xlo besides a few tourneys here and there, however, was playing jpod and vs many koreans non stop. Now I am not sure but i am under the impression that idra trains mostly with usa a members. please feel free to correct me if i am wrong
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UbRi
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Italy603 Posts
January 29 2008 22:37 GMT
#143
I guess the point is that even if draco was better than idra their skill was anyway too low to be taken into consideration, no matter how good they are both, they would have to improve at least x4 times to succeed, thus I think that what counts is not the skill but the willpower to improve, who knows if Idra will do better than draco, we can't actually know
Zeller
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States1109 Posts
January 29 2008 22:43 GMT
#144
I think Idra gonna get good and maybe beat a few decent names , and then come back after a year or so
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
January 29 2008 23:08 GMT
#145
idra has played plenty of koreans and plenty on hamachi. also idra used to play tons with testie who impressed koreans so much that he got an invite from CJ.

So in essence what I said means, it's not about who's the best foreigner, it's about who can handle the pressure the best and push themselves further.

Very true. I think that's the most important thing. A low-skilled player would very very quickly surpass a higher skilled player once they're both in the training environment of a pro team, so long as the low-skilled player keeps his chin up and his focus strong for 10 hours every day and the high skilled player gets frustrated and loses motivation.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
January 29 2008 23:10 GMT
#146
I think he might do as good as Assem. And if he does that, it's going to be amazing.
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We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-29 23:42:02
January 29 2008 23:41 GMT
#147
On January 30 2008 07:37 UbRi wrote:
I guess the point is that even if draco was better than idra their skill was anyway too low to be taken into consideration, no matter how good they are both, they would have to improve at least x4 times to succeed, thus I think that what counts is not the skill but the willpower to improve, who knows if Idra will do better than draco, we can't actually know
give idra 1 year, he will improve by 3 folds i just know it

and best of luck idra!
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9949 Posts
January 29 2008 23:50 GMT
#148
On January 30 2008 07:03 jkillashark wrote:
I think it's less about skill or about performance, but more about willpower to push yourself to match and go beyond the Koreans. It's definitely true not everybody was made to be a progamer. But those who do show the potential by no means is the best. They have to push theirselves to the point where they are showing all that their potential is worth. Hopefully when eSTRO decided to recruit IdrA, they saw that potential. I pray for the best willpower to be bestowed in IdrA and hopes that he does well in Korea.

So in essence what I said means, it's not about who's the best foreigner, it's about who can handle the pressure the best and push themselves further. Without a doubt Pj and Lx were top foreign gamers, but after a year and a half, they were just starting to lack the willpower as did Draco.

I fully agree. I mean they could take someone low in the top 200 foreigners, and make him top 10 in a couple of months with the training they have in korea, if he's talented. So talent and devotion are way more valuable than current skill level.
The question is: when he arrives in korea, will he not get bored by losing 90% of the time day in day out for an entire year. Only the most motivated persons get through that stage without getting sick of BW.
And yeah ofcourse he also lacks alot of social contact in korea, but judging by uh.. a few things.. he already lacked it in the US
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toopham
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States551 Posts
January 30 2008 00:49 GMT
#149
[QUOTE]On January 30 2008 08:50 RaGe wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 30 2008 07:03 jkillashark wrote:
also lacks alot of social contact in korea, but judging by uh.. a few things.. he already lacked it in the US[/QUOTE]

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DIE!!!
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
January 30 2008 01:13 GMT
#150
Wow, I just met Idra not that long ago at a LAN. Congratulations, Idra.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-30 01:25:49
January 30 2008 01:23 GMT
#151
Ya, you know that feeling when you start winning a lot against some pretty good competition, you start feeling pretty good about your skill. Like "hey, I'm starting to get this game figured out". Then you meet a truly top gamer who just rapes you so easily, as if he weren't trying. I don't know about you but things like that are realllllyy demotivating. Imagine that feeling several hours a day, for several months at a time. This is what you have to go through to make it in progaming. If you can endure that and still maintain your drive, focus, desire, and most importantly; the belief that you can be the best. Then, and only then, would a player have the chance to succeed in korea. That takes some incredible will power to say the least. Especially when you know from the beggining how stacked the odds are against you.

I must say Idra seems the most commited and reasonable of any gamer I've seen recently.
He has admitted himself that he may have no chance of making it, but even then hes willing to go and try. This is a situation that hasn't really happened before. All the other gamers already had high hopes going into it. As someone mentioned with draco, this lead to them becomming demotivated really quickly.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
January 30 2008 03:06 GMT
#152
Do we really know the "true" reason why Draco left Korea ? I thought that someone with his passion wouldn't be so easily de-motivated. I believe that there were other reasons for him leaving. I wish SunCow had made it though. I'd love to see a foreign zerg in korea. Has there even been one ?
Oh you mad cause i'm stylin on you
Kingsp4de20
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States716 Posts
January 30 2008 19:58 GMT
#153
[QUOTE]On January 30 2008 09:49 toopham wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 30 2008 08:50 RaGe wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 30 2008 07:03 jkillashark wrote:
also lacks alot of social contact in korea, but judging by uh.. a few things.. he already lacked it in the US[/QUOTE]

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HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAA[/QUOTE]

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kramus
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1259 Posts
January 30 2008 20:19 GMT
#154
So this means we're going to see idra on TLPD soon right??
Pwntrucci[sR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1519 Posts
January 30 2008 20:44 GMT
#155
I don't think losing a ton is that bad for moral. When I started playing on pgt I went 10-150 and it didn't bother me in the slightest. Also I believe Idra is leaving feb 15th.
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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
January 30 2008 20:49 GMT
#156
On January 30 2008 07:13 likeaboss wrote:
ehhh.... you guys are so easy to jump the bandwagon on the next foriegner to go to korea. I mean dont get me wrong im excited for idra and the prospect of foriegners actually being able to be taken seriously but I do not believe Idra is our savior.... He is in top five foriegners probally however, draco when he went was more active, had way higher apm(which i dont care what you say, will make a difference in korea), and was the top player outside of korea. I just think people are naieve to think draco who played tons with koreans, almost stricktly koreans, who was insanely familiar with their play and styles, was not better prepared for korea. He was not very active at all in xlo besides a few tourneys here and there, however, was playing jpod and vs many koreans non stop. Now I am not sure but i am under the impression that idra trains mostly with usa a members. please feel free to correct me if i am wrong

agreed. draco/pj, and idk who else > idra, yes, they quit the korean scene but man, theyre great.
LumberJack
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3355 Posts
January 30 2008 21:52 GMT
#157
On January 30 2008 08:08 NonY[rC] wrote:
also idra used to play tons with testie who impressed koreans so much that he got an invite from CJ.


I think that was probably just a false rumor ;( not that it matters
Man fears the darkness, and so he scrapes away at the edges of it with fire.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 30 2008 22:08 GMT
#158
On January 31 2008 05:44 Pwntrucci[sR] wrote:
I don't think losing a ton is that bad for moral. When I started playing on pgt I went 10-150 and it didn't bother me in the slightest. Also I believe Idra is leaving feb 15th.


how can you lose like that?
didnt you do this strat?

[image loading]

According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-30 22:25:29
January 30 2008 22:25 GMT
#159
On January 31 2008 06:52 LumberJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2008 08:08 NonY[rC] wrote:
also idra used to play tons with testie who impressed koreans so much that he got an invite from CJ.


I think that was probably just a false rumor ;( not that it matters


<3 LumberJack, lol.

Oh you mad cause i'm stylin on you
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
January 30 2008 22:28 GMT
#160
On January 31 2008 07:08 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2008 05:44 Pwntrucci[sR] wrote:
I don't think losing a ton is that bad for moral. When I started playing on pgt I went 10-150 and it didn't bother me in the slightest. Also I believe Idra is leaving feb 15th.


how can you lose like that?
didnt you do this strat?

[image loading]



u should post this pic in a korean forum

with Teamliquid.net tag on it
w/e
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