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On December 14 2007 15:04 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:
OMG! How the fuck did I miss this thread seriously, tl.net members such good fellas. Nice work for all the investigators and wtf man :S
I dont feel no comfortable at all playing UMS maps anymore, I wonder if this shit happens in fucking pro scene? BISU > Savior 3-0 Mind > Bisu ? :S makes me wonder
Well it did happend in TFT. Some map maker rigged maps since he thought tha games were too imba or something. Dont remember all the details about it.
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thedeadhaji
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On December 15 2007 22:13 Eatme wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2007 15:04 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:
OMG! How the fuck did I miss this thread seriously, tl.net members such good fellas. Nice work for all the investigators and wtf man :S
I dont feel no comfortable at all playing UMS maps anymore, I wonder if this shit happens in fucking pro scene? BISU > Savior 3-0 Mind > Bisu ? :S makes me wonder
Well it did happend in TFT. Some map maker rigged maps since he thought tha games were too imba or something. Dont remember all the details about it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=37677#8
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=61234¤tpage=10#185
On March 12 2006 21:20 Ice_MY wrote:
MBC Map Scandals:
1) Star.Werra on BlueRose
- Star noticed something was not right when his ghoul speed research took so long to be upgraded (real upgrade time is 45seconds)
- Star decided to retire as MBC didnt want to offer him a regame or fix the map
- Eventually a regame was given on a different map but Star lost and retired
- The bug in the upgrade was due to a "glitch" and was not done intentionally
2) Freedom.WeRRa vs ReX.Romeo
- Freedom.WeRRa lost his semi final match to ReX.Romeo
- After that game, Dayfly and Moon decided to study the VODs when both of them noticed that Orc seemed exceptionally strong
- Suspecting something amiss Dayfly decided to get hold of the map and got his friend who was a programmer (READ: P-R-O-G-R-A-M-M-E-R) to unravel the code
- They found out that the maps had been intentionally programed to help Orc have an unfair advantage over Night Elf
- Dayfly went public with his findings and an investigation was launched, turns out that the map-maker did it "on purpose without knowledge of MBC Game". The reason was that "he felt a Night Elf vs Night Elf finals would be boring" (the winner of this match was supposed to face Moon)
- Mapmaker admits his mistake and is fired from MBC.
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Netherlands19138 Posts
On December 15 2007 22:44 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2007 22:13 Eatme wrote:On December 14 2007 15:04 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:
OMG! How the fuck did I miss this thread seriously, tl.net members such good fellas. Nice work for all the investigators and wtf man :S
I dont feel no comfortable at all playing UMS maps anymore, I wonder if this shit happens in fucking pro scene? BISU > Savior 3-0 Mind > Bisu ? :S makes me wonder
Well it did happend in TFT. Some map maker rigged maps since he thought tha games were too imba or something. Dont remember all the details about it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=37677#8http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=61234¤tpage=10#185Show nested quote +On March 12 2006 21:20 Ice_MY wrote:
MBC Map Scandals:
1) Star.Werra on BlueRose
- Star noticed something was not right when his ghoul speed research took so long to be upgraded (real upgrade time is 45seconds)
- Star decided to retire as MBC didnt want to offer him a regame or fix the map
- Eventually a regame was given on a different map but Star lost and retired
- The bug in the upgrade was due to a "glitch" and was not done intentionally
2) Freedom.WeRRa vs ReX.Romeo
- Freedom.WeRRa lost his semi final match to ReX.Romeo
- After that game, Dayfly and Moon decided to study the VODs when both of them noticed that Orc seemed exceptionally strong
- Suspecting something amiss Dayfly decided to get hold of the map and got his friend who was a programmer (READ: P-R-O-G-R-A-M-M-E-R) to unravel the code
- They found out that the maps had been intentionally programed to help Orc have an unfair advantage over Night Elf
- Dayfly went public with his findings and an investigation was launched, turns out that the map-maker did it "on purpose without knowledge of MBC Game". The reason was that "he felt a Night Elf vs Night Elf finals would be boring" (the winner of this match was supposed to face Moon)
- Mapmaker admits his mistake and is fired from MBC.
Lol, wow thats some seriously bad stuff right there. Didn't know that happened ;o.
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Another interesting "map bug" is the game at blizzcon between yellow and reach where the map allowed the reaver damage upgrade to be researched multiple (maybe infinite?) times. Reach upgraded it 3 times but still lost the game
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On December 15 2007 23:18 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Another interesting "map bug" is the game at blizzcon between yellow and reach where the map allowed the reaver damage upgrade to be researched multiple (maybe infinite?) times. Reach upgraded it 3 times but still lost the game
IIRC it was Mondragon, and he won the game anyway 
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Itd be good to ask the commentators and progamers what they think of such scandals and if they ever think/worry about them taking place.
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k time to put this back on topic.
Lastshadow is a faggot.
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the rep vs idra i think he lowered the cost of a nexus to 200, maybe less. Jesus fuck, idra played amazing.
Is rexplorer or something the tool i suie to extract a map from a replay?
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On December 17 2007 10:25 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
the rep vs idra i think he lowered the cost of a nexus to 200, maybe less. Jesus fuck, idra played amazing.
Is rexplorer or something the tool i suie to extract a map from a replay?
Yes, you can also extract the map picture and many more things, you should try it out!
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YAY! QUICK! TO THE SEARCH FUNCTION!
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I went through his WGT replays, extracted the maps from his replays, and unlocked them. Nothing out of the ordinary -_-
Does this mean: HE ACTUALLY WON WITHOUT CHEATING? :O
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where can ! find the rep vs idra with 200 mineral nexus?? lolol I want to see that
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On December 15 2007 22:13 Eatme wrote:
Well it did happend in TFT. Some map maker rigged maps since he thought tha games were too imba or something. Dont remember all the details about it.
DayFly, an Orc, found out that MBC rigged the maps in favor of Orcs and in disfavor of Night Elf to reduce the number of NE players in the 2005 MBC Prime league. Elf wasn't really imba at the time (1.15 was Undead's patch with FoV and Mad[Q]FroG winning everything), but still Spirit_Moon went over the rig and won the damn thing with one of the most dominant televised performance in the history of pro gaming. A 25-0 televised winning streak, against the best of the best, is unheard of.
It was rigged only because Koreans much preffered the Night Elf race. Not because of balance, but because of the appeal it had on Koreans as a whole. 40% of Koreans played Night Elf, mostly because of Jang Jae Ho (Moon), who had the appeal Boxer had on SC players. Just think of how many Terrans there was at the height of Boxer's carrer. And how many Protoss there are at the height of Bisu's career now.
Back to the subject, this scandal, needless to say, killed WC3 in Korea. Freedom (yes, the one in Samsung Khan), who many thought would become the best Human player in a short amount of time, left WC3 for SC in disgust. Luckily China was just starting to play online in 2005, so the game was saved. And Europe is still very strong.
We are lucky it's LastShadow who rigged it and not a professionnal mapmaker paid by MBC, and ordered by MBC to do this.
Let's just say the WC3 population had a lot of respect for DayFly after this, and everybody was saddened when he left for his military service.
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I didn't even know you could play on a rigged map... <_<
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how is it possible that freedom was one of the best progamers in wc3 and now one of the better progamers for sc, is he really a rts genius or something
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He's one of the better progamers in SC? He's average at best.
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Freedom's a good SC player, but in pro circles, I doubt he's even top 50.
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Kau
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Edit: Wrong thread, was suppose to put this in Clan Art Thread T_T sorry!
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