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[ASL6] Finals Analysis - God is Dead - Page 3

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Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
November 14 2018 11:56 GMT
#41
I, for one, also really dislike the way this Flash loss is handled, specifically by BigFan. If it was just a random user I would have let it go long time ago as a fan of Flash trying to find excuses why his player lost. Bad play in game 4, nerves, whatever.

Kind of the same feeling I always have had whenever JD play against Flash. JD always "seems" to be making bad decisions and mismicro, but as has been proven Flash makes him do this because Flash knows how to counter JD and make him look bad. But I am a fanboy of JD, so I have had a really hard time acknowledging the fact that Flash just plays better than him, even though to me it very often seems like JD makes mistakes against Flash.



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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-14 15:52:31
November 14 2018 15:52 GMT
#42
On November 14 2018 03:35 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2018 01:13 JieXian wrote:
On November 13 2018 22:52 Cele wrote:
Let's just agree the better player [on that day] won. It is as simple as that. Going into the rabbit hole of bringing up wrist pain, nerves, nervous bowels or w/e if your favorite player loses is not the way to go.


Yes, and chalking it up to "tough talk" influencing Flash? He's Flash for god's sake. People should acknowledge the level of thought and skill displayed by both players out of respect. Like Pauline said, Effort's defense in G5 was outstanding, any other Zerg might have died there.

I find Mr Fan's comment to be out of line and highly questionable.


I don't agree. It's well known bigfan is, well, a big fan of Flash. He also acknowledget the level of play shown by effort. I think he sometimes feels the pain as a fan of Flash heavy when he loses, which is perfectly normal. People have their private player bias like you and me, even when they are editor in chief (;

If it was Bisu, i might be the one chalking it up to something but not his opponent!

On November 14 2018 04:59 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2018 01:13 JieXian wrote:
On November 13 2018 22:52 Cele wrote:
Let's just agree the better player [on that day] won. It is as simple as that. Going into the rabbit hole of bringing up wrist pain, nerves, nervous bowels or w/e if your favorite player loses is not the way to go.


Yes, and chalking it up to "tough talk" influencing Flash? He's Flash for god's sake. People should acknowledge the level of thought and skill displayed by both players out of respect. Like Pauline said, Effort's defense in G5 was outstanding, any other Zerg might have died there.

I find Mr Fan's comment to be out of line and highly questionable.

you should go back and read my comment on this mate. I respect EffOrt for the skills shown, but it was clear that Flash was nervous as well, and that double science facility proves it. EffOrt got into Flash's head by the time game 5 came around, and it showed. I don't personally have a problem with game 5, I think EffOrt played well to counter what Flash threw at him, and Flash was already defeated mentally. Having said that, game 4's execution was terrible from Flash's side, no argument about it. Don't plan to write more on this as I've already wrote a lot as is, so pick at it as you like ^^


Sorry, reading back I should say that the post wasn't that serious an accusation and most of it was a joke to use a particular phrase as many times as I could. I thought my underlining would have communicated it.

Still, please don't state assumptions like "tough talk" influencing Flash unless Flash said it himself. It's true that the entire post wasn't garbage, but imagine if Martin Luther King giving his famous "I have a dream" speech and suddenly talking halfway about having a dream about getting it on with Marylin Monroe.

It affects the entire speech.
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
November 14 2018 16:23 GMT
#43
Majority of people thought Flash was invincible which I was okay with. But it was really annoying when I saw everyone saying Jaedong is better than Effort and that Effort had no chance to do well. Those guys are the same caliber so now this result is the proof. People were talking like Effort was a B-teamer. All in all it was very annoying, so this is karma.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 14 2018 19:24 GMT
#44
On November 14 2018 20:56 Ota Solgryn wrote:
I, for one, also really dislike the way this Flash loss is handled, specifically by BigFan. If it was just a random user I would have let it go long time ago as a fan of Flash trying to find excuses why his player lost. Bad play in game 4, nerves, whatever.

Kind of the same feeling I always have had whenever JD play against Flash. JD always "seems" to be making bad decisions and mismicro, but as has been proven Flash makes him do this because Flash knows how to counter JD and make him look bad. But I am a fanboy of JD, so I have had a really hard time acknowledging the fact that Flash just plays better than him, even though to me it very often seems like JD makes mistakes against Flash.




Well, I am entitled to my opinion like everyone else. Funny part is, I've complimented EffOrt's game in pretty much every single post I've written, since I realize it's not easy to perform against the GOAT, yet somehow speculating that Flash was nervous or that he had subpar execution in a single game out of five somehow made the experience that much worse?

+ Show Spoiler +
First off, congrats to EffOrt on the win.

+ Show Spoiler +
So, yes, the victory was well deserved, but in some games, it felt like Flash didn't play like himself. Maybe he was a bit nervous, felt like it when watching the interview early on. He also kept sticking to the same idea. He knows that EffOrt knows this, and kept going at it. The Flash I know wouldn't try to be that predictive imo... Anyways, congrats to him again. Hopefully he doesn't fade away like he did after VANT.

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I respect EffOrt for the skills shown, but it was clear that Flash was nervous as well, and that double science facility proves it.


At this point, I'm ducking out of this conversation. People are free to believe what they like. Seeing as Flash will be going to the military soon, and we've been hearing the whole Tesagi talk pop up again, this was a decent end to quiet things down again.The next test will be to see what EffOrt does next, and if he can maintain his form.

On November 15 2018 00:52 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2018 03:35 Cele wrote:
On November 14 2018 01:13 JieXian wrote:
On November 13 2018 22:52 Cele wrote:
Let's just agree the better player [on that day] won. It is as simple as that. Going into the rabbit hole of bringing up wrist pain, nerves, nervous bowels or w/e if your favorite player loses is not the way to go.


Yes, and chalking it up to "tough talk" influencing Flash? He's Flash for god's sake. People should acknowledge the level of thought and skill displayed by both players out of respect. Like Pauline said, Effort's defense in G5 was outstanding, any other Zerg might have died there.

I find Mr Fan's comment to be out of line and highly questionable.


I don't agree. It's well known bigfan is, well, a big fan of Flash. He also acknowledget the level of play shown by effort. I think he sometimes feels the pain as a fan of Flash heavy when he loses, which is perfectly normal. People have their private player bias like you and me, even when they are editor in chief (;

If it was Bisu, i might be the one chalking it up to something but not his opponent!

Show nested quote +
On November 14 2018 04:59 BigFan wrote:
On November 14 2018 01:13 JieXian wrote:
On November 13 2018 22:52 Cele wrote:
Let's just agree the better player [on that day] won. It is as simple as that. Going into the rabbit hole of bringing up wrist pain, nerves, nervous bowels or w/e if your favorite player loses is not the way to go.


Yes, and chalking it up to "tough talk" influencing Flash? He's Flash for god's sake. People should acknowledge the level of thought and skill displayed by both players out of respect. Like Pauline said, Effort's defense in G5 was outstanding, any other Zerg might have died there.

I find Mr Fan's comment to be out of line and highly questionable.

you should go back and read my comment on this mate. I respect EffOrt for the skills shown, but it was clear that Flash was nervous as well, and that double science facility proves it. EffOrt got into Flash's head by the time game 5 came around, and it showed. I don't personally have a problem with game 5, I think EffOrt played well to counter what Flash threw at him, and Flash was already defeated mentally. Having said that, game 4's execution was terrible from Flash's side, no argument about it. Don't plan to write more on this as I've already wrote a lot as is, so pick at it as you like ^^


Sorry, reading back I should say that the post wasn't that serious an accusation and most of it was a joke to use a particular phrase as many times as I could. I thought my underlining would have communicated it.

Still, please don't state assumptions like "tough talk" influencing Flash unless Flash said it himself. It's true that the entire post wasn't garbage, but imagine if Martin Luther King giving his famous "I have a dream" speech and suddenly talking halfway about having a dream about getting it on with Marylin Monroe.

It affects the entire speech.

Fair enough, remove the tough talk stuff if you like. It was merely a quick comment that I made. From my perspective, and yes I'm speculating, Flash seemed nervous facing EffOrt, more so than usual. Whether that started affecting him later, or earlier is anyone's guess, but it was in full swing by the end.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Jragon
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1471 Posts
November 15 2018 07:07 GMT
#45
Has Flash done a stream analysis of the games as he often does? Any link if so?
"Bisu is just too good." - Jaedong (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218995) "Bisu hyung's play is just too good" - Flash (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225861)
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
November 15 2018 07:19 GMT
#46
I don't know about Flash but Jaedong did some commentary


I don't understand korean though.
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Kurao
Profile Joined April 2018
215 Posts
November 15 2018 12:42 GMT
#47
Immense analysis, love the dramatic Nietzschean tone. I think it really makes for a great storyline that a player like EffOrt who hasn't had the biggest success in the post-KeSpa era is still, after a decade, the achilles heel for the 3-time ASL champion and greatest of all time.
Kurao
Profile Joined April 2018
215 Posts
November 15 2018 12:43 GMT
#48
On November 15 2018 16:19 JieXian wrote:
I don't know about Flash but Jaedong did some commentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiBxE52etKo

I don't understand korean though.

JD is really into it at the start lol
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
November 15 2018 17:19 GMT
#49
I dont think flash coming in with a single game plan is really all that surprising-- hes done it before, notably going 14cc three times in a row against Jaedongs 9 pool, for instance. The ultimate weapon glitches sometimes, or so went the joke.
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 17 2018 08:13 GMT
#50
Flash underwent serious arm surgery and was away from playing while recovering. I don't believe he's physically quite the same since, unfortunately. If that never happened, I'm convinced he would still be untouchable god tier. He deserves tons of respect that he can still make it to the very top after having undergone that.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
-visnu-
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia149 Posts
November 17 2018 13:25 GMT
#51
On November 12 2018 11:39 XenOsky wrote:
EffOrt = Nietzsche?


Jordan B Peterson.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
November 17 2018 19:20 GMT
#52
Thank you for analysis. I am just missing the explanation of how did Effort solve 1-1-1? So was it mind gaming and early aggression to put Flash into uncomfortable mental spot?
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-17 19:54:10
November 17 2018 19:51 GMT
#53
On November 17 2018 22:25 -visnu- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2018 11:39 XenOsky wrote:
EffOrt = Nietzsche?


Jordan B Peterson.


Well it depends on what you mean by "EffOrt" and what you mean by "Nietzsche"! Is EffOrt simply "Kim Jung Woo"? Is he the almighty Alien Zerg or the feminine manifestation of the chaos of Flash's spirituality? If it's the latter, what do you mean by spirituality?

Don't even get me started on Nietzsche, no it's not pronounced Nee-cher like knee jerk. You have to pronounce it well first to give him and most of all yourself the respect you all deserve.

- Jordan B Peterson
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soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
November 23 2018 22:45 GMT
#54
thanks for the writeup
ace hwaiting!!
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