MBC
I'm watching quite a cool PvT on longinus right now and it's been going on for like 30 mins.
It's proving quite conclusively why PvT is such a bitch. The T has 4 base, 2 mined out. The P has 8, 3 mined out. And yet the T is holding his own with evil terrain usage, tanks, mines, golis and EMP. He's actually just pushed out vs insane numbers and has taken the entire centre high ground. He's fighting arbiters, stormers, zealbombs, goons, reavers, the entire protoss tech tree from 5 mining bases and holding.

What can I do vs this kind of thing but add another 10 gates and wait for him to be mined out (which is what the P has just done)?

Manifesto7

Osaka27180 Posts

March 26 2007 12:14 GMT

#527

Yeah that was a cool game.

I thought the protoss could have been a lot more offensive with his recalls, going for the t main etc. His reavers were super good at slowing down the terran.

P was also slow at clearing out the middle of mines a lot of times. He constantly fought up a ramp rather than down it.

And of course, one of Manifesto's super pet peeves, he often stasied the front tanks rather than the rear ones, preventing him from making critical breakthroughs.

SonuvBob

Aiur21552 Posts

March 26 2007 12:21 GMT

#528

On OGN: Boxer vs Pusan - So1 Semifinals Game 3 (I think) on RoV
(while we're on the subject of poor use of arbiters)

Fun micro bit is over, now it's macro time.

Btw Mani, pm4joo

Manifesto7

Osaka27180 Posts

March 26 2007 12:29 GMT

#529

MBC showing oov vs much ace game on longinus in their longinus focus.

Fun stuff ^^

Bob I will get back to you before I leave I promise.

KwarK

United States44453 Posts

March 26 2007 12:41 GMT

#530

Was thinking on these PvTs and I observed that T always fight on their own terms. I'm no T player but is the general principle that you have mines in front of and around about 3 tanks, vultures around those tanks and then about 15 tanks placed further back. If he attacks the vults pick off any zees they can and then fall back into the mine free zone between the tanks. The zees all clump towards those 3 tanks and get hurt by the mines that litter the area. Vults continue to own the zees which crowd around those tanks and then fall back to just in front of the mass of tanks. Protoss is now faced with very few zees (evil mines) and a lot of focussed tank firepower pushing into his goons. He is, in short, fucked.
Is there anything you can really do about this? 2-3 tanks can't be ignored but by taking the bait you commit yourself to either heavy losses or a battle on his terms. And if you retreat he'll move the entire clump forwards, destroying the mines in areas that he'll put his clump of tanks on.

SonuvBob

Aiur21552 Posts

March 26 2007 12:46 GMT

#531

I think the best thing you can do (tactically) PvT is force the terran to fight out of position. Just don't let him get set up properly. Zealot bombs/mine dragging are fun as hell too.

Anytime's DTs vs Zerg PP game on OGN now.

Oh, it's vs YellOw. LastRomantic, cover your eyes

Last Romantic

United States20667 Posts

March 26 2007 12:51 GMT

#532

You didn't know the Anytime DT rush was vs YellOw?

it makes me cry every time I see it.

YellOw sends his units in little batches to get slaughtered, then groups all his ovies in the WRONG place... wow. so bad.

Why is YellOw always the guy who has to lose when new star rises?

NaDa, oov, sea, anytime, xellos, others that I'm too lazy to name right now... T-T

SonuvBob

Aiur21552 Posts

March 26 2007 12:54 GMT

#533

Never actually saw the game.

Yeah, that ovie grouping.... wow

Red_Dragon

Croatia2862 Posts

March 26 2007 17:56 GMT

#534

They are showing 4U vs Suma go team league fight

Ra vs Oov @ MBC

edit:

Rage vs Oov now

Elsi

United Kingdom8173 Posts

March 26 2007 18:20 GMT

#535

oov in his younger days! hehe

gameguard

Korea (South)2132 Posts

March 27 2007 10:59 GMT

#536

AHHHHH GARIMTO vs BOXER finals

I think its the epic game where boxer tries to set up contain and garimto keeps fighting it back with shuttle and shit. This was the first SC vod i ever watched lol

oh its on OGN

ok... its not as epic as i rememberd it lol. Probably cus that guy is analyzing it and u cant hear the commentators/fans.

Manifesto7

Osaka27180 Posts

March 28 2007 11:16 GMT

#537

MBC is just showing a bunch of pringles MSL games back to back. Daezang vs Savior is just finishing. That game shows Saviors management so well. Anyone else would have died to that rush.