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HowitZer
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1610 Posts
November 07 2005 08:11 GMT
#81
On November 07 2005 01:32 gulii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2005 22:10 HowitZer wrote:
Good games, thanks for hosting. Anytime's play is really entertaining to watch. Boxer going wraiths in last game was really bad play imo. Why not go BCs?


Because P has storm. The reason why Boxer made wriaths was to cloke. But anytime had to much observers + corsairs with his carriers..


Wraiths are so weak and no one is ever surprised by cloak anymore especially a seasoned pro like anytime. The wraiths were a complete loss except for a few obs and maybe one carrier killed. Also storm isn't very effective vs bcs if you micro them well and keep them over terrain unreachable by ground units. I think cloaking is a worse reason to go wraiths then storm is a reason not go bcs.
Human teleportation, molecular decimation, breakdown and reformation is inherently purging. It makes a man acute.
Darki[Per]
Profile Joined November 2005
Peru689 Posts
November 07 2005 08:32 GMT
#82
On November 07 2005 17:11 HowitZer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2005 01:32 gulii wrote:
On November 06 2005 22:10 HowitZer wrote:
Good games, thanks for hosting. Anytime's play is really entertaining to watch. Boxer going wraiths in last game was really bad play imo. Why not go BCs?


Because P has storm. The reason why Boxer made wriaths was to cloke. But anytime had to much observers + corsairs with his carriers..


Wraiths are so weak and no one is ever surprised by cloak anymore especially a seasoned pro like anytime. The wraiths were a complete loss except for a few obs and maybe one carrier killed. Also storm isn't very effective vs bcs if you micro them well and keep them over terrain unreachable by ground units. I think cloaking is a worse reason to go wraiths then storm is a reason not go bcs.
papi will explain Carrier+corsa+too many observers vs mass wraiths = gg terran bye bye
El Papitoss
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
November 07 2005 09:18 GMT
#83
On November 05 2005 23:37 Vo- wrote:
I have a shit connection. Since I would be luck to get one of these games which would you say is the most exciting to watch?


If you like a lot of action then 1st game on ROV is definately the best of the series. 2nd best would be the 2nd game on 815. Amazing shuttle play and lots of action.
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NoName
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1558 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-07 11:26:45
November 07 2005 09:35 GMT
#84
It's not unusual tactic.

Surprise cloaked wraiths did work against an even more seasoned pro than AnyTime.

Boxer killed ForU in MSL a few weeks ago in BO3 with mass cloak wraiths in one game, to come back from what looked to be a lost situation. ForU, in hindsight was dumb, he just running his carriers around without obs, going after expos, and lost 7 carriers in 15 seconds when cloaked wraiths suddenly appeared. Boxer just always knows when protoss is building carriers. Or maybe he had a few obs which I didn't notice (I already deleted the VOD so I'm not sure), and Boxer just killed them really quick.

GoodFriend also finished off a game vs intotherainbow in MSL with wraiths too, though rainbow was behind already and carriers was a desperation tactic.

Xellos used cloak wraits vs anytime's carriers game 3 of QFs and chased them off, and may have turned the game if he had more wraiths, or if he was Boxer. Anytime definitely learned the importance of anti-cloak wraith defense for his carriers in this game first hand.

Boxer didn't make a mistake in going wraith against carriers. It was only seemed a mistake because it was against AnyTime who seems to be always prepared for anything his opponent can throw at him by midgame.

By that point of game 5, it was a loss for Boxer. He wasn't going to make one of his miracle comebacks against Anytime. But it wasn't for lack of trying.
Wam-bam-ba-boom! Bada-bing!
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
November 07 2005 09:40 GMT
#85
awesome, thanks alot...took me 30 mins to get all downloaded
Bergkamp ftw!
Flyingsnow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Japan208 Posts
November 08 2005 11:20 GMT
#86
T_T my dl froze at 89%
pbjay
Profile Joined May 2005
173 Posts
November 08 2005 11:43 GMT
#87
Boxer's super slow expansions in game 1 and 5 confuse me. it's like he completely sacrificed his macro just to be ULTRA-safe against possible DT harassment. but he's played hundreds of TvP already he should have the confidence to deal with DT with early ebay and mines and 1 radar. in fact if he didn't have that basic confidence how could he be playing in the OSL final.
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
November 08 2005 11:53 GMT
#88
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EntertainMe
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
864 Posts
November 08 2005 11:56 GMT
#89
On November 08 2005 20:53 randomKo_Orean wrote:
i don't understand why i cant download 5 and 1 :< and trailer


these are on tracker now, gogogo!
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-08 15:50:22
November 08 2005 15:32 GMT
#90
On November 08 2005 20:43 pbjay wrote:
Boxer's super slow expansions in game 1 and 5 confuse me. it's like he completely sacrificed his macro just to be ULTRA-safe against possible DT harassment. but he's played hundreds of TvP already he should have the confidence to deal with DT with early ebay and mines and 1 radar. in fact if he didn't have that basic confidence how could he be playing in the OSL final.


Hmm, you have to consider that:
- RoV is a two players map ;
- the two starting spots are very close to each other ;
- a P can hide his tech easily with a zealot/goon on ramp ;
- Anytime loves DTs and is extremely skilled with them.

Even though early double scan + e-bay (I don't recall if he went early e-bay in game 5 as well tho) can seem a bit too much, it allowed him to scan for Anytime's build quite early in game 5 and avoid wasting minerals in turreting his main so early against a possible reaver/dt drop. Maybe he could have landed the CC first then make the second scan at natural, but he probably found out while training that 2-3 DTs waiting at nat spot can be very annoying, and that it was the best way to push them out. Just the way I see it. Boxer's nat CC in game 1 would have been delayed at least as much if he didn't have two scans.
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gulii
Profile Joined November 2004
Sweden2791 Posts
November 08 2005 16:39 GMT
#91
OMG !
Game 4 is awsome. Boxer really shows that he still CAN be the master.

But right now Anytime deserves it all
Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
November 08 2005 18:18 GMT
#92
Heh, anytime didn't take any chances in the last game. Instead he just went carriers with lots of obs and a few corsairs. No arbiter cuteness, and protected from wraith comeback. He could have tried to run boxer over with his ground army, but dang! His carrier micro is the shit. They were pretty much constantly in action while he chucked out other units and buildings.
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
sTrAtO
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Mexico1084 Posts
November 09 2005 20:56 GMT
#93
Game 2 and 5 are wrong-linked O_O, fix the links plz, i dont know how to use the TL torrent so those links are my last hope, thx
http://strato.liquidpoker.net/
Resonate
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8402 Posts
November 09 2005 20:58 GMT
#94
On November 07 2005 17:11 HowitZer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2005 01:32 gulii wrote:
On November 06 2005 22:10 HowitZer wrote:
Good games, thanks for hosting. Anytime's play is really entertaining to watch. Boxer going wraiths in last game was really bad play imo. Why not go BCs?


Because P has storm. The reason why Boxer made wriaths was to cloke. But anytime had to much observers + corsairs with his carriers..


Wraiths are so weak and no one is ever surprised by cloak anymore especially a seasoned pro like anytime. The wraiths were a complete loss except for a few obs and maybe one carrier killed. Also storm isn't very effective vs bcs if you micro them well and keep them over terrain unreachable by ground units. I think cloaking is a worse reason to go wraiths then storm is a reason not go bcs.


anytime is not a seasoned pro, this is his first major accomplishment
Memory lane in nice
kP_cHoBo
Profile Joined June 2004
United States439 Posts
November 10 2005 13:16 GMT
#95
Is it just me or does link 5 not work?
Hello
DaRkReBeL
Profile Joined October 2005
United States30 Posts
November 11 2005 15:15 GMT
#96
LINK 2 AND 5 DONT WORK
twoez4teamliquid
Profile Joined November 2005
United States47 Posts
November 21 2005 07:01 GMT
#97
dude the link has expired what do i do
2EZ 2EZ!!!
FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
November 21 2005 07:27 GMT
#98
you could try holding your breath i guess
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Sunce
Profile Joined October 2005
Poland111 Posts
November 21 2005 08:57 GMT
#99
those are still on the tracker i guess, check them out
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