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[Winner's Interview] SKT1 vs CJ - Page 2

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DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
February 13 2012 06:49 GMT
#21
Smash KT!
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
February 13 2012 06:51 GMT
#22
Wouldn't it be hillarious if the poeple who lost vs KT was best, soo and rain especially after this interview ?
In the woods, there lurks..
sinistral
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore859 Posts
February 13 2012 06:55 GMT
#23
On February 13 2012 15:51 Iplaythings wrote:
Wouldn't it be hillarious if the poeple who lost vs KT was best, soo and rain especially after this interview ?


Would be hilarious if Flash get his shit slapped by Sun as well.
(´・ω・`)
Nerfed
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation1132 Posts
February 13 2012 07:13 GMT
#24
Thanks for the translation.

I would like to mention, that Sun outmicroed the shit out of Horange2, so i do not get why he's getting bashed ((.
And Best managed Effort's expansions quite well, imo.
George_the_man
Profile Joined May 2011
796 Posts
February 13 2012 07:51 GMT
#25
Sun dude with 3-6 this season says he will win no matter who he plays against KT that got Stats and Flash makes so much sense as Crazy Hydra saying he can beat anyone in SKT to me but whatever , at least he really spiced that match up for me so good job with this !
Also i dont get why Soo wants to play zerg, i thought hes bad in zvz ?
And Best - such a monster in PvZ i doubt Action will be real challenge ...
Looking forward to this match and hope that KT goes heavy on T and P against SKT this time
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
February 13 2012 08:28 GMT
#26
CJ played really retardedly that game imo. Effort threw it all away when he continued with the hydras after having won the first big engagement - very frustrating to watch. Horang2 microed really really badly during his 3-gate push. And I don't understand why Movie didn't add one more canon when he saw all the hydras well in advance. Only one more canon would have saved him I think.

It looked like CJ didn't want to win.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 08:51:58
February 13 2012 08:50 GMT
#27
On February 13 2012 12:17 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 12:14 lifeisgood99 wrote:
KTFlash awaits them.

I sincerely hope someone, anyone, beats Flash this season... Such dominance is indecent.


bisu will dw

I think Bisu is the least likely of the big names to beat Flash. Stork has better PvT and still got beat up pretty bad :T

I'm thinking it's gonna have to be a TvT where Flash loses.

On February 13 2012 14:05 Kiett wrote:
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On February 13 2012 13:21 fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi wrote:
On February 13 2012 12:52 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On February 13 2012 12:34 Warpath wrote:
targeting the KT zergs lol


Easy prey, What did you expect? >.<

and kt zergs win against them

Um... No?

KT zergs have a 0% win rate against SKT this season. Going back further, in the last 5 KT vs. SKT matches, KT zergs have won only 2 out of 13 games.

HoeJJa clutch playoff wins <3
:)
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
February 13 2012 08:53 GMT
#28
On February 13 2012 17:28 Elroi wrote:
CJ played really retardedly that game imo. Effort threw it all away when he continued with the hydras after having won the first big engagement - very frustrating to watch. Horang2 microed really really badly during his 3-gate push. And I don't understand why Movie didn't add one more canon when he saw all the hydras well in advance. Only one more canon would have saved him I think.

It looked like CJ didn't want to win.


I've nothing to say about Horang2, he microed terribly.

But movie didn't saw the cannons nearly early enough. None of his building cannons managed to warped in on time (they started to finish warping in AFTER the Hydras broke the choke + the Reaver. What he could have done was pulling probe to shield for his Reaver earlier, but even that might or might not have helped, and i'm inclined to think it's the latter.

Effort was never really in a position to switch his army composition after his "win", as BeSt was constantly massing army, threatening to roll over Effort with the P ball should he let up on army production at all. Let's look at EffOrt's options:

- Hive: Takes forever to tech to. BeSt would have beaten him before any meaningful Hive upgrades kicked in. (He did win the next engagement despite EffOrt spending all his resources on his army, that would have happened even earlier and more surely had EffOrt decided to tech to Hive).

- Lurk/Ling composition: BeSt was fairly Goon heavy. And it wouldn't make sense for EffOrt to switch to Lurker given the situation (BeSt later doesn't build as much Goons anymore, but EffOrt doesn't possess clairvoyance). EffOrt's gameplan also revolved around Hydras, which leave his Lings completely unupgraded.. It would take quite a while to upgrade his lings (speed + weap/armor), and Lings themselves don't really fair better vs BeSt composition (Toss Gateway army), esp when there's no crack.

- Mutalisk: EffOrt's third is a mineral-only, so he's short on Gas (being on only 3 Gas).. He can't liberally pump Muta (that control grp of Muta probably drained most of his Gas already), else he ll have to resort to spending the rest of his Larvae on Lings, which isn't the best choice given his situation back then.

All in all, i think that EffOrt planned to end the game early, taking the in-base third so that he doesn't have to spend resources defending that third (usually at another main's Natural), and channeling that resources into army instead. When he failed to deal dmg/capitalise on this early advantage, i think he was on the backfoot.. Brilliant storm dodging for a good part of the game couldn't save him, since BeSt too played pretty well.
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
February 13 2012 09:07 GMT
#29
On February 13 2012 17:28 Elroi wrote:
CJ played really retardedly that game imo. Effort threw it all away when he continued with the hydras after having won the first big engagement - very frustrating to watch. Horang2 microed really really badly during his 3-gate push. And I don't understand why Movie didn't add one more canon when he saw all the hydras well in advance. Only one more canon would have saved him I think.

It looked like CJ didn't want to win.


Yeah I agree with this. It was terrible to watch. I feel sorry for leta, he had such a great game and couldn't talk about it in an interview.
Translator
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
February 13 2012 11:57 GMT
#30
Thanks for translation, but man, these interviews are so boring and predictable
I want old format back~
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
February 13 2012 13:13 GMT
#31
If KT zergs will be better than SKT zergs, KT will win and vice versa.
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
February 13 2012 13:23 GMT
#32
On February 13 2012 22:13 ne4aJIb wrote:
If KT zergs will be better than SKT zergs, KT will win and vice versa.


Oh, so we will win? Thanks <3
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
February 13 2012 18:05 GMT
#33
On February 13 2012 17:50 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 12:17 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On February 13 2012 12:14 lifeisgood99 wrote:
KTFlash awaits them.

I sincerely hope someone, anyone, beats Flash this season... Such dominance is indecent.


bisu will dw

I think Bisu is the least likely of the big names to beat Flash. Stork has better PvT and still got beat up pretty bad :T

I'm thinking it's gonna have to be a TvT where Flash loses.

Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 14:05 Kiett wrote:
On February 13 2012 13:21 fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi wrote:
On February 13 2012 12:52 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On February 13 2012 12:34 Warpath wrote:
targeting the KT zergs lol


Easy prey, What did you expect? >.<

and kt zergs win against them

Um... No?

KT zergs have a 0% win rate against SKT this season. Going back further, in the last 5 KT vs. SKT matches, KT zergs have won only 2 out of 13 games.

HoeJJa clutch playoff wins <3



And Fantasy's weakest MU so far this season has been in TvT -.-....

Ssak I believe!
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 18:20:43
February 13 2012 18:19 GMT
#34
Dont worry guys, hon_sin saves us all !
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
February 13 2012 18:28 GMT
#35
SKT really need to step it up to get that top spot.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 20:21:46
February 13 2012 19:50 GMT
#36
Hope Flash plays Best! Thats always a good matchup.

And thanks for the translations
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
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