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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
August 08 2010 20:06 GMT
#1
With SC2 staying strictly with GOM, and no active progamers switching yet, it looks like we might have a 2010-2011 proleague.

Last year's offseason was fairly tame, with Midas going to WeMade, Kwanro going to Stars, and Jaedong staying on OZ. Let's look at what teams might be trying to accomplish:

KT Rolster: KT's performance in the grand final shows that they have quite a good terran and protoss lineup. However, they might be looking for a Zerg to replace Luxury. I'd guess they'd try to be realistic about it and go for depth instead of star power, getting a 2nd or 3rd tier zerg.

Possible additions: (Z)s2, n.Die_soO, Neo.G_Soulkey, (Z)hyvaa. I'd go with hyvaa personally, since Action is starting to look very strong and eSTRO is a poor team that might want more salary options.

Possible losses: None, as losing Lux hurt them enough.

SKT: Despite the finals loss SKT remains a strong, deep team that now has a strong lineup in all 3 races.

Possible additions: Very unlikely.

Possible losses: One of the zergs, or maybe Boxer if he decides to become a head coach or something, since he no longer plays in even prelims. T_T

MBC: They're a team that's been known to sell top players, and they might need a protoss. I'd guess they're staying put at this time though.

Possible additions: They're going to want a PvT specialist like (P)BeSt or (P)Snow to take out terran aces (meaning Flash), but they won't get one.

Possible losses: Maybe (Z)Saint or even (T)Light. Again, this is a team that's known to sell good players.

STX: They need a terran badly to replace Hwasin. Also, they're not really very good against Zergs.

Possible additions: (T)Light, (T)Mind, (T)Major, (T)BarrackS

Possible losses: I don't think they'll get rid of anyone.

WeMade: These guys have a 5 terran lineup of Baby, Mind, Nada, Major, and Midas. I'd say Baby, Nada, and Midas are safe, even though Nada costs a lot to keep on the roster. Roro is getting decent, but they might need a protoss better than Pure.

Possible additions: None. Everyone's going to keep a tight hold on any semi-decent toss.

Possible losses: (T)Mind or (T)Major, maybe.

CJ: The problem here is that they're a team of snipers. Without coach Cho they'll have less of a chance of getting good matchups, so unless (Z)KIMDONGWOO is really confident in his skill I'd say they go for someone well-rounded.

Possible additions: None. Well-rounded players like Sea, Stats, Violet will all stay on their teams.

Possible losses: Teams will want Snow as a Flash/Sea/Leta/other good terran ace sniper. They won't get him. Teams that lack terrans will want Iris, but I doubt he's going anywhere either.

Stars: They've needed a terran for a while. They still do.

Possible additions: See STX.

Possible losses: Maybe Soulkey. Depends how much potential he really has.

OZ: They badly need a protoss and someone who can play some ace matches instead of Jaedong.

Possible additions: None. They might beg for a young good toss like (P)Snow, (P)Flying, or (P)Stats, but they're paying Jaedong too much I bet.

Possible losses: Won't anyone take (P)PerfectMan? He's Perfect I tell you!

KHAN: Terran needed to replace FBH. Reality, Turn, and Sharp have all failed at becoming good A-team members.

Possible additions/losses: None probably, KHAN rarely makes transactions.

eSTRO: They have a good but inexperienced team. hyvaa might leave to free up salary for rising stars like Action, and especially if 1st overall draft pick hwata doesn't become a total flop.

Possible additions: No way. Poor team with some good young players.

Possible losses: hyvaa maybe. I think protoss-starved teams might go for Flying, but won't get him.

sparkyz: Need replacements for Yarnc/go.go/type-b as well as a good toss.

Possible additions: Unlikely they'll get anyone.

Possible losses: None, they're holding on tight as it is.

ACE: They're getting FBH and Rock! Please let them do ceremonies.

The two transactions I'd be least surprised at are:

(T)Light to STX
(Z)hyvaa to KT

Any thoughts or predictions?
Gnabgib
Profile Joined July 2009
United States381 Posts
August 08 2010 20:20 GMT
#2
Sigh. If only "Free Agency" was truly free agency.......

If a bidding war didn't start over Jaedong last year, there won't ever be one.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
August 08 2010 20:26 GMT
#3
I expect no trades except maybe for a couple B-teamers going to hite, if you expect trades you should be watching sports, not korean e-sports.

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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
August 08 2010 20:28 GMT
#4
On August 09 2010 05:26 r33k wrote:
I expect no trades except maybe for a couple B-teamers going to hite, if you expect trades you should be watching sports, not korean e-sports.


Trades would happen often in Korean E-Sports if the free agency didn't have some of the most retarded rules ive ever seen for a free agency. It pretty much prevents any top tier from being traded because nobody is going to ...what was it 3x the salary for a player to the team that you're getting the player from?

Lol not happening man. The top 3 make over 160.000 dollars a year.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
August 08 2010 20:28 GMT
#5
On August 09 2010 05:26 r33k wrote:
I expect no trades except maybe for a couple B-teamers going to hite, if you expect trades you should be watching sports, not korean e-sports.


There are always a few players bought/sold each year. The biggest ones in recent years have been July's travels from MBC to SKT to STX, and Bisu to SKT.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
August 08 2010 20:29 GMT
#6
i'd quite happily trade stars' entire b-team to hite for leta
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
August 08 2010 20:29 GMT
#7
On August 09 2010 05:28 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 05:26 r33k wrote:
I expect no trades except maybe for a couple B-teamers going to hite, if you expect trades you should be watching sports, not korean e-sports.


Trades would happen often in Korean E-Sports if the free agency didn't have some of the most retarded rules ive ever seen for a free agency. It pretty much prevents any top tier from being traded because nobody is going to ...what was it 3x the salary for a player to the team that you're getting the player from?

Lol not happening man. The top 3 make over 160.000 dollars a year.


Wow Light makes 70 million won. STX/Stars are gonna be seeking out a cheaper terran then.
kineSiS-
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Korea (South)1068 Posts
August 08 2010 20:30 GMT
#8
Lol seriously, Jaedong was the giant contention, and Flash is definitely getting paid too much for anyone to double it. -_- Or jaedong... or Bisu...
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 08 2010 20:35 GMT
#9
On August 09 2010 05:28 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 05:26 r33k wrote:
I expect no trades except maybe for a couple B-teamers going to hite, if you expect trades you should be watching sports, not korean e-sports.


There are always a few players bought/sold each year. The biggest ones in recent years have been July's travels from MBC to SKT to STX, and Bisu to SKT.

most likely he was talking about the free agent period
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Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
August 08 2010 20:47 GMT
#10
Dang, STX with Light would be so stacked. But not enough to beat KT lol. And remember, this is considering there is a Proleague next year since Blizzard said they would get rid of the SC1 progaming by like August/September or something. I really hope not, I loved the proleague and my favorite team, KT Rolster
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
August 08 2010 20:49 GMT
#11
On August 09 2010 05:47 Tazza wrote:
Dang, STX with Light would be so stacked. But not enough to beat KT lol. And remember, this is considering there is a Proleague next year since Blizzard said they would get rid of the SC1 progaming by like August/September or something. I really hope not, I loved the proleague and my favorite team, KT Rolster


STX is a huge company, if they want to get serious they can fork out the money for a good terran. Might not happen though.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
August 08 2010 20:49 GMT
#12
And remember, this is considering there is a Proleague next year since Blizzard said they would get rid of the SC1 progaming by like August/September or something.


What.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8098 Posts
August 08 2010 20:49 GMT
#13
I really hope some trades happen this time around, but since free agency hasnt gotten any less retarded, it doesnt look that way.
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QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
August 08 2010 21:00 GMT
#14
Oh man, I remember last year with the whole "free agency" trading thing with JD. It was thanks to the "free" agency that Midas went to a better use at FOX then a b-teamer in SKT. I really hope we have some good trades and potential players rising up thanks to these trades!

But what SKT really do need is a zerg ace and a secondary terran. I refuse to have Canata is terran #2 of SKT and mong/ssak is too young and ripe to be used. No way he'll be ready to tackle as the main line of SKT terran yet. As for zerg.... obvious reason, we definitely do need someone who's better than Hyuk or S2! (Not worth mentioning Soo, he's need to be gone imo.)
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
August 08 2010 21:01 GMT
#15
Would be nice if KT could pick up Kwanro tbh.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
August 08 2010 21:03 GMT
#16
RoO seemed pretty legit though. Wouldn't be surprised to see him getting more playtime in 10-11 season
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 08 2010 21:13 GMT
#17
If only Zero and free could start winning ACE matches T_T


light to woongjin would be <3
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 08 2010 21:29 GMT
#18
I wish they would pay Jaedong too much
Jaedong
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 21:54:26
August 08 2010 21:32 GMT
#19
SKT did just release quite a few B teamers, so they might be looking to but someone. Probably a fairly strong terran or zerg player to fill their lineup. They need a zerg more, but there's plenty of decent terrans that might join their team considering everyone is a team of terrans these days.
Doubt anyone will have too many changes though. We'll see.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
night terrors
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China1284 Posts
August 08 2010 21:43 GMT
#20
s2 isnt THAT bad. But if the current zerg coach could do wonders (for a while) with the zerg line, imagine what he could do with someone better.
Through high and low, bisu boy, through high and low.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51449 Posts
August 08 2010 21:44 GMT
#21
don't think much will happen except a bunch of b-teamers will be switching to sc2.
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LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
August 08 2010 22:27 GMT
#22
how much was midas getting paid by sk? so you are saying fox paid 3x as much as they did?
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 08 2010 23:22 GMT
#23
On August 09 2010 06:44 GTR wrote:
don't think much will happen except a bunch of b-teamers will be switching to sc2.

hahaha i think all the waived players of T1 will go to SC2
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Sea.JustGod
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
400 Posts
August 08 2010 23:37 GMT
#24
i think SKT needs a zerg and a terran.
Then we would look but less so:

SKT need a zerg as (Z)Killer good in ZvP
and a terran as (T)Iris good in TvZ
wkcalex
Profile Joined August 2010
Uganda29 Posts
August 08 2010 23:38 GMT
#25
I was thinking of KT acquiring Action =/
Sea.JustGod
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
400 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 23:42:16
August 08 2010 23:41 GMT
#26
i like (T)PuMa to Stars changed for (T)PianO to Hite SPARKYZ
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
August 08 2010 23:44 GMT
#27
I doubt SKT is interested in acquiring additional players, considering their massive payroll bill filled with star players and numerous staff members. I personally believe that S2 has great potential (and Hyuk is the next bonjwa, yes, yes we can)

KT may be looking at either Hyvaa or Action...Action to KT sounds very plausible. KT is likely to be in the mood to dish out additional cash, considering how well this season has been for KT.
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 01:49:35
August 09 2010 01:49 GMT
#28
On a related note, is there any word on how the copyright negotiations are going?
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
tarpman
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada718 Posts
August 09 2010 02:00 GMT
#29
On August 09 2010 05:47 Tazza wrote:
And remember, this is considering there is a Proleague next year since Blizzard said they would get rid of the SC1 progaming by like August/September or something.

[citation needed]
Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time.
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
August 09 2010 02:04 GMT
#30
it'd be interesting to see the weaker teams being merged together but it obviously won't happen.

it'd be cool to see that guy that won against effort get signed on.
dani_caliKorea
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
730 Posts
August 09 2010 02:11 GMT
#31
On August 09 2010 08:41 Sea.JustGod wrote:
i like (T)PuMa to Stars changed for (T)PianO to Hite SPARKYZ



...what would be the point of that?
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 09 2010 02:12 GMT
#32
Possible transactions IMO

by.FlaSh from KT Rolster to SK Telecom T1
n.Die_Jaedong from Hwaseung Oz to SK Telecom T1
Stork[gm] from SAMSUNG KHAN to SK Telecom T1

BW nerds from e-Sport stadiums to bottom of Han river


Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
August 09 2010 02:17 GMT
#33
On August 09 2010 11:12 nayumi wrote:
Possible transactions IMO

by.FlaSh from KT Rolster to SK Telecom T1
n.Die_Jaedong from Hwaseung Oz to SK Telecom T1
Stork[gm] from SAMSUNG KHAN to SK Telecom T1

BW nerds from e-Sport stadiums to bottom of Han river



That could happen if SKT's building was made of solid gold bricks.
Jaedong plz
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
August 09 2010 02:25 GMT
#34
On August 09 2010 11:17 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 11:12 nayumi wrote:
Possible transactions IMO

by.FlaSh from KT Rolster to SK Telecom T1
n.Die_Jaedong from Hwaseung Oz to SK Telecom T1
Stork[gm] from SAMSUNG KHAN to SK Telecom T1

BW nerds from e-Sport stadiums to bottom of Han river



That could happen if SKT's building was made of solid gold bricks.
Even if it were possible, who would want that? It would make individual leagues terrible if so many of the later games are just team kills.
Sea.JustGod
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
400 Posts
August 09 2010 02:33 GMT
#35
On August 09 2010 11:11 dani_caliKorea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 08:41 Sea.JustGod wrote:
i like (T)PuMa to Stars changed for (T)PianO to Hite SPARKYZ



...what would be the point of that?


I don't know just i liked
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 09 2010 02:33 GMT
#36
I expect 1 or more teams to put in a bid for Action, given that, according to Milkis' blog, he doesn't even have a contract at the moment.

Is the double/triple salary rule based on current salary, or the bid for their future salary?
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Sea.JustGod
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
400 Posts
August 09 2010 02:34 GMT
#37
On August 09 2010 11:12 nayumi wrote:
Possible transactions IMO

by.FlaSh from KT Rolster to SK Telecom T1
n.Die_Jaedong from Hwaseung Oz to SK Telecom T1
Stork[gm] from SAMSUNG KHAN to SK Telecom T1

BW nerds from e-Sport stadiums to bottom of Han river




OMG! the Dream Team : (T)Flash, (P)Bisu, (Z)Jaedong, (P)Stork!!!!
jgju
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States454 Posts
August 09 2010 02:44 GMT
#38
On August 09 2010 11:12 nayumi wrote:
Possible transactions IMO

by.FlaSh from KT Rolster to SK Telecom T1
n.Die_Jaedong from Hwaseung Oz to SK Telecom T1
Stork[gm] from SAMSUNG KHAN to SK Telecom T1

BW nerds from e-Sport stadiums to bottom of Han river




This is quite possibly the only thing that could ever make me stop watching bw.

also, the idea of light going to STX is pretty awesome, we've been needing a solid terran since Hwasin was indicted.
"For you biting zealots, here's a quote" - Lauryn Hill
night terrors
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China1284 Posts
August 09 2010 03:00 GMT
#39
I rather SKT spend their time anf efforts getting Best's PvZ, Bisu's PvT and Fantasy's (arguably already "good") TvZ up to shape. That and a bit of work on Hyuk and s2 in regards of not-choking and skt will be looking at hitting the finals in three times in a row this season.
Through high and low, bisu boy, through high and low.
catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
August 09 2010 03:01 GMT
#40
Wouldn't be surprized if Soulkey went to KT. I think that makes perfect sense.

SKT needs another Terran badly. With the race rules no longer viable, a solid terran with s2 can back up the FBB lineup. I might root for HyuK, but I think his time is over. I wouldn't be surprized if they tried to trade Hyuk.
Jung! Myung! Hoooooooooooooooooon! #TeamPolt
Cheeseburgered
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States716 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 03:45:52
August 09 2010 03:45 GMT
#41
KT needs a new zerg

Khan has no terrans but they never trade anybody so I don't see them getting anybody new soon

and STX needs a new terran badly, cuteangel isn't gonna cut it
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 09 2010 04:28 GMT
#42
Hyuk is going into FA, so I can see KT grabbing him.

Leta will probably go to OZ or CJ.
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iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
August 09 2010 04:50 GMT
#43
On August 09 2010 13:28 Fionn wrote:
Hyuk is going into FA, so I can see KT grabbing him.

Leta will probably go to OZ or CJ.

why would we want hyuk? Id rather train a rookie.
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bds.soko
Profile Joined June 2010
United States40 Posts
August 09 2010 05:15 GMT
#44
It would be nice if Samsung Khan could get SOMEONE to help Stork out.
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
August 09 2010 05:31 GMT
#45
On August 09 2010 12:45 Cheeseburgered wrote:
KT needs a new zerg

Khan has no terrans but they never trade anybody so I don't see them getting anybody new soon

and STX needs a new terran badly, cuteangel isn't gonna cut it

you just mentioned someone Khan's traded
If you have to ask, you don't know.
luanshuju
Profile Joined May 2010
United States43 Posts
August 09 2010 05:47 GMT
#46
Why does KT need a new zerg? Isn't (Z)YellOw coming back soon?
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 07:02:49
August 09 2010 07:01 GMT
#47
On August 09 2010 14:47 luanshuju wrote:
Why does KT need a new zerg? Isn't (Z)YellOw coming back soon?

awesome
tempest out, reach in
hoejja out, yellow in.
next proleague finals we play with the roster being:
violet - stats - forgg - reach - yellow - flash!


edit: for real:
i think tempest could make a lots of money this fa season.
he isnt on the regular kt rolster roster, and just won in the proleague finals.
on the other hand he is old ofc...
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8024 Posts
August 09 2010 07:39 GMT
#48
I agree with that: KT needs a good zerg (even if Hoejja is decent)
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
August 09 2010 07:44 GMT
#49
KT needs to get Jaedong.

A fanboy can dream, right?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 09 2010 08:00 GMT
#50
On August 09 2010 16:01 Heimatloser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 14:47 luanshuju wrote:
Why does KT need a new zerg? Isn't (Z)YellOw coming back soon?

awesome
tempest out, reach in
hoejja out, yellow in.
next proleague finals we play with the roster being:
violet - stats - forgg - reach - yellow - flash!



edit: for real:
i think tempest could make a lots of money this fa season.
he isnt on the regular kt rolster roster, and just won in the proleague finals.
on the other hand he is old ofc...

Playing the Silver Surfer in a finals? A risky venture indeed.
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