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Belgium6777 Posts
EDIT:
ok here's the whole question, shouldve done this right away lol
Ok so take a look at the periodic table
Our task was to redesign it or use the data in some way to find a creative 'application' of the periodic table.
I'm working together with a friend on this one. We're gonna make 2 versions: One that explains the way atoms are constructed etc. in a very visual and basic way.
The other one, which I'm working on right now, is a version that is intended to be used by experts. So I'm assuming these people know the periodic table and have used it inside and out. The point is to make an interactive application for labcomputers (or just computers in general). Therefor, we chose to make the shape circular. Like this, we're able to show the elements in a very logical order, since they're ordened by the amount of electrons and the orbital on which they are. When the element is selected, the information is displayed in the bars which immediately gives an overview.
The problem is: he started the shape and made it turn a certain way. If you look at the original table and then compare, you'll see that it starts from the inside out and is basically a twisted version of the table. To exclude bias, I wont mention which shape I think is right, I'll just post them:
A:
B:
Poll: A or B?
(Vote): A
(Vote): B
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Hi
I need someone who's quite adept at handling chemistry-information and is familiar with the periodic table
Just reply here and I'll PM
I'll be online for another hour or 3
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So you mean like above AP Chem in highschool 3 years ago type mastery?
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Or currently doing chemistry HL IB?
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Belgium6777 Posts
Well yeah I'd like to have an opinion of someone who's practicing chemistry in something higher than high school right now
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Well can you just post a couple questions to see what level they are so that people who are familiar with those kind of questions can step forward instead of having everybody chim in that they have an x chemistry backround?
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Belgium6777 Posts
actually im just gonna post the question, some pics and let people decided by poll and discussion, best way lol
gimme a minute to upload
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Yeah i think that would be a better idea =)
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I'm taking P-chem right now, so unless it has to do with quantum wavefunctions, I should be around to help. Let's see what type of question we're dealing with.
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im a chemical engineer.. maybe i can help you..
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i'm doing a chem lab if that helps <.<
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Belgium6777 Posts
Updated op!
Also, any and all feedback is appreciated
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I'm a food chemist, maybe I can help you.
Edit: Go with A since clockwise to me is easier for my brain even though B is closer to the original table
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Interesting concepts, though the table is designed in a pretty logical manner already. Though if I had to choose between to two of those, I would prefer prefer A, because it's more natural for me to read in a clockwise direction.
I'd say if you wanted to go for a outward circular design, you could try to create a more space-filling spiral-esque version that corresponds to ground state orbital levels, with each ring being comprised of the elements with their valence electrons in that shell.
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It seems you might get people in here voting on aesthetics rather than function.
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I'd pick A as well, simply because clockwise is easier to read.
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In terms of accuracy, if you're just trying to recreate the table, B is the correct form. Just imagine all the letters in the first column turned upside-down, unravel it in your mind and you'll see it forms the periodic table. In the same fashion, you'll find A is backwards.
However, if accuracy is less important than readability, I would pick A, because it's more natural to read things clockwise than counter-clockwise.
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Honestly I would reverse the orientation of the circle, as in have the heavier elements on the inside rather than the outside. It might be a structural issue, given that the outside 3 rings would be more sparse than the inner 3, but I think it would be easier to go from a standard periodic table to one of that nature. The only issue I can see with this is that you have to turn the piece of paper over and over to compare elements without reading upside down.
As for the expert vs. explanatory one, I think you should stick with this circular shape for the experts, and maybe try a conical shape for the explanatory one. If I am to understand correctly, the explanatory one is supposed to be for like novices right? A cone seems to be interactive because you turn it etc.
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If you don't mind me asking, is this project going to be judged based on creative, artistic, and aesthetic methods, or on finding a form that provides improved functionality for certain applications?
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Belgium6777 Posts
Thanks for the feedback guys, keep it coming.
Keep in mind that this is being made for people who have worked countless hours with the original table already. And that there is a whole different app being made for people who dont know a thing about it.
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Belgium6777 Posts
fana: Well, the reason we put lighter elements on the inside is because this way, it gives the global shape a connection to the atom it represents. So when you've got Mg for example, you'll get it on the 3 circle from the inside, since thats where the reactive electrons on the atom of Mg are too.
And yeah this one is for experts. The explanatory one is going to be something completely different. Nothing shown here yet, still being sketched etc.
plutonium: this is an assignment on information design. im in my 3d year now, so basically everything you summed up will be looked at. Form and function must be symbiotic.
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