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My predictions for GSL S4 Groups

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GreggSauce
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States566 Posts
September 01 2012 12:17 GMT
#1
Had a lot of downtown tonight at work, decided to write a decently long post about this season considering it is nearly the most stacked a season could possibly get. You should expect 1-2 people who don't belong to make it in every season anyway imo.

group A
Seed V Suhosin: Seed
Leenock V Parting: Leenock
Seed V Leenock: Leenock
Suhosin V Parting: Parting
Seed V Parting: Parting

Leenock and Parting Advance

Suhosin doesn't belong in Code S. Seed could beat everyone in this group, but I feel like Leenock can't lose. Seed isn't that strong in PvP and shouldn't be able to beat Parting, but it could happen as it is PvP. Suhosin won't make it out of this group and Leenock should no matter what.

Group B
Symbol V Yoda: Symbol
Ryung V Hero: Hero
Symbol V Hero: Hero
Yoda V Ryung: Ryung
Symbol V Ryung: Symbol

Hero and Symbol Advance

This should be pretty straightforward, Hero isn't that strong in my opinion, but he's strong enough in against these opponents to come out first, even if he drops a set he should advance no matter what. I really like both Yoda and Ryung but Yoda isn't ready and Ryung could've advanced in a slightly easier group. He's Fringe Code S, definitely could make another big splash, just not this season.

Group C
MC v JD: MC
Curious V MKP: MKP
MC V MKP: MKP
JD V Curious: Curious
MC V Curious: MC

MKP and MC Advance

The only reason this could be considered a group of death is because unless something drastic happens Jaedong is dead no matter what. MC crushes most zerg in BoX, its his most stable matchup and always has been. JD Has yet to show he can even play even against protoss. Fanboyism aside JD can't win this. MKP and Curious will be closer but realistically even if MKP does seem shaky at times once he's in the GOM booth you can almost always count on his micro. After that's done you have Curious against JD in another match he can't win, even if ZvZ is violatile. JD doesn't have the experience to beat one of the best ZvZ players in the world on his home turf. The final Match is one that I think could go either way, I give an edge to MC, but I'd rather Curious won it.

Group D
Byun V Rain: Rain
Happy V Genius: Genius
Rain V Genius: Genius
Byun V Happy: Byun
Rain V Byun: Rain

Genius and Rain Advance

Some fanboyism might be present here but hear me out. Rain did do well against MKP although I will admit MKP goofed up in that game. Byun isn't that great in the matchup but his losses generally come from the best players in the world. I don't think Genius can lose his matchs, and happy is terrible in TvT. so that leaves byun V rain as the possible 2nd place. I believe KeSPA will have Rain trained to play perfect games.

Group E
Taeja V Mana: Taeja
MMA V MVP: MVP
Taeja V MVP: MVP
Mana V MMA: Mana
Taeja V Mana: Taeja

MVP and Taeja Advance

This is one where I really really would love to be proven wrong and to see Mana advance but I just don't see how he could win two matches in this group. Maybe if he beat Taeja the first time and faced MVP and managed to outlast his wrists he could? He would have to beat Taeja though. Also I'd love for MMA get get through this but realistically if MVP is close to 100% as he seems like he is, I just can't see it happening. Definitely a group of death though. An upset can happen in each match.

Group F
Naniwa V Heart: Heart
Sniper V Squirtle: Squirtle
Heart V Squirtle: Heart
Naniwa V Sniper: Sniper
Squirtle V Sniper: Squirtle

Heart and Squirtle Advance

It pains me to write this but Naniwa can't advance in this group. He could create a build that was super safe to counter anything cheesy heart throws at him, but I'm certain he'll drop a map, and after that he'll tilt. Even if he does get passed heart He'd have to face squirtle again. Also Naniwa's PvZ has been absolutely horrible, and Sniper has been racking up some respectable wins in the matchup. This is pretty much one of the worst groups for him, a cheesy player, a player that beat his best efforts, and a solid zerg with increasing level of skill. Heart's TvP is very good and he should be able to get out of here with that alone but there is a possibility he loses and faces sniper and loses against him too.

Group G
Nestea V Life: Life
JYP V Supernova: Supernova
Life V Supernova: Life
JYP V Nestea: Nestea
Supernova V Nestea: Nestea

Life and Nestea Advance
I would say 3 of these players could almost make this group of death status, if only JYP wasn't in this group. He isn't that bad, and he can hang in the GSL if he gets good matchups but nowadays no player should have that large of an achilles heel. Much like Naniwa he just can't advance out of this group unless the gods are smiling on him. Life and Nestea can go both ways, but I feel Life has the very slight advantage. In either case both of the zerg players should be able to handle supernova's style, and in either case they should be able to handle JYP as well. I could see Supernova taking a spot, most likely Nestea's.

Group H
DRG V Bomber: Bomber
Polt V Gumiho: Gumiho
Bomber V Gumiho: Bomber
DRG V Polt: DRG
Gumiho V DRG: DRG

Bomber and DRG Advance

This one definitely is a difficult one to figure out, with the best player in the group slumping, and the 3 terran players all on the upswing of their careers (while each one manages to still be pretty inconsistent) pretty much anyone can get out of this group. I want and think Bomber and DRG will advance, Bomber is coming back into his own again, and even a Slumping DRG shouldn't be out of Code S, also he has a great group for himself considering he only has one matchup to practice. I feel like bomber has the highest skill level out of the terran in this group, polt is the most reliable one, and gumiho is trying to find his peak, definitely has the most potential. With that I could see gumiho and bomber advancing instead. A lot of this group hinges on whether or not DRG shows up and plays.



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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
September 01 2012 13:38 GMT
#2
good predictions.
but you underrate Seed, Ryung and Byun in my opinion.
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
September 01 2012 14:13 GMT
#3
On September 01 2012 22:38 Paljas wrote:
good predictions.
but you underrate Seed, Ryung and Byun in my opinion.


I agree with this. I agreed with most of your predictions, but Byun was considered one of the best TvPers just a few months ago. He has an amazing Marine/Tank style and I think that he has a good chance of coming out of the group. Ryung is great as well, and I don't think that anyone should ever count Seed, especially after the last GSL.
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
September 01 2012 15:14 GMT
#4
I agree with your predictions. Apart from Byun.

The guy really is a beast.

Also, watch Seed, not make it out of the group. As you say.
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
September 01 2012 15:40 GMT
#5
Seed has monster PvP. And leenock has lower PvZ than other matchups. I think seed will advance. Also you gotta look out for Yoda, he's royal roader potential.
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Lokk
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada635 Posts
September 01 2012 18:01 GMT
#6
supernova going to win the whole thing....... and no, i think seed and byun are the favourites to advances from their groups
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
September 01 2012 22:12 GMT
#7
Seed>Suhosin
Leenock>Parting
Seed>Leenock
Suhosin<Parting
Leenock>Parting

Seed and Leenock advance

_____________________________


Symbol>Yoda
Ryung>Hero
Symbol<Ryung
Yoda>Hero
Symbol<Yoda

Ryung and Yoda advance

_____________________________


MC>JD
Curious<MKP
MC<MKP
Curious<JD
MC>JD

MKP and MC advance

_____________________________


Byun>Rain
Happy<Genius
Byun>Genius
Rain>Happy
Genius>Happy

Byun and Genius advance

_____________________________


Taeja>Mana
MMA>MVP
Taeja>MMA
Mana<MVP
MMA<MVP

Taeja and MVP advance

_____________________________


Naniwa<Heart
Sniper<Squirtle
Heart<Squirtle
Naniwa<Sniper
Heart<Sniper

Squirtle and Sniper advance

_____________________________


Nestea<Life
JYP<Supernova
Life<Supernova
Nestea<JYP
Life<JYP

Supernova and JYP advance

_____________________________


DRG<Bomber
Polt>Gumiho
Bomber>Polt
DRG<Gumiho
Polt>Gumiho

Bomber and Polt advance
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GreggSauce
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States566 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-02 05:36:13
September 02 2012 05:32 GMT
#8
I agree with almost everyone here about my predictions, byun and seed are the two to watch

Yoda could get out possibly...I guess but he has to do everything perfect and his opponents have to make mistakes.

That's not something I'd pick

The main reason I pick Rain over Byun is because KeSPA didn't just randomly choose a way to pick their guys to go into the GSL. They most likely used statistics that gave them the key players where they wanted them.

byun has been good really good. but his best games are always against people who aren't playing their best. he won't have that luxury against a KeSPA player imo.

Also about the guy who says JYP can get out of his group.

I would eat my foot and everyone elses foot if that could happen.

He has a way way way too weak matchup to make it out of a group. Much like naniwa, only I'd say naniwa has a much higher chance of making it.

Out of everyone I'd say Jaedong and JYP have the least chance of making it through their groups.

Also a big reason I pick Leenock is because he only has to focus on ZvP.

I can't see seed losing to Suhosin, and Leenock won't lose his first match either.
Must not sleep, must warn others
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
September 03 2012 07:00 GMT
#9
On September 02 2012 14:32 GreggSauce wrote:
I agree with almost everyone here about my predictions, byun and seed are the two to watch

Yoda could get out possibly...I guess but he has to do everything perfect and his opponents have to make mistakes.

That's not something I'd pick

The main reason I pick Rain over Byun is because KeSPA didn't just randomly choose a way to pick their guys to go into the GSL. They most likely used statistics that gave them the key players where they wanted them.

byun has been good really good. but his best games are always against people who aren't playing their best. he won't have that luxury against a KeSPA player imo.

Also about the guy who says JYP can get out of his group.

I would eat my foot and everyone elses foot if that could happen.

He has a way way way too weak matchup to make it out of a group. Much like naniwa, only I'd say naniwa has a much higher chance of making it.

Out of everyone I'd say Jaedong and JYP have the least chance of making it through their groups.

Also a big reason I pick Leenock is because he only has to focus on ZvP.

I can't see seed losing to Suhosin, and Leenock won't lose his first match either.


JYP's pvz is easily the best in the world while his pvt is slowly becoming better as of recently, he should kill both life and nestea easily if he plays them, and supernova looks like he will be 1st place, leaving JYP almost guaranteed to advance 2nd.
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