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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24753 Posts
May 21 2009 20:07 GMT
#21
Either the B protoss are projected B protosses, or the C- zergs actually need to be projected.
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Wurzelbrumpft
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany471 Posts
May 21 2009 20:20 GMT
#22
how is it possible. scared of ezpz tvz, but confident versus the epitome of gay
beam me up scotty, this planet suxX
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-21 20:34:48
May 21 2009 20:34 GMT
#23
I never said I was B. :p

I'm C+ overall.

With B-/B TvP and probably C-/Cish TvZ. I would say there's a good 2 rank gap between matchups for me and I find that to be rather crazy.
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-21 20:37:03
May 21 2009 20:36 GMT
#24
On May 22 2009 05:20 Wurzelbrumpft wrote:
how is it possible. scared of ezpz tvz, but confident versus the epitome of gay

tvp is imbalanced man. they got siege tanks and vultures
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
May 21 2009 20:41 GMT
#25
I don't think what he is saying is all that weird. A lot of players tend to be really good and confident in their best m/u. Your worst m/u is always going to feel like it is awful in comparison. While i'm sure he might be over exaggerating his tvz suckiness, pretty much everyone is probably in the same boat as he is unless you are perfect in all m/us
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reachfortherings
Profile Joined January 2009
63 Posts
May 21 2009 21:15 GMT
#26
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R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
May 21 2009 22:15 GMT
#27
I regularly beat B and higher Protoss players yet I struggle and usually get raped by C- zergs. Is this typical to have such a huge skill difference in matchups? I think throughout my competitive playing days I've had exposure to high level protoss players and have had crazy good practice TvP while my TvZ has been non-existent.

answered ur own post...

gj
ggyo...
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
May 21 2009 22:21 GMT
#28
On May 22 2009 07:15 R3condite wrote:
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I regularly beat B and higher Protoss players yet I struggle and usually get raped by C- zergs. Is this typical to have such a huge skill difference in matchups? I think throughout my competitive playing days I've had exposure to high level protoss players and have had crazy good practice TvP while my TvZ has been non-existent.

answered ur own post...

gj
Thx for that insight, added a ton to the thread.

Since I posted this I've played like 8 games on ladder all vs Protoss. I wish more ppl played zerg.
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
May 21 2009 22:35 GMT
#29
I can very well understand that, although I'm playing on a lower level. I've beaten really strong Zergs and I feel very confident in TvZ, but my TvP is just a joke. It's all about how much you play each MU, trust me. I think I played three times as many TvZs than TvPs, so just go practise.
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armed_
Profile Joined November 2008
Canada443 Posts
May 21 2009 22:36 GMT
#30
IMO there's a huge difference between standard TvZ and TvP(or TvT for that matter), in terms of both mechanics and timing/playstyle. They're possibly the two most dissimilar matchups you can play without actually changing races, so practise in one doesn't really help the other much. I offrace TvZ and can beat C level zergs(on occasion lol), but my TvP and TvT are low D at best.
Aqo[il]
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Israel183 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-21 22:54:37
May 21 2009 22:54 GMT
#31
^ while TvZ and TvP is like two entirely different games with one race, but FEbio/mech/wraith/1base openings and ZvT is like playing several entirely different games in /one matchup/. Zs take so much shit today so you'd expect the Z level to go up, practice your TvZ more to keep up, no other option.
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
May 21 2009 23:26 GMT
#32
combine your tvp with kawaii tvz
lol
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meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
May 21 2009 23:54 GMT
#33
Whatever you do... don't start playing mech in tvz! Mech terran vs zerg; the stuff of ultimate faggotry.

You should really try to off-race though, like someone said already. I started playing zerg every once in a while against terrans, and I really got a better grasp of how the matchup works.
An ugly planet. A bug planet.
SoulMarine
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States586 Posts
May 22 2009 00:18 GMT
#34
You must know your enemy before you may confront them.

Play Zerg versus Terran.

And please
.. don't mech.
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
May 22 2009 01:02 GMT
#35
On May 22 2009 06:15 reachfortherings wrote:
I think the problem here is that you think ur playing B or higher tosses, but they are actually lower.

If you play a toss who's really B or higher iccup, you wont stand much chance

- someone who's played you many many games on east a while back and had about literally 95% winrate vs you with all three races (well who knows i might be wrong and u improved hell alot)


Oystein confirmed that his TvP is good.
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Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
May 22 2009 01:49 GMT
#36
Chobo korean zergs make me shiver when I play them. Foreign zergs are just lol
reachfortherings
Profile Joined January 2009
63 Posts
May 22 2009 02:24 GMT
#37
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-22 06:15:57
May 22 2009 06:13 GMT
#38
On May 22 2009 11:24 reachfortherings wrote:
I dont understand. If his tvp is really that good, how is he still a C with mediocre win percentage (his tvp win percentage just as bad..)
70% win rate is mediocre? :O

I just don't ladder enough on 1 account to really gauge myself. I don't hit my wall till C+ and usually run around 70% win rate till I get there.

Do I know you as any other aka's on iccup or east? Since you seem to be so deeply interested in me....

My point with this post was my TvP is much much better than my TvZ and if anyone else experiences this. I'm didn't try to say I'm a great player. I am not a great player, I'm very average.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
May 22 2009 07:23 GMT
#39
On May 22 2009 10:02 iCCup.d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2009 06:15 reachfortherings wrote:
I think the problem here is that you think ur playing B or higher tosses, but they are actually lower.

If you play a toss who's really B or higher iccup, you wont stand much chance

- someone who's played you many many games on east a while back and had about literally 95% winrate vs you with all three races (well who knows i might be wrong and u improved hell alot)


Oystein confirmed that his TvP is good.


I haven't kept up with the scene for a long time but im assuming Oystein is good?
Never Knows Best.
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
May 22 2009 07:42 GMT
#40
While the discrepancy is abnormally big, it's understandable. TvP revolves around timing and positioning while TvZ is much more dynamic and relies more on mechanics (harder macro, unit control) than well executed pushes.

You just don't play TvZ enough to be good at it. Since you said that you can't even learn "basic timings", yet TvZ's timings are far simpler and clear cut in comparison with TvP's, it just means you haven't even tried to get good at TvZ, and so therefore, since you haven't consciously made an effort to learn it, you'll never be good at it.

My guess is that you're also just not used to the much more difficult mechanics of TvZ since you learned how to play on easier TvP mechanics first. Unfortunately, the qualities that make you a great TvP player don't apply much to TvZ while mechanics help you improve universally.

I'm the opposite. My TvZ is significantly better than my TvP for similar reasons. I have a friend I play with and I play TvZ maybe 70% of the games I play starcraft. As a result, my TvZ is definitely better. However, playing TvZ so much really helped out my mechanics, and that easily transferred to my subpar TvP, which is now acceptable.
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