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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
June 29 2008 05:12 GMT
#1
For example, consider a situation in which a father and son are driving down the road. The car collides with a tree and the father is killed. The boy is rushed to the nearest hospital where he is prepared for emergency surgery. On entering the surgery suite, the surgeon says, "I can't operate on this boy. He's my son."

I was trying to find out what a paradox was and this was an example. There are different "solutions" but the ones that were described was not what I was thinking. I was thinking that the father killed is actually a grandfather and the son is the grandson, and the surgeon is the dad.

Edit: nvm I'm completely off, it said dad and son

geometryb
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1249 Posts
June 29 2008 05:14 GMT
#2
is the surgeon the mom?
or it could be someone else's father. father just being the word for any one's dad
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24670 Posts
June 29 2008 05:16 GMT
#3
I have no idea what you are asking or where trying to ask. Do you simply want help understanding what a paradox is? I don't think that's even remotely a good example...
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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
June 29 2008 05:18 GMT
#4
I think I get the general idea of what a paradox is, do you have any other examples?
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
June 29 2008 05:18 GMT
#5
On June 29 2008 14:16 micronesia wrote:
I have no idea what you are asking or where trying to ask. Do you simply want help understanding what a paradox is? I don't think that's even remotely a good example...

exactly my question
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-29 05:20:49
June 29 2008 05:19 GMT
#6
Example: You must be cruel only to be kind.

edit: and i searched for this one, pretty awesome;

"War is peace."
"Freedom is slavery."
"Ignorance is strength."
(George Orwell, 1984)
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
June 29 2008 05:22 GMT
#7
here's one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem
blabberrrrr
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
June 29 2008 05:26 GMT
#8
that is a bad example of a traditional paradox

i read the wikipedia article though and apparantly there are many varieties of paradox that all fall under that name

i think the best, most simple example for how most people use paradox though is


"This statement is false"

because its a logical loop with no possible solution. if the statement is true, then it cant be true, and if its false then it must be true, but that would mean its false again. ta-da its a paradox.
Writerman what
B1nary
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada1267 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-29 05:33:00
June 29 2008 05:30 GMT
#9
I remember running into a site a while back with a bunch of nice paradoxes. I'll try digging it up again.

Couldn't find it, but here's another decent one:
http://perspicuity.net/paradox/paradox.html
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
June 29 2008 05:32 GMT
#10
On June 29 2008 14:22 blabber wrote:
here's one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem


Why is it goat themed?
UNFUCK YOURSELF
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9617 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-29 05:44:29
June 29 2008 05:41 GMT
#11
neither the ops example nor blabbers link is paradox.

ops example is just a riddle. the surgeon is the mother. a play on sexist thoughts

blabbers is just a probability question that noone understands.(i've actually done three presentations on it, and from the start i thought it was the most well known counter-intuitive probabiltiy question out there, and it seems more and more that i was wrong.)

atrioc got the best description i think. i'll try to put it in words real quick. Best i can think of so far is a statement or argument that cannot have any logical solution, such that the statement or argument when followed through always produces a falsity(contradiction).
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
June 29 2008 06:10 GMT
#12
isn't a paradox just something that goes against what people would usually think the answer is
blabberrrrr
spec. opps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States127 Posts
June 29 2008 06:49 GMT
#13
this is a paradox!

time is the biggest difference that can be made
sigma_x
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia285 Posts
June 29 2008 07:44 GMT
#14
I once did a major work on paradoxes (in poetry form, but really rooted in mathematics). My main reference texts were, "paradoxes from A to Z" by michael clarke, and an expensive green cambridge book which i can't seem to find.

The sorites paradox is a neat little one, "A pile of 10,000 grains is a heap. If we remove a single grain, then it is still a heap. If we remove two grains, it is still a heap. If we remove three grains, it is still a heap... if we continue this line of logic, then 1 grain is a heap".
drug_vict1m
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
844 Posts
June 29 2008 08:31 GMT
#15
On June 29 2008 15:49 spec. opps wrote:
this is a paradox!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHrKzi4R0aQ

that's so sick.i love it.
One must feel chaos within, to give birth to a dancing star.
raiame
Profile Joined December 2007
United States421 Posts
June 29 2008 08:34 GMT
#16
I just wasted an hour on this (well, not wasted, but on http://perspicuity.net/paradox/paradox.html). I don't know whether to love you or to hate you, B1nary. Time to sleep.
FuJi
Profile Joined January 2008
United States104 Posts
June 29 2008 08:53 GMT
#17
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_22#Concept

I believe the idea in this book is a good example of a paradox.

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There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to.
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toopham
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States551 Posts
June 29 2008 09:15 GMT
#18
On June 29 2008 14:22 blabber wrote:
here's one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem


Monty Hall is not a paradox.
it is a probability math problem with a tricky solution.
DIE!!!
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
June 29 2008 09:32 GMT
#19
The surgeon is his mom.
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
June 29 2008 10:17 GMT
#20
your story has very little to do with a paradox


God is said to be allmighty
but
Could God create a stone he couldnt lift ?

-> Paradoxon
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prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
June 29 2008 10:32 GMT
#21
WTF since when is the monty hall problem a paradox?
fuck.
Oh no
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 29 2008 10:39 GMT
#22
On June 29 2008 15:10 blabber wrote:
isn't a paradox just something that goes against what people would usually think the answer is


no thats just counter-intuitive

a paradox breaks itself
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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-29 10:40:56
June 29 2008 10:39 GMT
#23
i suppose it's a paradox in that switching your door choice appears to have no apparent advantage over keeping your original choice


also, some of you guys should check the definition out: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=paradox

1. a statement or proposition that seems self-contradictory or absurd but in reality expresses a possible truth.
2. a self-contradictory and false proposition.
3. any person, thing, or situation exhibiting an apparently contradictory nature.
4. an opinion or statement contrary to commonly accepted opinion.

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MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
June 29 2008 15:09 GMT
#24
HUGE MIDGITS. A starving glutton?
Nak Allstar.
fOrQQ
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Hong Kong321 Posts
June 29 2008 15:28 GMT
#25
Your example is not a paradox, but is based on a preconceived idea that a "surgeon" must be male. The surgeon is his mother =]
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 29 2008 15:36 GMT
#26


^best
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Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4640 Posts
June 29 2008 15:51 GMT
#27
On June 29 2008 18:32 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
The surgeon is his mom.

Your mother!
This neo violence, pure self defiance
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
June 29 2008 16:00 GMT
#28
I've got a good one.
God, Jesus and the Holy spirit are three separate beings, a trinity if you will, and yet they're one.
makey no sensey?
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.MistiK
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Netherlands347 Posts
June 29 2008 18:18 GMT
#29
example:

even though the nature lover had nothing, he had everything he desired.
ydg
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States690 Posts
June 29 2008 19:13 GMT
#30
some of you guys are just listing oxymorons
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11577 Posts
June 29 2008 20:57 GMT
#31
fuck i thought you were talking about the map
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eborp
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States266 Posts
June 30 2008 03:50 GMT
#32
An oxymoron is a contradiction in terms. A paradox is a contradiction in idea.

Paradoxes are usually thought of in terms of logic. Paradoxes usually employ illogical reasoning, such as circular logic or half truths. Throwing two phrases together are not paradoxes.

Good examples of paradoxes are Gabriel's Horn (An object that has infinite surface area but finite volume) and Zeno's paradox (If you only move halfway to your goal with each step form your current location, you will never reach your destination).
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